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Jamven
07-17-2008, 09:33 PM
It's official...



Ever since it was announced in 2006, BioWare's massively multiplayer role-playing game has been shrouded in mystery. Though the Canadian developer opened a satellite studio in Austin, Texas, just to develop it, its cofounders Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk maintained an iron wall of silence. However, Electronic Arts knew enough about the title to help convince the company to buy BioWare/Pandemic for $860 million last year.

Today, as E3 2008 wound down, the fog hanging around BioWare's MMORPG appears to have dissipated. Less than 72 hours after presiding over EA's own press event--where the project was nowhere to be found--CEO John Riccitiello almost casually revealed the MMORPG in question is a sequel of sorts to Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic.

"We've got two of the most compelling MMOs in the industry in development," Riccitiello told Conde Nast Portfolio magazine. "The first title, based on the Warhammer property, will launch soon. And the one that people are dying for us to talk to them about in partnership with Lucas [Arts is] coming out of BioWare, which is, I think, quite possibly the most anticipated game, full stop, for the industry." When contacted by GameSpot, BioWare reps declined to comment further.

BioWare's first Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic game was released in 2003 for the original Xbox and PC, and was named the year's top RPG by GameSpot. An Obsidian Entertainment-developed sequel was released in 2004 and 2005 on the same two respective platforms. Both critically acclaimed games are set several thousand years before the events of the Star Wars films, and cast players as adventurers who eventually become powerful Jedi Knights.

Currently, the Knights of the Old Republic MMORPG is set for release sometime in 2009. Once it launches, it is unclear what will happen to LucasArts' current massively multiplayer title, the Sony Online Entertainment-developed Star Wars Galaxies.

http://e3.gamespot.com/story.html?sid=6194664&tag=latestnews;title;0


No screens or anything atm.

Not too sure how I feel about it.

So, worst kept secret?

Tehan
07-17-2008, 10:05 PM
Bet the first two other people you see upon playing the game will be along the lines of r3v4n and 3><1l3.

But hey, hasn't been a decent sci-fi MMO for yonks, although if memory serves that Stargate one is on the way.

yak
07-17-2008, 10:35 PM
Another game I won't play. Not because it'll be bad (Bioware is win), but because MMO's suck up too much time and money for me to play them.

Iztiak
07-17-2008, 10:37 PM
Finalllly. Another KOTOR.
I'll definitely be getting this.

...Assuming that I get a good computer by then. -_-

Sagita
07-17-2008, 11:17 PM
Well this is one MMO that I would actually love to play. KOTOR is actually one of my two favorites RPGs.

HotIce
07-18-2008, 12:06 AM
Damn, I've beaten both KOTOR's countless times. I do not wish to get a new computer for the sake of one game...then again, theres always Diablo 3 too! Haha looks like I'm getting a new computer.

Cathal
07-18-2008, 12:41 AM
Shit, I was hoping it would be a single-player game. I mostly play games for good plot and MMOs are just just a little bit above sport simulators in plot department.

Iztiak
07-18-2008, 01:18 AM
Eh, they'll probably release a single-player game after this comes out.
I don't think this is an actual sequel to KOTOR, just set in the same universe.

However, I could be wrong.

Edit: Awesome sig HotIce.

Red Aviary
07-18-2008, 01:57 AM
Hopefully they learn from the mistakes of Star Wars: Galaxies.

Durden's Wrath
07-20-2008, 02:19 AM
Also hopefully, BioWare doesn't let Obsidian get within 100 miles of this project. Seeing how they completely fucked up 2 of BioWare's previously awesome games.

Aurion
07-20-2008, 02:27 AM
^Yeah.

Hopefully it dosen't get fucked the way KOTOR 2 did. That was an epic fail.

Taure
07-20-2008, 02:43 AM
Hopefully they learn from the mistakes of Star Wars: Galaxies.

The thing is, all Star Wars MMOs face the same dilemma that Galaxies did. Everyone wants to play a Jedi (or Sith), but if you let them do that, you'll have a world full of Jedis and nothing else.

It'll be interesting to see how KOTR MMO attempts to get around this.

Durden's Wrath
07-20-2008, 03:47 AM
Hopefully it dosen't get fucked the way KOTOR 2 did. That was an epic fail.Absolutely epic. They didn't spend the time they needed to finish off the plot lines. Left many plots completely undone... and the ending of the game was quite possibly the most anticlimactic ending not actually done by Lucas himself.

The thing is, all Star Wars MMOs face the same dilemma that Galaxies did. Everyone wants to play a Jedi (or Sith), but if you let them do that, you'll have a world full of Jedis and nothing else.I actually wanted to be Bounty Hunter... or have a pet class. But I got way too put off by the grinding. That and I hated some of the classes, like Entertainer.. ugh.

Cartoony or not, WoW so far (other than EVE and Earth any Beyond) has been the only MMO so far that hasn't driven me off by the grind.

But I wouldn't worry too much Taure. For a KOTOR MMO, I think you'd have a longer line of people waiting to play a snarky Assassin Droid.

Favorite HK Quote: "Explanation: two per cent probability that the miniature organic is simply looking for trouble and needs to be blasted. That may be wishful thinking on my part, master"

wraith5
07-20-2008, 04:04 AM
Eh, they'll probably release a single-player game after this comes out.
I don't think this is an actual sequel to KOTOR, just set in the same universe.

However, I could be wrong.

Edit: Awesome sig HotIce.

Hopefully you're right. KOTOR is too good as a single-player game for them not to make a third.

Gabrinth
07-20-2008, 04:10 AM
But I wouldn't worry too much Taure. For a KOTOR MMO, I think you'd have a longer line of people waiting to play a snarky Assassin Droid.

Lol, too true, mate.

BTW, I've never played Galaxies, so I was wondering how a party system worked in a Star Wars MMORPG. Is there a healer, tank, damage dealer, and so on like in a normal MMO? If there wasn't in Galaxies, do you think they will change it back to the classic route in the KOTOR MMO. I can't play a game where I can't be healer...

Durden's Wrath
07-20-2008, 04:13 AM
You know what I really want? Tie Fighter 2. LucasArts still hasn't made a game half as good as Tie Fighter yet. And that's considering how much I love KOTOR and Jedi Knight.

yak
07-20-2008, 04:14 AM
Absolutely epic. They didn't spend the time they needed to finish off the plot lines. Left many plots completely undone... and the ending of the game was quite possibly the most anticlimactic ending not actually done by Lucas himself.
that was LucasArts fault iirc. They forced Obsidian to release the game for the Christmas rush before it was ready.

Durden's Wrath
07-20-2008, 04:20 AM
LucasArts did have a hand in it. But Obsidian was partly to blame for taking on such an epic task, and not planning better for it. Reading the developer's comments on the game, it sounded like they did a good bit of fucking about.

And then after the Christmas rush, Obsidian didn't do the right thing and release a patch with the missing content. They just let it go as-is.

Tehan
07-20-2008, 04:24 AM
What's that, Lassie? Timmy's stuck in the well? (http://www.team-gizka.org/)

Durden's Wrath
07-20-2008, 04:29 AM
Shame that's not Obsidian doing the work, but a fan lead project. And doesn't substitute for the actual canon work being so shoddy. Nor Obsidian having the integrity in their work to not leave the game such an incomplete mess.

If Blizzard can support Diablo 2 eight years after its release, I think Obsidian could have supported KOTOR 2, for a few months after its release.

Though I completely don't get the joke being made in the link's tag.

yak
07-20-2008, 06:04 AM
Team Gizka is close to a release (for an unknown value of close).

They're up to version 1.0b11 (http://mantis.team-gizka.org/changelog_page.php). Their public release will be 1.0c1. So, the release date will depend on how many more version iterations they want to do on 1.0b.

Their bug tracker (http://mantis.team-gizka.org/view_all_bug_page.php) shows two major bugs, several trivial ones and about a dozen features (journal entries primarily) that are yet to be dealt with.

It's in private beta so a public one shouldn't be too far away.

Red Aviary
07-20-2008, 06:24 AM
I thought KotOR II was lackluster because they were rushed for the holiday release.

Anubis
07-21-2008, 07:03 AM
Shame that's not Obsidian doing the work, but a fan lead project. And doesn't substitute for the actual canon work being so shoddy. Nor Obsidian having the integrity in their work to not leave the game such an incomplete mess.

If Blizzard can support Diablo 2 eight years after its release, I think Obsidian could have supported KOTOR 2, for a few months after its release.

Though I completely don't get the joke being made in the link's tag.

LucasArts pushed the release in time for Chrismas, even though Obsidian told them it wasn't done. Also, post release Obsidian requested the funds to create a content patch to add in the cut-content, and LA refused.

Everyone always seems to blame Obsidian for KOTOR 2, but it wasn't really their fault at all. LA just rushed the game out for the holidays for more sales, then didn't care about it.

Durden's Wrath
07-21-2008, 07:47 AM
Also, post release Obsidian requested the funds to create a content patch to add in the cut-content, and LA refused.
This, I had not heard. That changes things a bit.

Although, I do believe that had Obsidian been a more established company then they could have done a push back on LA. BioWare certainly could have.

LucasArts used to care about quality. It's a shame that is no longer true.

Tehan
07-21-2008, 10:45 PM
I've heard that pretty much everything that was cut still had everything that was planned and what fragments had been done hidden away with the game itself. It makes me wonder whether Obsidian did all they could to make things easier for anyone trying to mod it all back in...

The Dark Lord Squash
07-22-2008, 12:55 AM
So if this is going to be set in the KOTOR universe I wonder when that exact moment will be. I would kind of like it if they made the game a prequel of sorts and let you play in the army led under Reven and fight in the Mandalorian(sp?) wars. Also you have to wonder if it will be KOTORish in that you start normal and become a jedi later on.