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Zed
02-16-2009, 11:49 PM
I basically devoured the first to books, and something comes to mind.

It's been established that, at least among folks out on the frontier/country, Alerans' furies take particular forms and identities. Except metal (of course, few metalcrafters are present in the main cast, but bare with me). This makes some sense, if you consider that unlike air, water, and earth (and fire, if you just want to go with combustion and oxygen in the air as its manifestation), metal isn't exactly abundant. Armor, swords, etc, would be the most readily available metal for a metalcrafter.

Could personal furies be present in the swords, armor, and shields? If so, this could allow a special bond between a metalcrafter and their equipment kind of dynamic.

A second thought just occurred to me. What effects could metalcrafters achieve if they knew that there was iron in their blood?

Tehan
02-17-2009, 12:19 AM
A second thought just occurred to me. What effects could metalcrafters achieve if they knew that there was iron in their blood?

The way I see it, a sword (or anything else made of metal) is born of earth, shaped by fire, fueled by wood and air, and quenched by water - all at the hands of an Aleran, usually a metalcrafter. You could argue that the swords they make are their manifested furies, but even if you don't, you could very, very easily explain why they can't pull a Magneto.

Sree
02-17-2009, 12:31 AM
A point like this was brought up in Avatar: The Last Airbender where they have the ability to control 4 elements -- Air, Water, Fire, and Earth. One of the water benders while she was captured invented a new technique: controlling a persons actions by controlling their blood, which of course is made up of mostly water.

The amount of control the water crafters have in Alera seem to be mostly brute force. Could they not just command the water in the blood of their enemy to stop moving? Or better yet, command all the blood to go out of any small wound.

Then again, it is a fantasy series, and you could said that this won't work against other crafters or someshit like that. In the end it becomes like this: giving them that much power leads to a boring story.

uriel
02-17-2009, 03:07 AM
I vaguely recall something about a Metal Fury being manifested once, and that it was apparently a terrifying sight to see.

That was either a comment by Butcher in his forums in answer to a question about Metal Furies, or maybe it was a passing comment in one of the books when someone asked about Metal Furies. Not very helpful I know, but I'm looking through the books/forums atm to check which one it was :)

Spoiler for the last book below if you haven't read it:

At the end of the latest book, Gauis seems to manifest a Metal Fury, turning his skin to Metal for a fight. It doesn't specifically say that this is Metal Crafting though, just that his skin turns to metal etc

richardl
02-17-2009, 04:07 AM
The amount of control the water crafters have in Alera seem to be mostly brute force. Could they not just command the water in the blood of their enemy to stop moving? Or better yet, command all the blood to go out of any small wound.


I think water-crafters can stuff someone up or kill them with a touch. Can someone, who has read the first book recently, comment? I think it is mentioned in there.

Ragon
02-18-2009, 06:10 AM
I would say when Sextus turns to solid metal before his final battle in Alera Imperia that would count as a metal fury manifest.

Kyle_Dodge1
02-19-2009, 05:49 PM
Controlling people using their blood equals gay. Can earth benders control the minerals in the body? Can Air benders control the gases in a body? Avatar is shitty reference material for what is possible in Alera.

Zed
02-20-2009, 05:20 PM
Yeah, that seems a bit... much.

I was thinking something relating to oxygen use, but (given the general attitude towards more mundane science and engineering) I doubt they would have the knowledge required.

Sree
02-20-2009, 07:09 PM
Controlling people using their blood equals gay. Can earth benders control the minerals in the body? Can Air benders control the gases in a body? Avatar is shitty reference material for what is possible in Alera.

What? You're a retard.

But to answer your questions: Unknown. Even to control the blood the water bender would have to be under the full moon, which enhances their power greatly.

I was using Avatar as an example in answer to the OP's last point about metal in the bloodstream. It was highly relevant.

And as both Alera and Avatar deal with the elements... I wouldn't call it shitty reference material.

Kyle_Dodge1
02-21-2009, 02:22 AM
They both deal with elements, but controlling people with their blood is a shitty idea. That would not transfer over to a Jim Butcher book. If Isana pulled that shit out of her ass, it would only hurt the story by turning a near Mary Sue into a complete Mary Sue.

Sree
02-21-2009, 02:30 AM
-_-

I never said they would transfer over. Do I need to spell it out for you?


A second thought just occurred to me. What effects could metalcrafters achieve if they knew that there was iron in their blood?

I was replying to this thought, citing Avatar and using it as an example. Then I went on to say that this would never work in Alera because giving them that much power would be boring.

Kyle_Dodge1
02-21-2009, 02:38 AM
My bad. Misread.

uriel
02-23-2009, 09:13 PM
Been re-reading the books and I came across this in the first book;

Isana moved silently to the nearest Marat, reached out, and touched his neck, calling to Rill as she did.
The Marat jerked and let out a hoarse scream that wound down into a gurgle, as water frothed from his nose, his mouth.

She wasn't able to kill in this case, but was able to incapacitate him, leaving her with time take care of the other Marat by doing the following...

Her fury came flowing into her, and Isana drew Rill in, even as she sank the nails of her free hand into the Marat’s forearm. Blood welled from the tears in the pale skin, and Isana sent Rill flowing through those rents. and

Isana shuddered and tried to shield herself from the sudden terror and panic in the Marat, but she did not release him from Rill’s grip. The Marat heaved in breaths like a fish out of water, but Isana knew it would do him no good. The fury had stopped the blood in his veins, stopped the beating of his heart.

So yes, it seems you can kill a person through manipulating their blood (in this case watercrafting not metalcrafting), but you need to cut them up, and send your fury into their body.

That being said, against a powerful furycrafter, or even a normal strength crafter, you would probably die before you could kill a person (It took Isana 1 minute to kill the Marat) unless they were .. sleeping or unable to use their own crafting in defense.

Also, being able to manipulate the 2grams or so of Iron in someone's blood? Singular Iron molecules at that.. doesn't seem possible :P

Ragon
02-24-2009, 12:46 PM
Sextus in his prime might have been able too but thats probably about it. Most of the high lords are around Sextus's level in the time of the books. No telling what Sextus was capable of in his prime.