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DrSarcasm
10-15-2010, 01:09 PM
Hey DLP. I've been reading series after series and am ready for something different. After reading 'HP and the Mysterious Curse of the Girl Who Lived' and 'Equal and Opposite', I've become curious about GWL fics.

Problem is, that only a handful have the tag on this site, and of those, I have either read them or, in the case of Holly Evans, are terrible.

Any recommendations?

Sesc
10-15-2010, 01:40 PM
Since you mention Holly Evans, you possibly searched only for Fem!Harry alone. Try this (http://forums.darklordpotter.net/tags.php?tag=harry%2Ffem%21harry), if you haven't yet. That's the most conclusive list I know of -- and don't expect quality any near Amerision's work for the other stories. Equal and Opposite is by far the best story of them all.

And it's a fact that there are very few fem!Harry stories around.

Antonimus
10-15-2010, 01:54 PM
And it's a fact that there are very few fem!Harry stories around.

Which is a damn shame, IMO.

Nuhuh
10-15-2010, 02:12 PM
Yes, far too few. Catharsis was meant to be one, but I ended up taking it in a different direction.

gah! now I want to read more!

Anya
10-15-2010, 02:27 PM
Harriet (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5306121/1/Harriet) by mellowenglishgal (http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1037951/mellowenglishgal)

This one is alright... not really library worthy. There are a few things that make me wince, but it's kind of refreshing. But. It's pretty much just a OC with the same origin as Harry Potter. But I guess that's what most Fem!Harrys are.

Try reading a few chapters before giving it up. It might suprise you. It's updated recently too. It has sixty+ chapters.

And also it combines books four, five, six and probably seven and it's done in a way that actually makes sense.

A warning though, in one of the first chapters it mentions Twilight. It's easy to ignore though and does not influence the plot at all. Just thought I would warn you, since I nearly exited the story after I read it. But I'm glad I didn't, since it's a very entertaining story.

Edit: Another wince worthy thing is all the modernisms, and all the mentions of recent bands. It's annoying but still I can overlook it. Story seems to be set in our time, rather than the ninties.

The author has quite a few Fem!Harry stories. Might do you well to check them out.

wordhammer
10-15-2010, 04:36 PM
Yeah, I'm feelin' the love.

Anyway, there's a few C2's specializing in Girl!Harry
Miss Potter (http://www.fanfiction.net/community/Miss_Potter/19146/)

The Girl Who Lived Archive (http://www.fanfiction.net/community/The_Girl_Who_Lived_Archive/67018/)

(some really long title (http://www.fanfiction.net/community/Nobility_Ladies_Creatures_TimeTravel_and_Dark_Lord s/63891/99/1/1/))

My initial inspiration was Harry Potter and the Girl Who Lived (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4040192/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Girl_Who_Lived) by Agnostics Puppet (http://www.fanfiction.net/u/325962/), who adapted a piece by Silver Aegis.

What you'll find is a lot of Harry-Draco in dresses. Lately there's been an upsurge of Harriet/Cedric, as might be expected. I can't think of a more non-DLP theme that still involves hetero-sex. I think half the attraction of Jeram's effort is that he's writing it for this audience, making every decision a tightrope walk of potential fail.

I'm not sure how DLP would find a Girl!Harry acceptable without a Boy!Harry to provide contrasting machismo or some such. It's a formula that does not solve with these parameters.

(BTW- I don't see Equal and Opposite as Girl!Harry- that was a mirror demon trying to destroy the real Harry.)

Sesc
10-15-2010, 05:33 PM
(BTW- I don't see Equal and Opposite as Girl!Harry- that was a mirror demon trying to destroy the real Harry.)

Yeah, no wonder you're doing it wrong in your story.

b0b3rt
10-15-2010, 05:45 PM
Not sure why you're all ragging on HollyEvans; maybe it's not the best story ever stylistically but at least it's actually interesting.

Anyways I know of only one other long-ish fem!harry story not mentioned here:
A Butterfly Effect (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6008512/1/A_Butterfly_Effect)

It's not exactly DLP friendly, though, as it's mostly H/G.

wordhammer
10-15-2010, 05:58 PM
Not sure why you're all ragging on HollyEvans; maybe it's not the best story ever stylistically but at least it's actually interesting.

Anyways I know of only one other long-ish fem!harry story not mentioned here:
A Butterfly Effect (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6008512/1/A_Butterfly_Effect)

It's not exactly DLP friendly, though, as it's mostly H/G.

Inb4 THAT'S WHY (http://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=15441)

Also, the story above won't suit most in here either. As I said, it's an incompatible formula, like cats and swimming pools.

b0b3rt
10-15-2010, 06:51 PM
Yeah, and here I was thinking DLP liked the kinky shit.

Silens Cursor
10-15-2010, 07:34 PM
Yeah, and here I was thinking DLP liked the kinky shit.

...okay, maybe it's just me, but in my opinion, just because something is kinky or erotic does not give it an excuse to be poorly written and sloppily-plotted. There's a reason why the best smut!fics, the ones that are remembered, are written by good authors. 'Oedipus Flower', 'Alice in Wonderland', 'Harry Fucking Potter', and a few others were written by solid authors and had the benefit of excellent writing. Other stuff (like the massive amount of kink that cloneserpents shovels out) after a while seems tasteless. Even smut gets dry if there's no good writing or characterization to back it up. That's why Silence Game (my venture into smut) took me so long to write, and why Temptation Game is sitting half-finished on my hard drive - these sorts of fics, if you want them to be memorable with the right effect, require a careful hand.

As for 'Equal and Opposite' - well, shit, Amer himself has said he's not satisfied with how the story played out, but it's unquestionably the best fem!Harry story in the genre - a genre, I might add, is pitifully small. Wordhammer, no offence, but I find it hard not to place Holly Evans in the same group I place fics like 'Crack'd Mirror'. There's a fine line between the presence of smut in a fic and being gratuitous regardless of plot - unfortunately, for me, your work tends to cross that line more than I care for. Sorry, bro.

wordhammer
10-15-2010, 08:31 PM
Wordhammer, no offence, but I find it hard not to place Holly Evans in the same group I place fics like 'Crack'd Mirror'. There's a fine line between the presence of smut in a fic and being gratuitous regardless of plot - unfortunately, for me, your work tends to cross that line more than I care for. Sorry, bro.

Thank you for the consideration, but I think your assessment is maybe too kind. Even as a first effort, I'm still barely able to walk as a writer. I have no illusions that I've got a seminal work in the making. I'm just having fun with the challenge I set myself, and learning as I go. The smut keeps me motivated. Cloneserpents' work is 'in my neighborhood', and I give him credit as a more straightforward writer.

I don't believe I've tried to defend my work here since my original eye-opening (and I wasn't trying to defend it earlier in this thread, either). Anytime it's brought up, I cringe first and then forward the link to the Review for fair guidance.

I also think Equal and Opposite is a killer story; all I was suggesting is that it wasn't really Girl!Harry, but even that was caged as opinion. As it is I haven't read it in over a year, so my memory is due a refresh.

So, for the new folks- please don't defend the Spiral Path. Read it or don't. It's not like it's hard to find or easily mistaken for something else.

For everyone else- the thread is about finding Fem!Harry fics- I provided the links for the sake of the search, then warned you of the crap you'll find.
(And the story is in all three of those C2's, if you had any doubt.)


Late EDIT: Looked up Equal and Opposite- I haven't read it at all; I was thinking of a different story entirely. (Pardon our mess...)

Agnostics Puppet
11-04-2010, 12:47 AM
My initial inspiration was Harry Potter and the Girl Who Lived (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4040192/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Girl_Who_Lived) by Agnostics Puppet (http://www.fanfiction.net/u/325962/), who adapted a piece by Silver Aegis.



Really? I have a fan? :awesome

Honestly Im rather... ashamed of that fic. It never turned out the way I wanted it, and I just kind of ended it rather abruptly. Still, it generated a rather large following, so go figure.

Richard
11-04-2010, 01:35 AM
I liked it myself. I preferred yours over Silvers simply because he was too fucking lazy to get a Beta for his horrid spelling mistakes he made in his stories.

NuitTombee
11-04-2010, 01:50 AM
It might not be for everyone but I like Distaff Side (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3894793/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Distaff_Side) by Clell (http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1298529/Clell65619)

Agnostics Puppet: Every time I see your avatar I shudder. Where did you find that?

DarthBill
11-04-2010, 02:53 AM
Agnostics Puppet: Every time I see your avatar I shudder. Where did you find that?

It is from an SMBC comic.

The Fine Balance
11-04-2010, 08:42 AM
Flowers (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1998273/1/Flowers) is a decent fem!Harry. One shot, and clearly shippy, but meh. Expected.

Snarf
11-04-2010, 11:41 AM
The issue with me and Fem!Harry is that they're only doing it for the ship. It changes absolutely nothing critical about the plot besides the strength of his/her mood swings in OotP and who my protagonist is paired with. I'm sure as hell not happy with H/Ron or H/Draco, so who? Cedric Diggory? Bill? That just flips my stomach and don't even get me started on the fem!slash...

Holly Evans and the Spiral Path can suck my fat cock and pretend it's a dildo.

wordhammer
11-04-2010, 12:17 PM
Holly Evans and the Spiral Path can suck my fat cock and pretend it's a dildo.

So... you want my story to petrify your dick and slice it off for you?

After all, (quote from an ex-Dominatrix I know)

The real advantage of a dildo aside from portability is not having to shore up its fragile ego when it goes flaccid. That really cuts into my working hours.

Portus
11-04-2010, 01:09 PM
^ My guess is you're actually paraphrasing the last parting shot of a disappointed ex-gf as she walked out the door.

No offense, of course. I'm sure Blaise hears it all the time. :awesome

Warlocke
11-04-2010, 06:13 PM
Just to provoke a little discussion, what makes a fem!Harry?

In my mind, there are a few different kinds, though they all arguably deserve the title.#1: Harry is born a male, as in canon, but, somewhere along the line, he is transformed into a female on a permanent or semi-permanent basis.
This is what I think of first when I think of fem!Harry, and I tend like this concept the most, since a story using this concept can start anywhere along the canon timeline without affecting what came before it. We know this Harry, how he thinks, and what his upbringing has been like. It also presents some unusual challenges and decisions for Harry as to how he'll handle things from there on out.

Uh, off the top of my head (and don't mistake any of my examples as recommendations)...

Examples: Effects and Side Effects (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4606270/1/) and Snake's Skin (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3691892/1/Snakes_Skin)#2: Harry is born as a female, and events may or may not have gone down as they did in canon.
Obviously this has the potential to change Harry's upbringing, the way he's treated by the Dursleys (they might be more reluctant to abuse a girl, and/or Petunia might actually overlook some of Harry's freakishness in light of the fact she has a girl to fuss over, instead of a male only child and a James Potter clone).

I'd speculate this one is often done by female authors to allow for self insertion/wish fulfillment purposes, without resorting to an OFC (a magnet for Mary-Sue comments), or upstaging the main character (Harry) by promoting Hermione or Ginny through half-assed devices like prophecies that suddenly make one of them more dangerous to Voldemort than Harry, who was fated to fight him since before his birth.

(Yes, ladies, I know there's plenty of male wish fulfillment in the land of fanfic, too, but that should be pretty obvious. In fact, more than a little wish fulfillment probably gets exercised in #1.)

Stories in this category that start well into the series, but leave the reader with zero information as to what, if anything, this gender swap may have changed, from canon, are infuriating. This is usually done due to the author's sheer laziness, and the reader is left to believe that NOTHING changed from canon.

Examples: A story you may or may not have heard of, but I refuse to link to, where the books are retold practically word for fucking word ("What's plagiarism, Precious? It burns us! It freezes!"), except Harry is a girl, and a druid, and spends most of her time being naked and perfect with her naked and perfect friends, and she wears a pornographic dress to the Yule ball and, like, somehow totally gets away with it, and all the other bitches must have been Sooo jealous! Like, for sure! :rolleyes:

An alternate version of this is Harry being born a girl, but placed under some sort of spell that changes 'her' into a boy until wherever in the timeline the fic starts, upon which time she (and everyone else) discovers she was actually a girl all along. This, in essence, is just fem!Harry version #1 in drag (to use a seemingly redundant euphemism).

This one opens up the door for some real dissonance between who Harry sees himself as and who he really is, given that he was really a girl all along, and may lead to him wondering just who the hell he really is and how he feels about that.

Now, Holly Evans and The Spiral Path...
I hesitate to call it an inversion of the "born a girl but disguised as a boy" sub genre, because there seem to be other factors in play, such as how much of her is actually Lily, and the fact that she can pretty much choose whether she wants to be male or female at any given moment and, either through psychosis or virtue of actually being a dual entity (through the aforementioned Lily business), apparently thinks like two separate people, one male and one female.

Holly Evans the story, much like the character herself, is its own beast, and defies categorization.#3: Either canon!Harry travels to an alternate reality, a fem!Harry from an alternate reality travels to the 'canon' reality, or because two or more realities merge. The end result being that at least one Harry of each gender ends up in the same reality.
In some ways, this combines #1 and #2. The POV is usually dominated by the male (that is, canon) Harry we all know, while a Harry that was born a girl is added to the supporting cast. A story like this may (Across the Mirror (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2897828/1/bAcross_b_the_bMirror_b)) or may not (Who cares about those ones, though, right? Lulz.) end up containing a Harry/fem!Harry pairing.

Examples: The aforementioned Across the Mirror (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2897828/1/bAcross_b_the_bMirror_b), Harry Potter and the Distaff Side (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3894793/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Distaff_Side), and Harry Potter & The Girl Who Lived (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2828761/1/Harry_Potter_The_Girl_Who_Lived) (the original... *shudder*)#4: Harry is canon!Harry, but either through Harry's own actions, or through Dumbledore's/The Ministry's meddling (usually in an attempt to create a backup Boy-Who-Lived), a fem!Harry is created (with the fact that it's female usually being an accident or a limitation/flaw of the creation process).
Examples: An Army of One (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4961139/1/)

Warning, near-pointless blather about my unposted horseshit ahead...
With one exception, listed above, I have only seen examples of this last one in my own twisted writings, with Harry being the (directly or indirectly) responsible party in at least two stories, and Albus or the Ministry each being responsible, respectively, in various other plotbunnies.

Of those first two stories, the first one is 82,954 words so far and, amazingly, doesn't have a H/fem!H pairing, and doesn't dwell too long or too often on the fem!Harry character's existence, with any continuations of the story -9,190 words- or AU offshoots -6,936 words- of the plot contained in other files. The second story is a crossover currently at 28,257 words and -probably- eventually H/fem!H/Hr.

In at least one of the plotbunnies where the Ministry is the guilty party, it would probably be more accurate to refer to the fem!Harry(s) as Harry's daughter(s) than direct clones, considering how the Ministry made them...

For comparison, I've also written an example of #1 that is currently at 39,303 words, no examples of #2, and various takes on #3, with the largest being an underwhelming 7,473 words.

I can't really say the wordcounts are equivalent to my interest in each sub-genre since, for instance, the 80k+ story doesn't actually revolve around the fem!Harry aspect, while the 7k+ one does, very much so.I've always liked statistics.

If I had to guess, I'd say most fanfic out there (in the fem!Harry genre) falls into category #2, and that most of category #1 is devoted to weak and improbable attempts at making Drarry pairings more plausible.

Blazzano
11-04-2010, 11:56 PM
Examples: A story you may or may not have heard of, but I refuse to link to, where the books are retold practically word for fucking word ("What's plagiarism, Precious? It burns us! It freezes!"), except Harry is a girl, and a druid, and spends most of her time being naked and perfect with her naked and perfect friends, and she wears a pornographic dress to the Yule ball and, like, somehow totally gets away with it, and all the other bitches must have been Sooo jealous! Like, for sure! :rolleyes:



I knew someone would mention Keiran Halcyon's masterpoop eventually. Fem!Harry may be a small genre, but with that story it can proudly lay claim to having produced one of the worst fics in the history of the Harry Potter fandom, as well as its most ridiculous Mary Sue.

I disagree about keeping it unreferenced because some of the summaries of it did amuse somewhat, but for God's sake, don't try reading the actual fic. :facepalm

It has its own TVTropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/TheGirlWhoLived) page, plus this LJ post (http://community.livejournal.com/deleterius/3119013.html). And finally, some of the user comments here (http://www.journalfen.net/community/the_hms_stfu/375730.html), where some dude manages to write a short fic that almost makes the character sympathetic - an astonishing feat, really.

Snarf
11-05-2010, 12:04 AM
So... you want my story to petrify your dick and slice it off for you?

After all, (quote from an ex-Dominatrix I know)

I always look back on intentionally shit talking members when I'm sober again and wonder what the fuck I was thinking.

Drunk moments... :facepalm

I actually kind of liked SP, but from what I remember there was some scenes that made me cringe and add /hate for fem!slash to that and I stopped reading. Maybe I'll try it again.

Warlocke
11-05-2010, 05:18 AM
It has its own TVTropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/TheGirlWhoLived) page, plus this LJ post (http://community.livejournal.com/deleterius/3119013.html). And finally, some of the user comments here (http://www.journalfen.net/community/the_hms_stfu/375730.html)And the corruption spreads!

My love for TV Tropes is probably more than a little self destructive, but I don't care. I save each of its pages I visit, so my folder for it currently has 7,406 files and weighs in at 490mb.

If I could just DL the site as a torrent, I'd do it... but, then again, it's entirely possible that I'm a madman.

And nice MSTing link (if only the people at the HMS STFU weren't a bunch of self important, H/Hr hating cunts who think all fans of the pairing are blindly rabid Harmonians, and hadn't taken the time to proselytize their beliefs in the midst of their MSTing) :awesome; I do so enjoy a good pig roast. I even have a monogrammed skewer for just such an occasion. I'd almost suggest having a section for them here, but then people might accuse DLP members of being mean. :eek:

My favorite moment (disregarding the typo).

I could have chosen not to go after the Philospher’s Stone,

Mervin: No, you couldn’t have—if you had, Halcyon would’ve had to write something original, and we can’t have that, can we?Ouch! Fuckin' bull's-eye!

wordhammer
11-05-2010, 12:48 PM
I always look back on intentionally shit talking members when I'm sober again and wonder what the fuck I was thinking.

Drunk moments... :facepalm

I actually kind of liked SP, but from what I remember there was some scenes that made me cringe and add /hate for fem!slash to that and I stopped reading. Maybe I'll try it again.

Fair enough. [To alcohol! The cause of ... and solution to... all of life's problems! - Homer]

I wouldn't recommend re-trying the story if you're not keen on Fem-slash, as it's a primary trait of the heroine. Don't needlessly torture yourself. I wouldn't push a Drarry on anyone around here for the same reason, even if it were the next 'Razor's Edge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Razor%27s_Edge)'.

Amerision
11-05-2010, 01:38 PM
Not to plug a story that hasn't been updated for awhile, but The Zealot (http://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=14112&highlight=zealot)is technically a Harry/Fem!Harry story, though that won't happen for awhile. It's also only something like 15k words long, so don't read it if that frustrates you.

I really would like to finish this one at some point, though.

Rin
11-07-2010, 12:52 AM
It might not be for everyone but I like Distaff Side (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3894793/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Distaff_Side) by Clell (http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1298529/Clell65619)

I went ahead and read this one . . . and while I did kind of like it . . . sort of . . . one thing about it bothered me in particular:

The reversal of the gender roles doesn't particularly make sense. I suppose I could understand a world where men are born without any aggressiveness, and maybe they don't develop the physique we do in our reality - but there needs to be something that causes the reaction mothers in this universe have to their sons' virtue being taken. Perhaps some sort of irreversible imprinting? Although in this world, girls can play fast and loose and dump their babies on some guy - as it is implied heavily - it might make more sense that a guy in that world would imprint onto the girl and would basically be unable to get it up for anyone else or something - even if it wore off after a period of several years - maybe just long enough to ensure that he raised the kids to puberty with that particular girl - but the girl does not similarly imprint upon the guy.

But the author doesn't do this. They have all the same biology we do but none of the consequences. This Amazonian world is only such because of purely cultural reasons that have no basis in biology. Also, the author presents this as a world-issue, not a magical issue: Hermione's parents are similarly affected in this world by the same reversal of gender roles.

Stuff like this irks me because although the idea is interesting, it shows a lack of in-depth though about not only the consequences, but what brought about this system in the first place - which might have other consequences that would also make sense in that context. Furthermore, because no thought went into it, the biology of our world makes the cultural norms of their world make no sense whatsoever. There's a reason Amazonian societies are extremely rare in our world . . .

DarthBill
11-07-2010, 01:08 AM
I asked Clell about that, and his response was to stop questioning and enjoy it.

I choose to believe that this universe is connected to a lot of other universes (like in The One) and that this one is the only one that is gender-flipped. So the souls of the girls are dominant because they are accustomed to being male, and thus dominant.

Rin
11-07-2010, 04:25 AM
I asked Clell about that, and his response was to stop questioning and enjoy it.

I choose to believe that this universe is connected to a lot of other universes (like in The One) and that this one is the only one that is gender-flipped. So the souls of the girls are dominant because they are accustomed to being male, and thus dominant.

This was a story that I only liked, sort of. It was teetering on the edge of the precipice, and a response like that from the author just made it fall over the edge.

KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!
04-18-2011, 03:09 AM
I've been here for about a month and decided to join officially basically so I could comment on this... even though it probably doesn't need to be bumped.

I'm intensely intrigued by the possibilities of reversing gender roles in the Potterverse and thus, I've basically read every story in the Miss Potter community. In my perusal, I've not found a single author that's managed to create a really gripping story... and that's probably because it can't be done.

In descending quality, here are the ones that I've found qualify as substantial stories with real plot that aren't cross-overs with naruto, twilight, or some other fucking nonsense: 'Equal and Opposite,' 'A Butterfly Effect', 'Phoenix Tears', 'Harriet', 'Holly Evans', and 'Lady Malfoy'.

But there are problems with all of them. 'Equal and Opposite' is badass, well-written, clever, and engaging; typical DLP material, but it doesn't actually fit the niche of reversing the gender-roles. 'A Butterfly Effect' is shockingly well-written and stylishly dark, but the thick coating of H/G fluff is unbearable to read and I had to stop halfway through. The femharry in this story is a rather interesting character, but Ginny is still an obnoxious little fangirl due to the author's obsessive loyalty to canon. "Phoenix Tears" is an interesting premise, but it's a poorly written tale about a mary-sue... and that always ruins a story. 'Harriet' is a full on genderbender of the trio... and that's all I'll say about that. 'Holly Evans' has gotten a lot of beef on this site. Some of it is deserved, but some of it isn't. Sure, the diary format is awful, the smut is overly intense, and the characters are contrived... but the plot is at least original, if a bit boring and nonsensical. 'Lady Malfoy' is a non-magic AU story that has a semblance of quality plot, but quickly falls short of the mark due to excess clichéd romance about a quarter of the way through.

I suppose my point is that if the "best of the best" femharry stories fall short of the mark, maybe Harry just isn't meant to be Rule 63'd. Turning Harry into a girl stretches the believability of balanced archetypal character relationships. Not to mention that the het romances make everything feel slashy.

T3t
04-18-2011, 03:48 AM
You... sorta have a point. Neverthless, I feel a fem!harry can be done properly - I think the reason so many authors fail is that they try to make fem!harry act exactly like Harry, which doesn't work because she's a female and he's a male. Modifying her character traits to at least a medium degree would lend a degree of plausibility to the story that so many lack. While I realize all of the one's that you listed do that, they take it to rather extreme degrees. Equal and Opposite features quite literally evil!fem!harry, A Butterfly Effect features a fem!harry with a whole host of psychological problems, Holly Evans features a fem!harry who isn't Harry at all, and I can't claim to have read the rest.

KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!
04-18-2011, 04:08 AM
I think the reason so many authors fail is that they try to make fem!harry act exactly like Harry, which doesn't work because she's a female and he's a male. Modifying her character traits to at least a medium degree would lend a degree of plausibility to the story that so many lack.

Well, here's hoping someone writes one that does exactly that because I'd really like to see it.

T3t
04-18-2011, 05:02 AM
Yeah, me too.

Jormungandr
04-18-2011, 12:15 PM
If one was going to try and stick to the lines of canon when doing a fem!Harry, the closest thing I see would be Ginny wanting to be 'Harriet's' sister or something (like how Ron became Harry's best friend), and Ron be the one with the crush on Harriet.

Hell, Malfoy might even try to hit on Harriet for status/fame, etc.

If they were friends with Hermione, it's likely that they'd be some tension between her and Harriet because of JKR's weird fixation with the canon pairings. (Apparently, Hermione wanted to hump Ron's leg ever since second year).

Then again, it's more likely that the Harriets life/psyche with the Dursleys would of been a lot different, so aside from things shared by Lily's sacrifice/Prophecy (such as the capabillity to 'love' that stops Harry from being a Tom Riddle mkII), she would be a vastly different person to Harry...an OC, really.

wordhammer
04-18-2011, 12:29 PM
If one was going to try and stick to the lines of canon when doing a fem!Harry, the closest thing I see would be Ginny wanting to be 'Harriet's' sister or something (like how Ron became Harry's best friend), and Ron be the one with the crush on Harriet.

Hell, Malfoy might even try to hit on Harriet for status/fame, etc.

If they were friends with Hermione, it's likely that they'd be some tension between her and Harriet because of JKR's weird fixation with the canon pairings. (Apparently, Hermione wanted to hump Ron's leg ever since second year).

Then again, it's more likely that the Harriets life/psyche with the Dursleys would of been a lot different, so aside from things shared by Lily's sacrifice/Prophecy (such as the capabillity to 'love' that stops Harry from being a Tom Riddle mkII), she would be a vastly different person to Harry...an OC, really.

This pretty much describes the interpersonal dynamic in 'A Butterfly Effect', with the exception that Harry and Ginny have a 'thing' for each other beyond friends. Similarly, Luna's been dropped in early to express a confusing catalytic carpet-munching conundrum.

That's what makes it both a good story and intolerable to those who'd rather hear about plot than relationships. Also, it has a healthy dollop of NC-17 level horror and a related expansion of the story between Albus and Gellert.

On a related note, I was considering posting the second phase (non-Journal style) of Holly's story in the Mature Work by Author section, but I'm unsure whether it would get constructive or destructive criticism. Opinions?

KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!
04-18-2011, 12:54 PM
That's what makes it both a good story and intolerable to those who'd rather hear about plot than relationships. Also, it has a healthy dollop of NC-17 level horror and a related expansion of the story between Albus and Gellert.

Exactly. That story comes so close on so many levels to being awesome... but the fluff is suffocating. It just... fell short.

Palindrome
04-18-2011, 01:46 PM
I've never understood the appeal of fem!Harry. It... just seems like a pointless change to me. What difference does being female really make? Why should it make a difference?

Perhaps I simply do not care about relationships enough to enjoy the sub-genre.

T3t
04-18-2011, 02:00 PM
Some guys have a weird fetish... cough

KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!
04-18-2011, 02:05 PM
What difference does being female really make? Why should it make a difference?


A Butterfly Effect actually does do an exceedingly admirable job of explaining it; little changes like the main character's slightly submissive personality and increased intelligence, along with themes stemming from different psychological outcomes of abuse, lead to big changes... hence the title.

Like I said, it's shockingly well-written, but the author goes overboard with relationship detail. It made me want to light myself on fire. :fire: Despite the quality, by the end of the 'second book' I was just like... enough already.

Holly Evans tries to make a similar attempt, but fails miserably. Sorry Wordhammer... :/

The Fine Balance
04-18-2011, 02:13 PM
I've never understood the appeal of fem!Harry. It... just seems like a pointless change to me. What difference does being female really make? Why should it make a difference?

Perhaps I simply do not care about relationships enough to enjoy the sub-genre.

Some guys just want to be girls.

JimmyCranberry
04-18-2011, 02:42 PM
I think Warlocke pretty much hit the nail(s) on the head(s) with his ~words. Sadly, there is an underwhelming level of support for the... approach, shall we say. Add to that the usual situation in fanfiction of 95% shite, 4% smut and 1% substance, and fem!Harry really doesn't have a lot going for it in terms of stories.

I, for one, wish this weren't the case. heck, maybe once I'm done with my current project then I'll see if I can put one together myself.

As an aside,

I was considering posting the second phase (non-Journal style) of Holly's story in the Mature Work by Author section, but I'm unsure whether it would get constructive or destructive criticism. Opinions?

Do it! It can only hurt your feelings, after all.

Oz
04-18-2011, 08:13 PM
I've never understood the appeal of fem!Harry. It... just seems like a pointless change to me. What difference does being female really make? Why should it make a difference?

Perhaps I simply do not care about relationships enough to enjoy the sub-genre.
Because tits.

Amerision
04-18-2011, 09:26 PM
I've never understood the appeal of fem!Harry. It... just seems like a pointless change to me.

Because Harry now has a cooler chick to hook up with.

/maybe that's just me.

T3t
04-18-2011, 09:40 PM
I'm pretty sure a lot of guys fantasize about hooking up with a female version of themselves. Which is why I am surprised by the huge lack of H/H!Fem fics out there. Amerison's is the only good one I know of.

Seratin
04-18-2011, 10:47 PM
I'm pretty sure a lot of guys fantasize about hooking up with a female version of themselves. Which is why I am surprised by the huge lack of H/H!Fem fics out there. Amerison's is the only good one I know of.


I for one can say that I've never once thought about hooking up with a female version of myself. :/

Phantom of the Library
04-18-2011, 11:16 PM
I for one can say that I've never once thought about hooking up with a female version of myself. :/

Sorry, out of thumbs up, but this.

I literally just derped reading that. Pretty sure my hand doesn't count as me wanting to hook up with myself, though.

edit:

Well, shit. I better go hide under a rock or something.

Pfft, that is by far not the weirdest fetish that has been discussed on DLP.

T3t
04-18-2011, 11:16 PM
Well, shit. I better go hide under a rock or something.

Lindsey
04-19-2011, 12:57 AM
Yeah, I never thought about hooking up with a male version of myself. That would be creepy... and one of us would try to kill the other.

I wouldn't mind reading about a fem!Harry, not necessarily because she would be female but because of the changes you could make. If well-written, you could have a completely different world.

I mean just by what she looks like could change everything. If she looks like Lily, Petunia might treat her better, Snape would not hate her... Who knows? I would like to see a Fem!Harry without relationships, or very little romance.

T3t
04-19-2011, 01:48 AM
Or Petunia would murder her in her sleep, you know.

Rin
04-19-2011, 02:26 AM
I wonder if the desire to read Fem!Harry stems from a like of Harry so intense on the part of a straight male that they wish to take that feeling to its logical conclusion. However, being male, and straight, they have to convert Harry into Harriet in order to relieve this feeling, and once they've done so, they can move on to other fics.

I can't help but wonder if this is not also the reason Ranma ½ was as popular as it was for the same reason.

Qilin
04-19-2011, 02:41 AM
I mean just by what she looks like could change everything. If she looks like Lily, Petunia might treat her better, Snape would not hate her... Who knows? I would like to see a Fem!Harry without relationships, or very little romance.

I could see this going the wrong way if 'Harriet' looks too much like Lily. How far would Snape not hating this character go? Apathy? Mentor? Love interest? I'd prefer him to act the same way he does in the books because a surprise Snape/fem!Harry 20 chapters in would be a bit annoying.

One with very little romance would be best; Voldemort is trying to kill this character after all. I doubt he'd be pleased to find out that his plans for killing the little tart were put on hold because she went shopping or to a prom.

Lindsey
04-19-2011, 03:00 AM
I could see this going the wrong way if 'Harriet' looks too much like Lily. How far would Snape not hating this character go? Apathy? Mentor? Love interest? I'd prefer him to act the same way he does in the books because a surprise Snape/fem!Harry 20 chapters in would be a bit annoying.


You are right. This could be bad, but it depends on how the writer plans it. I would love to see a fem!Harry that looks more like Lily but with James' eyes instead. It would be an interesting twist.

Damnit, the more I think about it, the more I want to write/read it. I just have no plot.

Amerision
04-19-2011, 04:11 AM
Before you go on, realize I'm talking about the pairing, not the character.

I believe it is part psychological, part novelty.

When I wrote Equal and Opposite, I thought it was an extremely interesting premise. For the lonely mind obsessed and mired with problems few others could understand... what better then yourself?

Taken to its logical conclusion for a straight male, it culminates in a female version of yourself. In Harry's case, this makes for all sorts of interesting ideas, such as slight differences due to being a girl, dealing with the issues Harry has differently, etc. When it becomes more then just an interesting meeting, to something akin to a relationship (in Equal and Opposite it had elements of addiction, I suppose) you have to take into account the inherent narcissism about it all.

Once you open the door to the idea that Harry(s) is a narcissist chasing something unnatural, suddenly you see all sorts of psychological twists and bends in his character that you can exploit and explore. I've always been a fan of psychological stories, and I found that this was an incredibly appealing way to delve into some seriously nutty but otherwise subtle writing.

Lastly, the fact that the whole thing is based in a magical environment allows you to play with situations like having the exact same wand, their magic interacting in unusual ways, giving it predestination aspects, etc - all sorts of things that are rare in DLP, owing to their heavy presence in shitty H/G soulbond stories.

Also, it's one of the rarest pairings in the fandom, so it's just adding novelty to its already inherent unusualness.

T3t
04-19-2011, 04:32 AM
I've been thinking up ideas for a short story, between 40-80k words, and now I'm thinking that maybe I should have H/Fem!H as part of the plot. For the sake of the fandom, of course.

Oz
04-19-2011, 05:36 AM
I for one can say that I've never once thought about hooking up with a female version of myself. :/
It'd be hard to kiss with two massive chins getting in the way.

Ash
04-19-2011, 06:52 AM
On a related note, I was considering posting the second phase (non-Journal style) of Holly's story in the Mature Work by Author section, but I'm unsure whether it would get constructive or destructive criticism. Opinions?

I definitely think that you should post it. I actually read Holly Evans whenever it's updated.

Because tits.
QFT. I was going to say that, but you beat me to it, dude.

On the subject of fem!Harry, the real problem seems to be that the authors are typically horny dudes who just talk about her massive tits, or teen girls who....talk about her massive tits. I cannot count the times I've read a chapter devoted to Harriet's curvy body, killer outfits, luscious black/red/both hair, porcelain skin, and petite frame. It's like a fucking checklist.

Demons In The Night
04-19-2011, 11:49 AM
Almost all the ones I have read are simply a different vehicle for HP/DM or HP/SS. I guess not all teen girls are into slash, so they simply just change Harry's gender; although, those pairings are still pretty much unreadable.

There are very, very few serious fics that explore fem!Harry that aren't simply pairing fics. Same with fem!Naruto. The idea interests me, in seeing all the ways being a different gender could affect the universe, but unfortunately 99% of these fics are HP/DM or Naruto/Sasuke.

KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!
04-19-2011, 03:59 PM
I cannot count the times I've read a chapter devoted to Harriet's curvy body, killer outfits, luscious black/red/both hair, porcelain skin, and petite frame. It's like a fucking checklist.

Overweight pimply Fem!Harry ftw.

Kensington
04-19-2011, 04:19 PM
Overweight pimply Fem!Harry ftw.

No.

Just because it's a somewhat original twist to an idea doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Amerision
04-19-2011, 04:27 PM
It's really not confined to fanfiction or Fem!Harry. Most writers tends to emphasize physical traits for females while describing behavioral traits for males (or showcasing them with actions that can be used to define them).

It's a general widespread issue and can be seen in published novels as well.

Portus
04-19-2011, 04:58 PM
It's really not confined to fanfiction or Fem!Harry. Most writers tends to emphasize physical traits for females while describing behavioral traits for males (or showcasing them with actions that can be used to define them).

It's a general widespread issue and can be seen in published novels as well.

Dresden Files, anyone?

Sesc
04-19-2011, 05:10 PM
Eh. Well. Isn't that more or less the consequence of a male POV? If you've got a pretty narrow POV, i.e. first person stuff like Dresden, the POV character usually gets defined through his actions; and he will notice the physical traits of female characters, because well, that's natural.

I'd postulate that it'd be reversed or at least noticeably less pronounced if the main POV was female.

KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!
04-19-2011, 10:03 PM
I'd postulate that it'd be reversed or at least noticeably less pronounced if the main POV was female.

No postulation needed. See: Romance novels

T3t
04-19-2011, 10:14 PM
I think it depends on the author's gender, really.

In any case, Sesc, you oughta get off your ass and continue writing Sister, Mine. I'll bribe you with cookies. Promise.

Nerdman3000
05-28-2013, 02:58 PM
My thoughts on the matter are that a good FemHarry fic is possible but hard to do and can only be done by a good author. I like the idea of in an alternate universe, Harry might have been born a girl and am interested to see how this change alters her life from that of canon. I also realize that unless she is a lesbian, femHarry will be attracted to guys, so this I have no problem with as long as femHarry was born a girl and not turned into one. I would definitely read a femHarry fanfic if it was good and well done.