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GrayFox
11-28-2011, 11:44 PM
So I've looked looked through the library, and this part of the forum, so I think I should be allowed to post this request.

I'm looking for any recommended, non-slash, HP xovers with DC or Marvel franchises. But before I go and ask my betters to satisfy one of my cravings I will point out that I have read;
Power of Oa, Terminal Justice, Wizard in Gotham, the 'Two of a kind' series, Harry Isley, Mutant Storm, Beginning a new Path, Balancing realities, that power of Oa redo, HP: Green Lantern, the 'Cats cradle' series, and a few others that haven't emerged from my memory.

If I could make additional requirements they would be: Harry centric, and no slash.

Now if I did miss a story from within the Library, I will own up to that mistake on my end and the mods may shut this thread down. barring that, I do not believe I have broken a DLP rule and would like to request that you view my inquire seriously and not flame me for the obvious superhero kick I am on.

Thank you for taking time out of your schedule to help out your fellow man.

Sincerely,
OriginalGentleman

Mock Moniker
11-29-2011, 07:36 AM
You've almost certainly read this, but you didn't mention it in your post so I'll post it anyways.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4388682/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_World_that_Waits

Jormungandr
11-29-2011, 09:53 AM
So I've looked looked through the library, and this part of the forum, so I think I should be allowed to post this request.

I'm looking for any recommended, non-slash, HP xovers with DC or Marvel franchises. But before I go and ask my betters to satisfy one of my cravings I will point out that I have read;
Power of Oa, Terminal Justice, Wizard in Gotham, the 'Two of a kind' series, Harry Isley, Mutant Storm, Beginning a new Path, Balancing realities, that power of Oa redo, HP: Green Lantern, the 'Cats cradle' series, and a few others that haven't emerged from my memory.

If I could make additional requirements they would be: Harry centric, and no slash.

Now if I did miss a story from within the Library, I will own up to that mistake on my end and the mods may shut this thread down. barring that, I do not believe I have broken a DLP rule and would like to request that you view my inquire seriously and not flame me for the obvious superhero kick I am on.

Thank you for taking time out of your schedule to help out your fellow man.

Sincerely,
OriginalGentleman

I've asked for the same sort of thing, a few weeks back.

Maybe something in the replies of my thread will suit your needs?

https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=20318

Hope this helps.

SilverOtter
11-29-2011, 12:13 PM
https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=20764

This thread is sort of relevant. It's just bouncing ideas for a fanfic back and forth, not an actual fanfic.

Republic
11-29-2011, 01:41 PM
Power of Oa, Terminal Justice, Wizard in Gotham, the 'Two of a kind' series, Harry Isley, Mutant Storm, Beginning a new Path, Balancing realities, that power of Oa redo, HP: Green Lantern, the 'Cats cradle' series, and a few others that haven't emerged from my memory.


You need to post links to these stories man D8

GrayFox
11-29-2011, 04:57 PM
The Boy who Lived and The Last Lantern (Power of Oa redo):http://www.hpfanficarchive.com/stories/viewstory.php?sid=561&chapter=1

Balancing Realities:http://www.hpfanficarchive.com/stories/viewstory.php?sid=538&chapter=1

Beginning a New Path:http://www.hpfanficarchive.com/stories/viewstory.php?sid=412&chapter=1 (Word of warning, does not get into Marvel and DC crossovers until waaaaayyyy later in the story.)

Power of Oa:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4944577/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_bpower_b_of_bOa_b (note I chose the ff.net version because he was really bad at writing smut, this way it isn't there to distract from the story)

Cats Cradle 1:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5939602/1/bCats_b_bCradle_b_1_The_New_Beginning
Cats Cradle 2:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6739996/1/bCats_b_bCradle_b_2_Distortion_of_Truth

Two's a crowd 1:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4467111/1/Twos_a_Crowd_The_Beginning
Two's a crowd 2:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4711224/1/Twos_a_Crowd_The_Blood_Stone

A wizard in Gotham:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7092871/1/A_Wizard_in_Gotham

Harry Isley:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5404599/1/Harry_Isley
Rewrite:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6131975/1/Harry_James_Isley

Mutant Storm:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7404056/1/bMutant_b_bStorm_b

I don't have a direct link to Terminal Justice because it is now hosted on the Yahoo Group Caer Askaban, and linking to files within folders within a yahoo group never works out. Terminal Justice can be found underneath the Make A Wish sequels folder, its is 18 chapters long and supposedly completed >.>

Anyway, that's all I got for now, If I find anymore I will be sure to post them up.

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You've almost certainly read this, but you didn't mention it in your post so I'll post it anyways.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4388682/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_World_that_Waits
I actually Haven't, am reading now, Thanks for sending me a story.

minhoto
11-30-2011, 12:04 AM
I miss the "Two's a Crowd" series. It had such potential, but she hasn't posted anything in an age.

Have you tried Harry Potter and the Invincible TechnoMage (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3933832/1/), Chell's HP/Ironman cross. It's.... ok.

GrayFox
11-30-2011, 12:40 AM
Yeah I have it was...........well I haven't read anything like it since, decided for yourself if that's good or bad.

And I agree with you, Two's a crowd held a lot of promise, but I digress.

Republic
11-30-2011, 08:40 AM
Bah. Garbagge, the lot of them. Most of it was shit, and if it wasn't shit, it was just bad. I suppose I should have expected it.
Two's a Crowd was bad. Bad.

Good premises, horrible execution.

Thaumologist
11-30-2011, 09:18 AM
I've read (so far) Harry Islay (and the redo), Cat's Cradle 1,and A Wizard in Gotham. They all seem to be (what's written) THE SAME STORY!

But some are much better written than others.

CBH
11-30-2011, 11:26 AM
Harry Potter and the Ascension of Ra (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4828132/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Ascension_of_Ra) is a Smallville crossover with glimpses of the DC world staring to appear later on. Just a warning, Harry is overpowered.

The Great Pandemonium
11-30-2011, 11:47 AM
Project M by Water Mage (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4602483/1/Project_M) is pretty awesome even though it's only three chapters long and hasn't been updated in ages. It's a crossover with Ultimate Marvel where Harry becomes the Ultimate version of the Sentry (Or at least I think he's supposed to be the Sentry, hasn't actually been given a superhero name yet).

Jormungandr
11-30-2011, 12:23 PM
Thanks for the links - guess my evening is pretty much toast, now. :)

GrayFox
12-01-2011, 05:04 AM
I've read (so far) Harry Islay (and the redo), Cat's Cradle 1,and A Wizard in Gotham. They all seem to be (what's written) THE SAME STORY!

But some are much better written than others.

yeah, they are the same. But yes the quality varies. However I think the reason they are so alike is that is you do a Harry/Batman crossover where he isn't raised by one of the good guys, you're going to have the same framework.

Raised by villian:check
Thinks of villian as parent:check
hates Batman because he arrests said villian:check
discovers magic on his own and becomes massively OP based on the other rogues:check

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I got some more stories for us:

Bat and Lion:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6822286/1/

Harry Potter Xgene:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4472182/1/

Harry Potter Shadow Knight:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7469238/1/

Harry Potter A brave beginning:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5080119/1/Harry_Potter_A_Brave_Beginning
the sequel:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6731226/1/

A life beyond the hallows: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6854055/1/

Harry Potter X: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6030032/1/

An Xtreme destiny: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7533703/1/

Strange Apprentice: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7328284/1/Strange_Apprentice

That's all I've come across and read since my last post. I haven't removed my eyes with a spork:fire, so they aren't that(stresses word) bad.

chriar
12-01-2011, 06:41 PM
Family by Adrien Skywalker is fairly decent so far. The plot is pretty interesting. It turns out that Harry is the son of The Scarlet Witch and Bruce Banner, and when during the ending of the Planet M arc she wishes for a son.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7231391/1/

GrayFox
12-01-2011, 06:46 PM
For some reason your link didn't work for me, so I will re-link it(Bam http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7231391/1/Family) and will check it out. Thanks for the recommendation.

Jormungandr
12-01-2011, 08:17 PM
So, aside from Power of Oa (and rewrite) and R' Blots mini-fic (chapter 127, Odd Ideas http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2565609/1/Odd_Ideas ) ... anyone know of any more Kara Kent/Zor'el shipped fic's?

Clarification edit: I mean Harry/Kara.

GrayFox
12-01-2011, 08:52 PM
A life beyond the hallows: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6854055/1/

Jormungandr
12-01-2011, 09:02 PM
Fucking awesome - thanks.

Alive and Free
12-01-2011, 09:45 PM
The Boy Who Lived and the Last Lantern (the rewrite of Power of Oa) seems to be heading towards a Harry/Kara ship

The Great Pandemonium
12-01-2011, 09:48 PM
There's Terminal Justice (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CaerAzkaban/files/Mr.%20Black%27s%20further%20adventures/Terminal%20Justice/) which is a crossover with JLU and an authorized sequel to Blot's Make a Wish. Haven't read it in a while but it was awesome.

GrayFox
12-01-2011, 10:23 PM
If it is a rewrite than it will be harry/kara, however I personally feel that the author is spending to much time building non-essential characters. Like the prologue was all about Professor McGonagall. I understand she is his god-mother, but damn did she need a whole chapter.

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There's Terminal Justice (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CaerAzkaban/files/Mr.%20Black%27s%20further%20adventures/Terminal%20Justice/) which is a crossover with JLU and an authorized sequel to Blot's Make a Wish. Haven't read it in a while but it was awesome.
It was very funny, I earned its place in my favorites.

Portus
12-02-2011, 12:25 PM
Strange Apprentice: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7328284/1/Strange_Apprentice

I always dug Dr. Strange, so I decided to give this one a try; that was a mistake. I made it about halfway thru the first chapter, and it read like something I'd have written when I was ten or twelve, which is to say bland and stupid.

Thaumologist
12-02-2011, 12:28 PM
have to say, Terminal Justice is quite easily the best I've seen so far. However, it's a MAW/JLA crossover, so really isn't for everyone.

GrayFox
12-02-2011, 01:05 PM
I agree that Terminal Justice is probably the best out of all my listings, and speaking of Dr. Strange, for some reason I think that thru the life and adventures of Stephen Strange would be the best way to pull of a HP/Marvel cross without it being complete crap.

Stephen Strange is the american version of Dumbledore(Leader of the Light, Hero to the common mage, etc). While Harry is on vacation in magical america(whether by himself, with others, during hogwarts, or after), Harry assists Dr. Strange in a battle against(pulls random villain out of marvelverse) mephisto, because in typical potter fashion, Harry just happened to be standing on the street that he appears in. After the battle, immediately or after some passage of time, Dr. Strange eventually takes harry under his guidance.

During his tenure as an apprentice, they are in a battle with (insert baddie here), and Dr. Strange is killed. Harry s then nominated by magic to be the next Sorcerer Supreme. But since he never finished his training he spends time with other marvel mystic's(Dr. Voodoo, Scarlet Witch) learning. As time passes, Harry comes into his own, and becomes even better than Dr. Strange was. He might have a romance with some other character during this(if the author desires). The whole story comes to an end at the end battle where he defeats/banishes, (insert same baddie that off'd strange) and the world lives happily ever after.

Could make the same story with DC universe just sub in Dr. Fate, Zatanna, and ofcourse (Random DC Baddie).

Edit: Just realized this is basically the plot for Strange Apprentice:facepalm, So feel free to have a good laugh at me, but it could definitely be done better.

Jormungandr
12-02-2011, 05:09 PM
Well fuck - seems that I now ship Harry/Kara.

Thaumologist
12-02-2011, 05:32 PM
A Life Beyond the Hallows seemed to be heading that way too, but then was stopped. Coming up to eight months of silence.

Quite a few of the fics seem to have been started by a challenge/prompt from whitetigerwolf, found here (http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/83467/39568684/1/). Some of his ideas for what to add in are a bit odd (he recommends having teen pregnancies, but it doesn't have to be Harry), but it has spawned several of the already linked pieces.

Jormungandr
12-02-2011, 05:35 PM
Honestly, if I knew more about DC, I would write something...but I pretty much know zilcho about the comic/universe chronology, events, its fifty plus year history, etc, and brushing up on it on just a wiki wouldn't be enough.

Provis
12-02-2011, 05:39 PM
A Life Beyond the Hallows seemed to be heading that way too, but then was stopped. Coming up to eight months of silence.

Quite a few of the fics seem to have been started by a challenge/prompt from whitetigerwolf, found here (http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/83467/39568684/1/). Some of his ideas for what to add in are a bit odd (he recommends having teen pregnancies, but it doesn't have to be Harry), but it has spawned several of the already linked pieces.

That story will never be updated; it is a re-post of another author's story, and zero original content has been added by the new 'author.'

Jormungandr
12-02-2011, 05:51 PM
Who is the original author?

GrayFox
12-02-2011, 06:10 PM
Honestly, if I knew more about DC, I would write something...but I pretty much know zilcho about the comic/universe chronology, events, its fifty plus year history, etc, and brushing up on it on just a wiki wouldn't be enough.

I'm going to say it, it's fanfiction. As long as you don't suddenly make batman superman's long lost twin or something like that, you should be fine. The reason I don't really write is from a lack of original ideas on my part. If you wanted to maybe you could start a story thread here and get ideas and suggestions(and beta's) from our fellow DLP users.
Who is the original author?

I would like this answer aswell.

Thaumologist
12-02-2011, 06:24 PM
Who is the original author?


Rockthecasba (http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2745965/RockTheCasba), but it seems he took the story down when/after it was adopted. So no updates there then.

GrayFox
12-02-2011, 06:27 PM
isn't that a song?

samkar
12-03-2011, 12:08 PM
A Life Beyond the Hallows seemed to be heading that way too, but then was stopped. Coming up to eight months of silence.


I liked that one too and thought it had some potential. Too bad.

GrayFox
12-03-2011, 03:19 PM
just because it hasn't updated, doesn't mean it won't. I've read a few fic where the author dropped of the face of the earth, than 1 1/2 later the fic gets a random update. In-activity doesn't necessarily mean abandoned.

Heather_Sinclair
12-03-2011, 06:09 PM
I'm going to say it, it's fanfiction. As long as you don't suddenly make batman superman's long lost twin or something like that, you should be fine.

I'm going to add to this a little. Marvel, DC, et al have retconned so much in the past that you could come up with something totally original and just name a character Clark Kent, add some superpowers, and have yourself a story worth reading.

Go to Comicvine (http://www.comicvine.com/) or a wiki to briefly research the character for moderate believability and you're ready to go.

You cannot (it's just not possible) be any worse than some of the crap that I've read.

Jormungandr
12-04-2011, 03:02 PM
I'm going to add to this a little. Marvel, DC, et al have retconned so much in the past that you could come up with something totally original and just name a character Clark Kent, add some superpowers, and have yourself a story worth reading.

Go to Comicvine (http://www.comicvine.com/) or a wiki to briefly research the character for moderate believability and you're ready to go.

You cannot (it's just not possible) be any worse than some of the crap that I've read.

So just basic knowledge would suffice, so long as the actual written piece is semi-decent?

Mock Moniker
12-04-2011, 04:50 PM
Definitely, at least for me.
I barely know anything about comics, but I still enjoy reading fics set in the Marvel/DC universes.

GrayFox
12-04-2011, 06:00 PM
Same for me, as long as Superman and Supergirl are weakened by kryptonite, and batman is a moody @$$hole, its all good.

Heather_Sinclair
12-04-2011, 06:19 PM
So just basic knowledge would suffice, so long as the actual written piece is semi-decent?

It all really depends on the character. I'll use Superman for this example.

DC Comics recently retconned the whole universe... again, and called it the New 52. The new retconned Supes wears blue jeans, a short sleeve blue shirt with his S symbol on it, and a red tea cozy as a cape. It's fucking stupid looking as hell.

He's still an alien blah blah blah. He can't fly yet, only jumps and runs, and he hangs fat cat environmental abusers out of their window a hundred stories up until they confess to the crimes. The police have running gun battles with him in the middle of crowded Metroplis streets.

This shit is canon for christ's sake.

Batman, on the other hand is exactly the same as the old.

So, no, you really don't have to know much of anything to write in this universe. Make your own shit up and it will be just as believable as canon... probably more so if there's actually a good plot involved, unlike canon.

syed
12-04-2011, 06:46 PM
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6859254/39/The_Lord_of_Light

Has any one read the epilogue, cool potential story is there? author is stuck with figuring out the story though.

chriar
12-04-2011, 07:48 PM
I would like to point out that while some people dislike the new 52, it achieved what I believe DC set out to do. That is, to give people like me, that have never picked up a comic before in their life, a perfect opportunity to jump into comics. Sadly, now I'm spending about 30 bucks a week on comics, but other than that it was a good thing for me.

GrayFox
12-04-2011, 08:45 PM
tea cozy? and supes hanging people out windows, isn't that batman's thing?

Oruma
12-04-2011, 08:46 PM
Honestly, if I knew more about DC, I would write something...but I pretty much know zilcho about the comic/universe chronology, events, its fifty plus year history, etc, and brushing up on it on just a wiki wouldn't be enough.
An alternative is to use the DC animated universe canon (Batman the animated series, Superman the animated series, justice league/unlimited, batman beyond) as the cross-over setting. The DCAU is much far less continuity-snaring as a whole than the comics.

GrayFox
12-04-2011, 08:49 PM
An alternative is to use the DC animated universe canon (Batman the animated series, Superman the animated series, justice league/unlimited, batman beyond) as the cross-over setting. The DCAU is much far less continuity-snaring as a whole than the comics.

Wouldn't this be true for any graphic novel/comic turned cartoon? X-men, IronMan, SpiderMan, The Fantastic 4, and The Avengers; when compared to there printed origins they are a lot less restrictive. Some episodes for those cartoons are made specifically for the show with no base in the comics.

Oruma
12-04-2011, 09:37 PM
yes, but they'd still have more material to work with than say, the movie canon of said work.

Mock Moniker
12-04-2011, 09:41 PM
So which fics did you find that were good?
I've tried Terminal Justice in the past, but I couldn't really get into it (felt like reading it was pointless, moreso than most fanfics). It wasn't bad, I just got tired of the standard Make A Wish plotline.

I checked out "A life Beyond the Hallows" but I didn't really like it at all. It felt poorly written to me. I remember feeling the same way about some other fics here I read in the past (IIRC, it was "A wizard in Gotham" but I could be wrong).

So yeah, there are a lot of fics here (and as mentioned, many are practically clones of each others): which ones are the best? Is Terminal Justice really the stand-out winner here?

GrayFox
12-05-2011, 12:22 AM
I personally like Harry Isley, even though it isn't finished. There is no reason, I just like it. I think the reason Terminal Justice is so recommended is because, it is just a fun fic. There is no serious plot to it, Harry(Mr. Black) is just having some fun while on vacation.

Mock Moniker
12-05-2011, 08:13 AM
I personally like Harry Isley, even though it isn't finished. There is no reason, I just like it. I think the reason Terminal Justice is so recommended is because, it is just a fun fic. There is no serious plot to it, Harry(Mr. Black) is just having some fun while on vacation.

Yeah, I see where the appeal in Terminal Justice comes from. It's just that I've already read MAW, so the fic felt really repetitive and formulaic, combined with the lack of a plot and I just felt like there wasn't enough reason to keep reading it.

I'll check out Harry Isley. Any other fics that stand out from the crowd?

Thaumologist
12-05-2011, 08:27 AM
Water Mage's is one of the best, but hasn't been updated in a while ( I think he's busy on Awaken Sleeper). Mutant Storm is readable.

Most of them are kinda shit, to be honest.

Jormungandr
12-05-2011, 08:51 AM
(coughs) More Kara.

Mock Moniker
12-05-2011, 09:38 AM
Most of them are kinda shit, to be honest.

This is why I didn't feel like reading through all of them looking for something decent.

But yeah, I read Water Mage's story a long time ago.

Republic
12-05-2011, 10:18 AM
Water Mage's is one of the best, but hasn't been updated in a while ( I think he's busy on Awaken Sleeper).

Needs moar links D8

Thaumologist
12-05-2011, 11:14 AM
Needs moar links D8

here we go...

Project M by Water Mage (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4602483/1/Project_M) is pretty awesome even though it's only three chapters long and hasn't been updated in ages. It's a crossover with Ultimate Marvel where Harry becomes the Ultimate version of the Sentry (Or at least I think he's supposed to be the Sentry, hasn't actually been given a superhero name yet).

GrayFox
12-05-2011, 01:12 PM
Jor's got a fever, and the only way to fix it is more cowbell..........err I mean more Kara.

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Ok so I'm going to link to everything I have read in the past 72hrs that hasn't made me want to scratch out my eyeballs(and maybe some that only drew a small bit of blood):
Bat and Lion (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6822286/1/)
Harry Isley (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5404599/1/)
A Storm in Hogwarts (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2910911/1/)
Harry Potter: The New Phoenix (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5574942/1/)
Protector, Imposter, Angel (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7337541/1/)
Run Away in Gotham (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7046062/1/)
Shadowmage (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7518400/1/)
Teen Titan Potter (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6438157/1/)
Harry Potter and the Invincible TechnoMage (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3933832/1/)
Anthony Stark and The Iron Teen (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7432121/1/)
Family (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7231391/1/)
Harry Stark and the Philosophers Stone (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5968578/1/)
Journey of the IronMage (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7256398/1/)
Harry Potter X (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6030032/1/)
Harry Potter: A Life Beyond the Hallows (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6854055/1/)
Harry Potter: ShadowKnight (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7469238/1/)

Sero Dace
12-05-2011, 01:44 PM
I am too lazy to actually go to Caerazkaban, so I am asking it here: Is Terminal Justice completely finished? I believe the last time I read it through, the ending was a bit iffy with the last chpater being something that could be considered an end, except for the last note: final chapter to be posted.

That said, my own contribution which hasn't been mentioned yet, I think:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6654571/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Iron_Knowledge

(Though it is the fic that Pro guy based 'Anthony Stark and the Iron Teen' on)

My review:

Pretty decent from what I remembered with an awful (though luckily barely mentioned) OC romance, but otherwise a combination of none-too-terrible writing, a nice bit of length and a relatively well working crossover. Definitely one of the best Marvel crossovers.

Thaumologist
12-05-2011, 02:38 PM
Yeah, I don't think TJ is finished completely. There's mention of a chapter to come. Over a year ago.

frodrick
12-05-2011, 02:51 PM
Hellblazer: Hogwarts (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1980013/1/)

Technically Vertigo, and over 5 years gone without an update, but still my standard for comics/HP crossovers.

Water Mage
12-05-2011, 05:04 PM
Terminal Justice is definitely my favorite dc cross. The expanded one shots and whatever really make it a fun read. I'm sure it will be finished one day. Haven't seen a Harry/Kara done better. I'll have to check a few of these stories out.

Warheart
12-05-2011, 05:25 PM
Terminal Justice, while a passable story on its own, fails to capture the essence of both DC and Mr. Black. DC universe is a grim place where even the supposed heroes are flawed and human. Mr. Black is an oblivious but competent wizard who just happened to have a most fearsome reputation.

What he is not, however, is a wizard capable of destroying Darksied and his Furies singlehandedly. Mr. Black is can be far more engaging character than his " band-aid wizard" portrayal in TJ.

Any DC or Marvel crossover should follow the mould of Project M (the definitive marvel cross-over, IMO), where magic is just another superpower with it's strength and weakness. Otherwise the conflict would be onesided and hardly engaging.

GrayFox
12-05-2011, 05:33 PM
Terminal Justice, while a passable story on its own, fails to capture the essence of both DC and Mr. Black. DC universe is a grim place where even the supposed heroes are flawed and human. Mr. Black is an oblivious but competent wizard who just happened to have a most fearsome reputation.

What he is not, however, is a wizard capable of destroying Darksied and his Furies singlehandedly. Mr. Black is can be far more engaging character than his " band-aid wizard" portrayal in TJ.

Any DC or Marvel crossover should follow the mould of Project M (the definitive marvel cross-over, IMO), where magic is just another superpower with it's strength and weakness. Otherwise the conflict would be onesided and hardly engaging.

While you make good points, one's that I'm sure most of us agree on, can you point out a HP/DC cross that is any better than TJ?

Warheart
12-05-2011, 05:45 PM
Nope. All of them are shit.

GrayFox
12-05-2011, 05:54 PM
I rest my case, though I can't help but wonder why there aren't more crosses in the DC and Marvel universes. Both have magic as reoccurring plots, and both have characters who are strictly magical. It isn't too far fetched to think that they would have interactions with the wizarding world at some point.

Alive and Free
12-06-2011, 03:42 AM
I rest my case, though I can't help but wonder why there aren't more crosses in the DC and Marvel universes. Both have magic as reoccurring plots, and both have characters who are strictly magical. It isn't too far fetched to think that they would have interactions with the wizarding world at some point.

I think part of the reason is that people are intimidated by the sheer volume of backstory that comes with working with the comics. They're big, developed worlds in their own right and even if you have a good understanding of them it'd be so easy to screw up.

That said, I'd love to read a superhero!Harry that isn't a crossover. I mean, he's got all the requirements to be a hero - the power, the murdered parents, the desire to help people but not be acknowledged for it.

Thaumologist
12-06-2011, 03:43 AM
One of the major things about JKR's wizarding world is the statute of secrecy. It doesn't matter how it came into play, but performing magic in front of muggles will get you kicked out of the world.

Magical superheros on the other hand, are media whorez. Hell, all superheros appear in mewspapers/the internet on a semi-regular basis. Most often using their powers. Their only worry about secrecy is to ensure their actual identity stays secret (for the most part).

GrayFox
12-06-2011, 03:52 AM
snip

I would like to point out the post further back, where we all told Jor that we didn't care if it was 100% accurate.

One of the major things about JKR's wizarding world is the statute of secrecy. It doesn't matter how it came into play, but performing magic in front of muggles will get you kicked out of the world.

Not to sound stupid, but I thought JKR only built up the British wizarding society. She never mentions the rest of the world.

Oruma
12-06-2011, 04:17 AM
:facepalm
It's called the International Statute of Secrecy, OG.

Alive and Free
12-06-2011, 06:58 AM
@OG - I read that post but I think my original point still stands.

Vesvius
12-06-2011, 10:42 AM
I've been reading this thread for a while and figured it was time to chip in my two cents.

Terminal Justice is probably the best one I've read, in the beginning at least. Right around the midway point and the introductions of Raven and Tim Hunter, it loses it for me. It was a good story that went on too long. Still, I always get a laugh out of "You burned Santa Claus?!".

After that would probably be Invincible Technomage. It's definitly my favorite one marvel x-over, and I do enjoy Clells writing 99% of the time. It also has some hilarious moments and it actually seems to have a plot.

Ascention of Ra was good, but I barely remember it.

I was thinking of my own idea for a HP/Marvel/DC X-Over actually. The plot would be this:

After the war with Voldemort is over, Harry joins the ministry, thinking he can make it better. Rather then getting into the Auror corps like he thought he would, he's immediatly snatched up by the Department of Mysteries. There, they reveal that both the Marvel and DC universes also exist on their planet. And it's one of their jobs to keep the two seperate because INSERT REASON HERE (I'm working on it). Harry, while monitoring, notices a whole lot of people getting hurt because DC superheroes are physically incapable of seeing Marvel Villains, and vice-versa.

So Harry is watching and sees a Sentinel about to nuke a mutant (could be someone important, could be an OC created just for this purpose). He also sees that Booster Gold is in the neighborhood. So Harry tweaks the charm on Booster to let him see the Sentinel. This is discovered, Harry is kicked out of the DoM and the Wizarding World as a whole, and he goes to explore the other two universes.

It has it's flaws, but I think it's workable. Thoughts?

GrayFox
12-06-2011, 12:07 PM
:facepalm
It's called the International Statute of Secrecy, OG.

Which Fudge uses for his own purpose during book 5. Point is, as long as the 'muggles' don't discover the wizarding world, or they think the magic is a mutation, everything should be fine. Oh and international doesn't mean every nation, just more than one. Like IHOP is the 'International' house of pancakes.

Republic
12-06-2011, 02:21 PM
I hate my phone.

I was thinking of my own idea for a HP/Marvel/DC X-Over actually. The plot would be this:



It has it's flaws, but I think it's workable. Thoughts?

No. Just no. You are talking about an immense number of people not able to see each other. Lets ignore the gaping mass of fail that the premise is for a moment, what about the public? Are they affected? Superheroes show up in the media all the time, are DC people somehow unable to see stories about Marvel people?
Lets ignore that too, then. What about those events that are city wide, planet wide, or even universe wide and occur every fifteen minutes?
And what about universe specific cities like Gotham and Metropolis? Marvel heroes dont know they exist?

To sum up, invisiblity is a retarded way to go about your story. My advice is to pick one universe and contain your creativity in that.

Heather_Sinclair
12-06-2011, 02:47 PM
My advice is to pick one universe and contain your creativity in that.

There are one of two ways to create successful crossovers.

1. Use the Alternate Dimension Trope. A Portal, god, ritual gone wrong, or whatever that drops one or two characters into the dimension that you are writing about. But don't use a portal (ala the Veil of Death), because it's overused and very lame. Don't make a big gigantic 10,000 word scene trying to explain it, because it's been done and it never works. Some douchebag has to come along and point out all the ways you broke the laws of physics, or rules of magic, eventually making you look like an idiot.

I've always been a big fan of, "I don't know how I got here, but here I am. So, fuck you, canon-physics-jerk-offs." Just add some burnt clothes and a physically exhausted dimensional traveler with short term memory loss and you have your valid indisputable reason for them to be in the alternate dimension.

2. If possible begin the shared universe in the current one. Ex: Metahumans start popping up in the HP universe. Considering DC's New 52 this is very workable. All the meta-heroes are brand new and the Earth's governments are trying to figure out a way to control them. This also has the advantage of challenging the Statute of Secrecy and ultimately eliminating it without a large amount of hassle.

I'm personally using number 2.

Thaumologist
12-06-2011, 03:02 PM
@Heather:
You posting that in the WbA here, or have you got private betas?

Heather_Sinclair
12-06-2011, 03:21 PM
@Heather:
You posting that in the WbA here...

There was another thread that I spoke about writing a Master of Death!Black Lantern!Harry. I couldn't get past the Godlike!Harry aspect so I dumped it. However, I still wanted to write a Comic crossover and this thread gave me some new ideas -- either a Supergirl or a Wonder Girl cross. Since I'm just starting it, I haven't decided. When I do, I'll post the first chapter on WbA to get general reactions if it should be continued.

GrayFox
12-06-2011, 03:42 PM
I'm glad that a thread I started, just because I was enjoying some guilty pleasure reading, has contributed, in any way, to a story taking place. I wish you the best of luck and shall be sitting in WbA mashing the F5 key until its there.

CrackedMind
12-06-2011, 04:00 PM
hmmm.... I worked on a Marvel/HP crossover years ago. This was before I even knew what DLP was, and my writing back then was more or less crap. I had about three chapters planned out, and a couple of pretty good ideas, if I remember right. And Uatu was in it. :P

Maybe I'll try to finish it when I have time.

Jormungandr
12-06-2011, 04:24 PM
There was another thread that I spoke about writing a Master of Death!Black Lantern!Harry. I couldn't get past the Godlike!Harry aspect so I dumped it. However, I still wanted to write a Comic crossover and this thread gave me some new ideas -- either a Supergirl or a Wonder Girl cross. Since I'm just starting it, I haven't decided. When I do, I'll post the first chapter on WbA to get general reactions if it should be continued.

Go for Supergirl, and this isn't just because I have a newfound love for Harry and Kara.

Supergirl is linked with a lot of the DC universe's heroes through either family (Superman) or friendship/surrogate family (Batman) - using her as a catalyst for Harry's introduction to said world would be smooth and efficient, if the relationship/friendship between her and him isn't forced.

However on the other hand, Wonder Woman/Diana is linked with the Amazons, who are in turn closely linked to the Greek gods/goddesses - getting them to work with what's known about such 'gods' in the Harry Potter universe may be a bit of a pain (such as Circe in both 'universes'), but rewarding in the end, as the resulting story would have deep and rich character interaction.

Either way, it's all golden.

Heather_Sinclair
12-06-2011, 05:25 PM
Supergirl is linked with a lot of the DC universe's heroes through either family (Superman) or friendship/surrogate family (Batman) - using her as a catalyst for Harry's introduction to said world would be smooth and efficient, if the relationship/friendship between her and him isn't forced.

This is true, in old cannon. Something to keep in mind. I'm using the DC's New 52 to introduce Harry into the mix.

Supergirl shows up five years later, after the Justice League is formed, etc. and she doesn't know squat. She can't even speak the language yet in new canon. I can see Harry finding her before Superman comes on the scene and then take it from there. That's one of my ideas.

However on the other hand, Wonder Woman/Diana is linked with the Amazons, who are in turn closely linked to the Greek gods/goddesses - getting them to work with what's known about such 'gods' in the Harry Potter universe may be a bit of a pain (such as Circe in both 'universes'), but rewarding in the end, as the resulting story would have deep and rich character interaction.

Either way, it's all golden.

My other idea was for Wonder Girl. aka Cassie Sandsmark (http://www.comicvine.com/wonder-girl/29-10885/). In the new canon, she's a thief that broke into a Greek archeological dig and stole the magic bracelets, put them on, and *poof* Wonder Girl, with no connection to anyone but herself.

For that one, I was going to alter it a bit and have Harry stepping in as she steals them from an exhibit in London. This way she has that Catwoman vibe. It would be more of an eventual chase to America where they eventually hook up with Robin (who is hunting down all the meta's he can find in the Teen Titans comics before the bad guys do.) there's your connection to Batman and eventually the Justice League if need be.

Either way, I'm still outlining two stories and figuring out which will be better suited to my writing style. I kinda feel a need to bring Sarcastic!Harry out of retirement.

GrayFox
12-06-2011, 06:21 PM
Wonder Girl? Never heard of her, quick too Google (insert classic batman transition). Ah I now I get it, however couldn't you pull old cannon cross by using Selina Kyle(Catwoman) instead? Perhaps she steals a Golden Griffin statue from the London Museum that was originally donated there by (insert OC name here) Potter. So Harry pursues one of the last artifacts of his family to Gotham. Now you have your Batman ref, and if she runs through metropolis you get superman/girl as well. From there it isn't too much of a stretch to get the JLA involved.:sherlock:

Heather_Sinclair
12-06-2011, 07:19 PM
From there it isn't too much of a stretch to get the JLA involved.:sherlock:

LOL, again, (third time, I think) I'm using DC's New 52 as a backdrop for this story. It's a new world, for those not in the know.

Metahumans are just now coming into their powers, some heroes have been around for a while, just in hiding. Batman and his cohorts were only rumors and Supergirl just now came to Earth, totally clueless. So she's in China, not Metropolis.

Catwoman is currently being boned by Batman and reading tentacle porn in Gotham. I shit you not.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u272/viceverza1/Untitled.jpg


This isn't going to be an all-star cast story to see how many superheroes I can cram into a chapter, like Terminal Justice. It's going to have an actual plot to it that from time to time will have a Superhero popping in. If I go with Cassie, then Kara will pop in and probably become a regular. If I go with Kara, Cassie will probably pop in and do the same. But no threesomes... maybe, probably not... I wouldn't do that.

Jormungandr
12-06-2011, 07:28 PM
This is true, in old canon. Something to keep in mind. I'm using the DC's New 52 to introduce Harry into the mix.

Supergirl shows up five years later, after the Justice League is formed, etc. and she doesn't know squat. She can't even speak the language yet in new canon. I can see Harry finding her before Superman comes on the scene and then take it from there. That's one of my ideas.



Just had a look at the Reimagined Marvel continuity...from what I can gather, they're basically pulling a Battlestar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica#Original_series_.281978_and_1 980.29): Galactica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica#2003_reimagining), right? But, several major storylines from the original (late 2000's onwards) are still canon in the new? How does that work out, exactly? Does the 'old' continuity still exist with the new, in some form, even as history? (Did they essentially pull a 'Red Alert'?).


My other idea was for Wonder Girl. aka Cassie Sandsmark (http://www.comicvine.com/wonder-girl/29-10885/). In the new canon, she's a thief that broke into a Greek archeological dig and stole the magic bracelets, put them on, and *poof* Wonder Girl, with no connection to anyone but herself.

For that one, I was going to alter it a bit and have Harry stepping in as she steals them from an exhibit in London. This way she has that Catwoman vibe. It would be more of an eventual chase to America where they eventually hook up with Robin (who is hunting down all the meta's he can find in the Teen Titans comics before the bad guys do.) there's your connection to Batman and eventually the Justice League if need be.

Either way, I'm still outlining two stories and figuring out which will be better suited to my writing style. I kinda feel a need to bring Sarcastic!Harry out of retirement.

The Kara/Harry lover in me says the first, but the more sensible reader votes for the second.

Having Harry discover Kara first would be a good set-up for them to be friends/possibly something more, especially if he's just as confused and dazed as her. (Memory loss, etc).

Them forming a trust and a mutual working relationship, before being found by Superman, could set the grounds for a proper friendship between the two.

Supergirl #1 was one of the New 52, and featured a new origin for Kara. In this new continuity, Kara's ship lands as part of a meteor shower in Smallville, Kansas, but Kara's ship travels through the Earth's crust and Kara emerges in Siberia.

Kara has no memory of the destruction of Krypton, and is believes she is dreaming. Her arrival is tracked by the military, and she is immediately attacked by a group of American soldiers in mech suits. She fights them as her powers suddenly start emerging as the fight goes on, terrifying Kara, who has no idea what is happening. She defeats the soldiers, and then Superman arrives.

Superman tries to convince Kara that he is her cousin but Kara, still believing only 3 days have passed since she last saw baby Kal, accuses him of being an imposter and attacks him.

They fight until Kara throws Superman through the Great Wall Of China. Superman refuses to fight her, as now they will be putting innocents at risk.

When Kara realises how close she's come to hurting innocent people, she also stops fighting. Superman explains Kara is now on Earth, and reveals to her that Krypton has been destroyed.Depending on the age of Harry, if both meet before Clark does Kara, an amnesiac (if adult) or a Harry who doesn't know he's a wizard (pre-11) would most probably just be as terrified as Kara would be with her emerging powers, with his own.

Something traumatic (like Harry using accidental magic, when one of said soldiers makes a grab for him, and somehow accidently and painfully immolating said soldier to death) could also add something interesting to mix, too.

In the end, Clark takes away both his newly awakened cousin, and her 'strange and distrusting' friend, setting up the story.

I think that sort of depends on the age of the newly awakened Kara, though; is she a kid (around nine or something) or in her mid-teens? The wiki (quoted above) wasn't that informative...?

Heather_Sinclair
12-06-2011, 08:09 PM
But, several major storylines from the original (late 2000's onwards) are still canon in the new? How does that work out, exactly? Does the 'old' continuity still exist with the new, in some form, even as history?


Certain issues are the new beginning of the DC universe: Action Comics, Justice League of America, and a couple others. All the rest are something like five years later. I haven't come across any specific dates yet, so I'm guessing it's "sometime in the near future. It's a clusterfuck of confusion at the moment because certain ones didn't change at all: Birds of Prey, Batman, all of the Green Lantern comics, Batwoman, etc. they just tweaked a few things in those.

They just reinvented a few from scratch: Teen Titans, Superboy, Suicide Squad, etc. and began totally new ones: New Guardians, Red Lanterns, Red Hood and the Outlaws, et al.

Aliens are not welcome, even if they're hot and orange with large breasts, like Starfire... WTF? People either love or hate Superman. Law enforcement does not like Superman. Metas are hunted down. Barbra Gordon (Batgirl/Oracle) can inexplicably walk again. Blah blah blah.

At least Batwoman is still an albino lesbian. *whew*

As far as age ranges go: Kara (17) and Cassie (17) in canon DCnU.

I was going to make Harry older, mid-20's Auror and bump up the girls to 18 at least so I won't have any issues with sex if it comes up. I just can't deal with having a Harry Potter that is near useless with magic.

Jormungandr
12-06-2011, 08:52 PM
That'd also mean that Ginny/the rest of the Epilogue crap would have to be dealt with - if you use the canon Harry.

If your Harry had a different time at Hogwarts, eg, a different House, different friends, a different attitude, etc, it'd essentially broaden your creative freedom when it comes to his character, and you could just drop in the text hints/reveals about Harry's time at Hogwarts.

Eg.

Kara ran her fingers through the worn fabric, her fingertrips gently probing the garment's stitching. She found herself oddly mesmerised by the beautiful shades of bronze and silver, and wondered where he acquired it. <- Hints to the reader that Harry was in Ravenclaw, for example. Carmine did this sort of thing in his short one-shot, The Last Dance.

In general, it'd give you a lot more creative freedom, compared to a canon, post-Epilogue Harry.

chriar
12-06-2011, 10:07 PM
Sadly, I think the one series I didn't pick up from the New 52 was Supergirl, so I'm pretty clueless there. On the other hand, I can definitely see Harry being the one to miraculously give Barbara back the use of her legs. I personally think you can go the chaos theory route, with the events in Flashpoint screwing up the continuity of the universe and have that result in either wizarding society from the potterverse or just adding Harry.
I personally hate the idea of the traumatized Harry or the amnesiac Harry. I definitely think it should be post Voldemort and just have Harry taking a vacation running away, or one of the other million ways to get Harry out of the country.

GrayFox
12-07-2011, 12:06 AM
Kara ran her fingers through the worn fabric, her fingertrips gently probing the garment's stitching. She found herself oddly mesmerised by the beautiful shades of blue and bronze, and wondered where he acquired it. <- Hints to the reader that Harry was in Ravenclaw, for example. Carmine did this sort of thing in his short one-shot, The Last Dance.

I like this, but if you are going to have the wizarding world feature heavily in the story, you would need a prologue to bring us up to speed. I don't see flashback backgrounds working, I think I would be a little lost. Now if it is just going to be harry involved with the DC, than the prologue can set us up for the meeting and we can get Harry's past through the odd memento he has kept. That and some nightmares thrown in.

Jormungandr
12-07-2011, 12:53 AM
Not flashbacks per say, but hints in that dialogue that give the reader a rough idea of what happened in Harry's AU Hogwarts years. Really, this would work best if the wizarding world isn't the focus of the current story arc, but if it's a part/small part of it.

Readers have already read the books - they know the basics of Hogwarts, so if Harry mentions that, oh for example he rescued Hermione or Luna from the Chamber as a side comment, a reader can put the facts together quite easily.

It also makes them question Harry's relationships compared to his canon ones; if he rescued Luna, was he friends with her? Did he even interact with Ginny or the Weasleys? Also, it sheds light on this Harry's character - he was friends with a Ravenclaw that early on, a batty one at that. 'Nuff said.

Harry sighed; talking to Clark was just about as easy as talking to Slytherin's Basilisk =or= He wondered how Luna was doing - he'd lost contact with her after graduation, and he always did feel quite a bit of affection for his pseudo-sister =or= The cavern was just as faux as the Chamber of Secrets - just without the thousand year's worth of muck and grime.

Oruma
12-07-2011, 01:33 AM
If this is a full-fledged crossover, you must try working in Harry being interviewed by Lois Lane, Daily Planet, and Superman by Luna Lovegood, Daily Prophet. :D

Alive and Free
12-07-2011, 04:50 AM
I could just imagine how those interviews would go. The question is, would Harry let himself be interviewed given his past history with reporters?

Oruma
12-07-2011, 05:39 AM
Depends on what "past" he has, doesn't it? If this is an AU, or if he's much closer with Luna, Harry might feel better dealing with reporters or the media.

Heather_Sinclair
12-07-2011, 06:59 AM
Sadly, I think the one series I didn't pick up from the New 52 was Supergirl, so I'm pretty clueless there. On the other hand, I can definitely see Harry being the one to miraculously give Barbara back the use of her legs. I personally think you can go the chaos theory route, with the events in Flashpoint screwing up the continuity of the universe and have that result in either wizarding society from the potterverse or just adding Harry.
I personally hate the idea of the traumatized Harry or the amnesiac Harry. I definitely think it should be post Voldemort and just have Harry taking a vacation running away, or one of the other million ways to get Harry out of the country.

Quick recap of Supergirl issues 1&2: Kara crash lands on Earth, ending up in Siberia. Gets attacked by an mechanized alien response team. She trashes them. Superman shows up and she pounds on him, not realizing he's her baby cousin that she was taking care of the day before. In other words she doesn't remember being popped into the pod and shot to Earth. Supes finely gets a word in edgewise and tells her Krypton went kablewie. The end.

Plotwise, your explanation is the closest to the route I'm going, continuity being a little askew at the beginning. It'll be explained. Post-Voldemort, Harry is an Auror already. I'm going for an original (HP-wise) idea, not rehashing bad HP plots of having heroes solve all of Harry's problems during school.

Alive and Free
12-07-2011, 08:53 AM
So Harry's in Siberia donig what? Hunting a fugitive?

Portus
12-07-2011, 09:34 AM
My other idea was for Wonder Girl. aka Cassie Sandsmark (http://www.comicvine.com/wonder-girl/29-10885/). In the new canon, she's a thief that broke into a Greek archeological dig and stole the magic bracelets, put them on, and *poof* Wonder Girl, with no connection to anyone but herself.

So I checked out your link. All I can think about now is the following question:

How did this -
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/82762/1632441-sandsmark_super.jpg

turn into this -
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9241/623736-0000_super.jpg

because it looks as if Ellen DeGeneres was magically transformed into a blonde Brooke Shields (note the Jordache reference thar)...

Celestin
12-07-2011, 10:14 AM
So I checked out your link. All I can think about now is the following question:

How did this -
...
turn into this -
...

because it looks as if Ellen DeGeneres was magically transformed into a blonde Brooke Shields (note the Jordache reference thar)...

Well, puberty?

Heather_Sinclair
12-07-2011, 12:34 PM
Well, puberty?

This. She's like 12 in that pic.

Here's her updated look.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u272/viceverza1/2023750-cassandra_sandsmark__06__001__01_.png

Jormungandr
12-07-2011, 06:17 PM
Damn. *wolf whistles*

I've been looking at the Wiki articles on the 'Metagene' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metahuman#DC_Comics:_Origins_.26_Definition) - and damn, does it spark off a few ideas!

If DC can reinvent things on a whim, why not the same with Harry Potter's aspect in a cross?

Now I've just got to look up genetic engineering/re-engineering, heh.

Heather_Sinclair
12-07-2011, 06:35 PM
If DC can reinvent things on a whim, why not the same with Harry Potter's aspect in a cross?


That's my thought. And since DC conveniently reinvented themselves, why not take advantage of it. The trick is to not make a story read like a comic book, instead making it more realistic even given the subject matter. That's where I see almost every comic crossover fail. They try to make it a comic with the constant lampooning of the characters (jaws dropping, tear-drop, actually writing the words WHAM, and KAZOOM!, etc.) or they make it way too much like the cartoons.

Jormungandr
12-07-2011, 06:44 PM
That's my thought. And since DC conveniently reinvented themselves, why not take advantage of it. The trick is to not make a story read like a comic book, instead making it more realistic even given the subject matter. That's where I see almost every comic crossover fail. They try to make it a comic with the constant lampooning of the characters (jaws dropping, tear-drop, actually writing the words WHAM, and KAZOOM!, etc.) or they make it way too much like the cartoons.

So in other words, 'cut out the cheese, and write it as a serious story'?

Republic
12-07-2011, 06:46 PM
snip]
This is why i love comics.

Mock Moniker
12-07-2011, 07:20 PM
The trick is to not make a story read like a comic book, instead making it more realistic even given the subject matter. That's where I see almost every comic crossover fail. They try to make it a comic with the constant lampooning of the characters (jaws dropping, tear-drop, actually writing the words WHAM, and KAZOOM!, etc.) or they make it way too much like the cartoons.

I didn't realize it till I read this, but you've spelled out one of the biggest problems I have with (most) of the comic crossovers I've read so far.

Heather_Sinclair
12-07-2011, 07:22 PM
So in other words, 'cut out the cheese, and write it as a serious story'?

Well it doesn't have to be serious. I plan on a lot of humor in mine, but yes, no big chapter after chapter of cheese please.


This is why i love comics.

I love comics too; always have. The WHAM! and KABLOOZA! have their place, in comics, like when Guy Gardner knocks Batman on his ass, WHAM! and when Batman is having sex with Catwoman, KABLOOZA! :awesome but not in a regular story.

Celestin
12-07-2011, 07:39 PM
like when Guy Gardner knocks Batman on his ass

Did I miss round 2 of their fight or this should be other way around? Eventually not Guy, but Hal.

Heather_Sinclair
12-07-2011, 08:27 PM
Did I miss round 2 of their fight or this should be other way around? Eventually not Guy, but Hal.

Oh hell... canon nazis.

Sure, I'll take your word for it. I think I was making a different point.

I didn't realize it till I read this, but you've spelled out one of the biggest problems I have with (most) of the comic crossovers I've read so far.

Yeah, it's obvious when it's pointed out. There are some decent ones out there that almost make a good story, but lack certain things. There was one with a Hermione/ Bruce Wayne cross that wasn't too bad, but it was choppy. Fairly realistic though. I can't think of the name of the thing to save my life. It was completed a couple months ago though.

Warlocke
12-08-2011, 05:36 AM
because it looks as if Ellen DeGeneres was magically transformed into a blonde Brooke Shields (note the Jordache reference thar)...Nothing came between her and her Calvins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK2VZgJ4AoM).

Even commercials have their canon. :sherlock:

Heather_Sinclair
12-08-2011, 03:03 PM
I wish you the best of luck and shall be sitting in WbA mashing the F5 key until its there.


Here's the start. Clash of the Titans (https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?p=516018#post516018) WbA

GrayFox
12-08-2011, 03:34 PM
An 'Evil Slytherin' in a relationship with the head of DMLE's niece, didn't see that coming. So far I like it, it's well written and the plot is believable.

Jormungandr
12-09-2011, 12:56 AM
So I've been kicking around a few ideas, and the current one I'm developing most at the moment is a story either where Harry was abducted when young, or Lily was with James in tow (being prime-candidates as Lily and James are Homo Magi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Magi#Atlantis) - normal humans with an extra gene, that allow them to access magic), and forcibly 're-engineered' at the genetic level to be what mankind was supposed to be, before alien species like the Vimanians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenobrood#Origin_of_the_Metagene) or the White Martians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Martians#Sabotage_of_Evolution) fucked around with terrestrial life.

Apparently, before these biological 'vandalisms' occured, mankind was most probably going to end up superhuman or more biologically complex, like Kryptonians, but ended up as being...well, weak. In the end, only a few humans, and not the entire race, developed the Metagene, and even then it may have been a weaker/altered form of what was supposed to be.

As previously mentioned in an earlier post or two, anything is up for a change - Potterverse included. Merging the two universes/storylines is going to be pretty fun, and 'doing a DC' on some of the Potter characters' origins, whilst avoiding HP fandom cliches, is going to be a challenging yet rewarding job, I think.

I've been looking at human evolution and vestigality through Wikipedia, and a lot of things on there are quite interesting - some of these biological alterations could be used as a plot device for Harry's Metahuman abilities, or at least be partly responsible for them.

The only downside is that, if incorrectly, it could begin a descent into a piss-poor super!Harry fic', without giving him any character flaws.

The end result would -hopefully- be a Harry (Homo Sapien Sapien(?) <appropriate Latin adjective here>) that would be a counterpart to a Kryptonian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonian) on the evolutionary ladder, but at the same time vastly different yet just as complex at the biological level.

Mankind as it was supposed to be, essentially.

Other things I'm considering is that, due to his 'abnormalities', Harry has a loner complex, and is quite distrusting of people. Kara, being a somewhat skewed counterpart, is the first person that he really forms a connection with.

I'll admit that I'm heavily inspired by the abandoned story Harry Potter and the Power of Oa (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4944577/3/Harry_Potter_and_the_power_of_Oa)and its ongoing and recently updated reimagining (http://www.hpfanficarchive.com/stories/viewstory.php?sid=561&index=1) (by a different author, with permission from the original author of Power of Oa), and I'm thinking that Harry is eventually taken in by one of the heroes - maybe Superman, or his adoptive parents.

So, thoughts?

GrayFox
12-09-2011, 01:28 AM
Yes to the Homo Magi concept, because you could make the argument that it is the actual reason for magic in the wizarding world. As for him being on par with a Kryptonian, I don't really see that because they were a society that was more advanced than us through being at least an eon older.

And if you did than harry wouldn't have powers, remember Krypton's sun was a red giant and the people there were normal. So if harry was an 'earthly krypton' he should only have abilities when exposed to a different wave-length of light as compared to his own sun.

Now if you did they whole 'I had an accident and woke up with super-powers' deal (see The Flash), than that could work, but you would have to choose one ability. If you wanted to go for an edgier spin than you could make him part of the cadmus project. They discovered harry after he had the bad luck to apperate near an operative in the U.K.(or if it is still during the hogwarts years you could have the death eaters/ministry sell him to them).

Curious as to what this unusual energy their new subject seems to possess, the Cadmus team uses genetics to see if they could turn him into a kryptonian with the left over material from the project that creates Kara's clone. As the experiment is occurring have the JLA bust in to stop the project and deal with the clone, only for them to realize what they have walked in on. Sadly the doctors finish the injection/gene sequence/electric slide before they can be stopped.

Fearful of any repercussions should superman pull a leaf out of our favorite green-skinned, purple shorts wearing goliath, The JLA must watch helplessly as this boy/young man's life is changed forever. Because of his new DNA, Harry is the first-ever wizard kryptonian. Perhaps because of his abilities he is now able to do wandless magic(cliche), or maybe it is a hindrance on his magic, such as removing the potential for animagus transformations.

Yeah, kidnapped/sold to Cadmus sounds better if you want meta Harry.

Jormungandr
12-09-2011, 01:59 AM
Yes to the Homo Magi concept, because you could make the argument that it is the actual reason for magic in the wizarding world. As for him being on par with a Kryptonian, I don't really see that because they were a society that was more advanced than us through being at least an eon older.

Biologically equivilent in complexity, not a mimicry of Kryptonian DNA/evolution/abilities - and not their culture/civilization, either. ;)

Think of it this way:

Normal human DNA: small house, maybe a cottage. Simple, frail.
Kryptonian DNA: Empire State Building. Strong, complex.
Harry's 'What Humans were supposed to be' DNA: Big Ben. Solid, complex in a different way.

And if you did than harry wouldn't have powers, remember Krypton's sun was a red giant and the people there were normal. So if harry was an 'earthly krypton' he should only have abilities when exposed to a different wave-length of light as compared to his own sun.Again, only if Harry's abilities relied on solar radiation to function - if they relied on something else, or are innate, this wouldn't be a problem. Maybe ambient magic...?

Now if you did they whole 'I had an accident and woke up with super-powers' deal (see The Flash), than that could work, but you would have to choose one ability. If you wanted to go for an edgier spin than you could make him part of the cadmus project. They discovered harry after he had the bad luck to apperate near an operative in the U.K.(or if it is still during the hogwarts years you could have the death eaters/ministry sell him to them).

Curious as to what this unusual energy their new subject seems to possess, the Cadmus team uses genetics to see if they could turn him into a kryptonian with the left over material from the project that creates Kara's clone. As the experiment is occurring have the JLA bust in to stop the project and deal with the clone, only for them to realize what they have walked in on. Sadly the doctors finish the injection/gene sequence/electric slide before they can be stopped.

Fearful of any repercussions should superman pull a leaf out of our favorite green-skinned, purple shorts wearing goliath, The JLA must watch helplessly as this boy/young man's life is changed forever. Because of his new DNA, Harry is the first-ever wizard kryptonian. Perhaps because of his abilities he is now able to do wandless magic(cliche), or maybe it is a hindrance on his magic, such as removing the potential for animagus transformations.

Yeah, kidnapped/sold to Cadmus sounds better if you want meta Harry.It'd also change Harry into a Kryptonian/half-Kryptonian - which would be against the basic premise of him being 'what humans were supposed to be'.

I could use something similar to the Cadmus Project, though; it's an interesting concept.

GrayFox
12-09-2011, 02:02 AM
Think of it this way:

Normal human DNA: small house, maybe a cottage. Simple, frail.
Kryptonian DNA: Empire State Building. Strong, complex.
Harry's 'What Humans were supposed to be' DNA: Big Ben. Solid, complex in a different way.


Big Ben isn't complex.

Jormungandr
12-09-2011, 02:03 AM
From an engineering stand point, it is. :)

GrayFox
12-09-2011, 02:05 AM
Perhaps a technique similar to how the Go'aul(spchk) tried to create their own alterians?

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Big Ben is the name of the bell, it's like calling the Liberty Bell Complex because they are sister bells

Jormungandr
12-09-2011, 02:08 AM
Big Ben is the nickname for the great bell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_%28instrument%29) of the clock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock) at the north end of the Palace of Westminster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Westminster) in London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London),[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ben#cite_note-wbfbb-0) and is generally extended to refer to the clock or the clock tower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_tower) as well.

Uh, I meant the Clock Tower, too. My bad.

Hm, maybe I should have used a better engineering example that's on par with the Empire State, heh.

Alive and Free
12-09-2011, 02:26 AM
@Jormungandr – so you’re aiming for Harry to have superpowers in addition to magic?

Maybe to avoid him being too powerful you could have the re-engineering only be partially successful. Maybe the frail human form can’t support complete re-engineering?

If you have Lily and/or James being kidnapped then you could have the re-engineering only be partially successful on them but have Harry be one step further up the evolutionary ladder.

How old were you planning on having Harry when the re-engineering takes place? What powers were you thinking of giving to re-engineered humans? Will his powers be there from birth or will there be a slow growth as he grows older or maybe a sudden emergence brought on by a dangerous situation (Dursleys abuse[cliche], maybe when he confronts Quirrell)?

AntHil
12-09-2011, 04:12 AM
If you wanted to go for an edgier spin than you could make him part of the cadmus project. They discovered harry after he had the bad luck to apperate near an operative in the U.K.(or if it is still during the hogwarts years you could have the death eaters/ministry sell him to them).

Curious as to what this unusual energy their new subject seems to possess, the Cadmus team uses genetics to see if they could turn him into a kryptonian with the left over material from the project that creates Kara's clone. As the experiment is occurring have the JLA bust in to stop the project and deal with the clone, only for them to realize what they have walked in on. Sadly the doctors finish the injection/gene sequence/electric slide before they can be stopped.

I know you picked Kryptonian DNA because of Kara's clone but who's to say that Cadmus doesn't have some other hero's DNA? I mean, I imagine that the heroes bleed fairly regularly, so maybe Cadmus retrieved some of Jonn or Diana's DNA from a fight and used that on Harry. If I used your idea to give Harry metahuman abilities I'd go with Cadmus injecting him with Diana's DNA just to write Hippolyta's reaction to a male having Amazon abilities.

Alive and Free
12-09-2011, 04:22 AM
I know you picked Kryptonian DNA because of Kara's clone but who's to say that Cadmus doesn't have some other hero's DNA? I mean, I imagine that the heroes bleed fairly regularly, so maybe Cadmus retrieved some of Jonn or Diana's DNA from a fight and used that on Harry. If I used your idea to give Harry metahuman abilities I'd go with Cadmus injecting him with Diana's DNA just to write Hippolyta's reaction to a male having Amazon abilities.

Of course, now that you've suggested this some tosser on ff.net is going to use this as an excuse to turn male!Harry into female!man-hating!Harry. And, of course, he'll happily accept being turned into a female after spending fourteen or fifteen years as a male.

GrayFox
12-09-2011, 04:48 AM
I thought those people avoided DLP, its almost as if they believe their lives are endangered when entering.

Alive and Free
12-09-2011, 05:04 AM
I thought those people avoided DLP, its almost as if they believe their lives are endangered when entering.

You're not wrong about their lives being endangered on DLP but I imagine one or two of them are lurking about.

I'm surprised no one's tried to use Harry's lightning bolt scar as a link to the Olympian Gods as the basis of a DC/HP crossover. There are some non-crossovers that have tried this, none of them good, but I don't think it features in any crossovers.

Heather_Sinclair
12-09-2011, 06:40 AM
The only thing I have trouble getting past is that Harry would have magic and superpowers. It'll be tough to write this and not give into the godlike!Harry having him solve all the world's problems and fighting all the villains himself.

Magic already holds a prominent place in the DC verse with the likes of Zatanna, John Constintine, Dr. Fate, Madam Xanadu, and even Merlin. They just access it in a different way for each character. Its existence doesn't need to be explained so much.

My question is why are you going this route. Is it to simply have Harry stand out from the others, or completely separate him from Hogwarts, etc. ?

samkar
12-09-2011, 10:14 AM
Harry arriving in the Age of Apocalypse/Marvel universe would be my ultimate XMen crossover kick. In the end he could meet Blink and become part of the Exiles.

Oruma
12-09-2011, 10:32 AM
You're not wrong about their lives being endangered on DLP but I imagine one or two of them are lurking about.

I'm surprised no one's tried to use Harry's lightning bolt scar as a link to the Olympian Gods as the basis of a DC/HP crossover. There are some non-crossovers that have tried this, none of them good, but I don't think it features in any crossovers.
If not Olympians, the scar can be a mark of SHAZAM!

CrackedMind
12-09-2011, 04:25 PM
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Surprisingly, I'm not so adverse to a Captain Marvel! Harry.
Would be pretty epic, actually.

Portus
12-09-2011, 04:51 PM
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Surprisingly, I'm not so adverse (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/adverse) to a Captain Marvel! Harry.
Would be pretty epic, actually.

I think you mean averse (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/averse).

Jormungandr
12-09-2011, 05:09 PM
@Jormungandr Ė so youíre aiming for Harry to have superpowers in addition to magic?

The only thing I have trouble getting past is that Harry would have magic and superpowers. It'll be tough to write this and not give into the godlike!Harry having him solve all the world's problems and fighting all the villains himself.

I was thinking about having ambient magic fuel his abilities - the world is saturated in the stuff, with 'hotspots' at places like Diagon, Hogwarts, etc. The trouble is mainly the whole 'God' thing, as you've both said.

This is my most major concern, at the moment.

Could personality flaws and problems help make up for such things?



Maybe to avoid him being too powerful you could have the re-engineering only be partially successful. Maybe the frail human form canít support complete re-engineering?

If you have Lily and/or James being kidnapped then you could have the re-engineering only be partially successful on them but have Harry be one step further up the evolutionary ladder.

I was thinking about either having Harry himself abducted, shoved into a tube and then 'worked on', or having Lily and James abducted, altered, and then have Lily knocked up with Harry - two halfs of the new genetic code in each parent, to create the final product.

It'd also make sense if there was something in each parents' DNA (e.g. James as a pureblood, he'd have the required traits from the wizarding world such as metamorphmagi/animagi in his DNA, because of how inbred they are, and Lily, for something else) that are required for the process to work to create a viable offspring.


How old were you planning on having Harry when the re-engineering takes place? What powers were you thinking of giving to re-engineered humans? Will his powers be there from birth or will there be a slow growth as he grows older or maybe a sudden emergence brought on by a dangerous situation (Dursleys abuse[cliche], maybe when he confronts Quirrell)?

Slow growth, I think, to stop the possibility of it rapidly descending into 'God!Harry' territory.

Aside from a few passive things, like fitness and agility (reflected in normal kids, basically), anything 'active' would slowly develop as he grows older.

Of course, on the flip-side, if he was somehow shot into another solar system where there was another, differing enviromental factor (like with Kryptonians and a yellow star), it's likely that he'd somehow be that world's version of Superman, differeing from how he'd be like if he were born and raised on (his native enviroment of) Earth. Or he could end up being so weak that a simple needle could kill him - who knows?


Magic already holds a prominent place in the DC verse with the likes of Zatanna, John Constintine, Dr. Fate, Madam Xanadu, and even Merlin. They just access it in a different way for each character. Its existence doesn't need to be explained so much.

My question is why are you going this route. Is it to simply have Harry stand out from the others, or completely separate him from Hogwarts, etc. ?

Most probably to have him stand out from other superheroes, as he's supposed to be what humanity would have been, had aliens not fucked with terrestrial DNA.

I'm not sure which route to go, to be honest; have him at Hogwarts, which would end up being a tighter knit version of the whole 'Smallville'-type story, or have him appear at Hogwarts sometimes, like in the (for example) Denarian series, by Shezza.

Each have benefits and drawbacks, most notably that being at Hogwarts would force some pretty good character development/interaction, but it'd limit his exposure to other heroes and metahumans, such as Kara, Diana, Clark, Bruce, etc.

Also, someone already tried linking Harry's scar with the DC Greek Gods: it was in a story where it's post-Voldemort, he's in Greece, Circe's the antagonist, and he's the descendent (through Lily) of the Amazon Queen's sister.

It's linked somewhere in this thread - I think it's abandoned/stolen, though?

Heather_Sinclair
12-09-2011, 05:36 PM
I was thinking about having ambient magic fuel his abilities - the world is saturated in the stuff, with 'hotspots' at places like Diagon, Hogwarts, etc. The trouble is mainly the whole 'God' thing, as you've both said.

This is my most major concern, at the moment.

Could personality flaws and problems help make up for such things?



I suppose it would depend on how it's presented. Knowing that he could be a uber-powerful person if he could only get over his desire to cut himself probably wouldn't be a good avenue to turn down. ;)

Personally, if I had to write this character, I'd hide everything, leaving subtle hints along the way to revealing his powers/heritage. I think knowing that he's powered up in that way, the reader would constantly be expecting the scene when he comes into his own, and then being let down when it doesn't happen, whenever that is.

Did that make sense?

Maybe parsing his powers over time, as he grows older more are revealed ala Smallville. But we'd be entering cliche-land by that point.

Thaumologist
12-09-2011, 05:50 PM
One idea I saw a while back (I think it was in the World War Hulk storyline, but it has been ages since I read it), was infinite power, but only in minor increments.

Basically, the Hulk is on a massive rampage, killing and smashing and generally being a bit of a dick. Being the Hulk, he's tougher than normal, and so can stand being shot at, or stabbed, or having buildings fall on him. However, if a nuclear bomb were to be dropped on him at this point, he would die.

But instead of calling in a bomb, the army is called in. And now he's being shot at with high powered rifles, or having a few minor explosives being thrown at him. So he toughens up again, and withstands this new onslaught.

And then missiles, and blahblahblah...

The point I'm trying to make is that the character could have limitless potential, whether this was in everything, or a specific trait, or a series of mutations; but could only increase in small jumps, and only when required.

GrayFox
12-09-2011, 06:04 PM
It's linked somewhere in this thread - I think it's abandoned/stolen, though?
Here (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6854055/1/) it is.

If you are going genetic manipulation on the parents, than I have some ideas for whom gets what. As James was a prominent fighter within the order, his ability would have to be kind of low-key, or he never learned to use it accept during high emotions. Perhaps they analyzed Vixen's animal pendant and imbued its essence within James. In him it could have just made him more efficient while changed into his animagus form or fighting werewolves. It could then show up in Harry as a more advanced talent due to the combinations of genes he would have, perhaps as beast speak, a multi-magus(multiple animagus), or enhanced metamorph powers(not unlike mystique from the x-men, he could change into any person or animal).

As for Lily, I have 2 ideas within my head. One is that they turn her into an Amazon, perhaps to see if the Amazonian women are merely more evolved versions of normal women, and the gene sequence doesn't blend well with her DNA. This gives her some minor strength and speed increase, but nothing major. When Harry is born something acts as the catalyst(genes he gets from James, or James' enhancements) giving him full access to the amazonian gene. The other idea I had was perhaps, because of the physical similarities, they seek to recreate the accident that turned Pamela Isley into Poison Ivy. It could succeed to a point and give her a knack for gardening. It then manifests itself in Harry as full control over plant life, and an immunity to toxins. Maybe they tried to give Lily both, and her body repressed certain traits that than become active in Harry.

Fact of the matter is, if I were a good writer and was trying this myself, Harry would inherit: Magic(Lily and James), Beast-Speak(JP), Multi-magus(JP), Botanical Control(LP), and perhaps agelessness from some repressed amazonian genes(LP).
Now he is strong, but not invincible.

Just my idea, however I fully recognize that you all have more experience writing than I do.

Alive and Free
12-10-2011, 06:58 AM
@Jorm; if you're going to power Harry's superpowers through ambient magic you could use that to limit his power in certain situations. For example, at Hogwarts, a place soaked in ambient magic, his powers are at their peak but in a place with little ambient magic his powers are correspondingly weak.

Another way to limit his powers could be to make them non-physical. So, he's a wizard and has some superpowers but physically he's still a weak human.


I've already read the story you mentioned from when it was posted earlier in the thread.

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So I'm thinking about buying DC Comics: The New 52 from Amazon. It's a compilation of issues and costs $90 pre-order. My question is, is it worth it?

Heather_Sinclair
12-10-2011, 07:24 AM
So I'm thinking about buying DC Comics: The New 52 from Amazon. It's a compilation of issues and costs $90 pre-order. My question is, is it worth it?


I've sampled a good number of them, so my answer would be no, since a good portion of them aren't reboots. Pick the ones you'd be interested in reading about. In the long run it probably be less expensive.

Ones that stood as outstanding (in my opinion):

Suicide Squad, The Strange Case of Luther Strode, Justice League Dark, Voodoo, Teen Titans, Red Lanterns, Birds of Prey, and Red Hood and the Outlaws. Suicide Squad, is the best with artwork and story by far.

The Green Lantern comics, Batman, Batwoman, Catwoman, weren't really rebooted.

Alive and Free
12-10-2011, 07:30 AM
Thanks for the advice.

chriar
12-10-2011, 08:08 AM
Animal Man was also really good, but a little retarded. Same thing with Swamp Thing just I personally didn't pick it up. Green Lantern: New Guardians, along with The Fury of Firestorm and Superboy, were also amazing. Batgirl is interesting in a weirdly retarded sort of way, Barbara now has her legs back. That is all i can think of off the top of my head, and by that I mean all the comics piled up next to my computer from the past to weeks.
Depending on how big your local comic shop is they might actually have the fourth or fifth printings of the first and second issues. I know in NYC that Midtown Comics by Grand Central Station has most if not all of the new 52 first issues.

Jormungandr
12-10-2011, 10:48 PM
Here (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6854055/1/) it is.

If you are going genetic manipulation on the parents, than I have some ideas for whom gets what. As James was a prominent fighter within the order, his ability would have to be kind of low-key, or he never learned to use it accept during high emotions. Perhaps they analyzed Vixen's animal pendant and imbued its essence within James. In him it could have just made him more efficient while changed into his animagus form or fighting werewolves. It could then show up in Harry as a more advanced talent due to the combinations of genes he would have, perhaps as beast speak, a multi-magus(multiple animagus), or enhanced metamorph powers(not unlike mystique from the x-men, he could change into any person or animal).

God no, some of those are the fandoms most horrid cliches.

I'm not sure if the animagus potential is genetic (like metamorphmagi and, for example, seen in the Santi's fic) or a skill anyone can learn, like a Patronus charm.

If it's genetic, it's already there in James, with possibly anything else the Wizarding World has - Purebloods are all inbred, after all.


As for Lily, I have 2 ideas within my head. One is that they turn her into an Amazon, perhaps to see if the Amazonian women are merely more evolved versions of normal women, and the gene sequence doesn't blend well with her DNA. This gives her some minor strength and speed increase, but nothing major. When Harry is born something acts as the catalyst(genes he gets from James, or James' enhancements) giving him full access to the amazonian gene. The other idea I had was perhaps, because of the physical similarities, they seek to recreate the accident that turned Pamela Isley into Poison Ivy. It could succeed to a point and give her a knack for gardening. It then manifests itself in Harry as full control over plant life, and an immunity to toxins. Maybe they tried to give Lily both, and her body repressed certain traits that than become active in Harry.

Fact of the matter is, if I were a good writer and was trying this myself, Harry would inherit: Magic(Lily and James), Beast-Speak(JP), Multi-magus(JP), Botanical Control(LP), and perhaps agelessness from some repressed amazonian genes(LP).
Now he is strong, but not invincible.

Just my idea, however I fully recognize that you all have more experience writing than I do.Didn't think of the Amazonians and any possible DNA there, to be honest; then again, if Harry was essentially a terrestrial animal/human 're-engineered' from scratch, wouldn't he have the genes that make Amazons themselves already, somewhere in his genetic soup?

One idea I saw a while back (I think it was in the World War Hulk storyline, but it has been ages since I read it), was infinite power, but only in minor increments.

Basically, the Hulk is on a massive rampage, killing and smashing and generally being a bit of a dick. Being the Hulk, he's tougher than normal, and so can stand being shot at, or stabbed, or having buildings fall on him. However, if a nuclear bomb were to be dropped on him at this point, he would die.

But instead of calling in a bomb, the army is called in. And now he's being shot at with high powered rifles, or having a few minor explosives being thrown at him. So he toughens up again, and withstands this new onslaught.

And then missiles, and blahblahblah...

The point I'm trying to make is that the character could have limitless potential, whether this was in everything, or a specific trait, or a series of mutations; but could only increase in small jumps, and only when required.

The human body is remarkably complex; apparently, for example, the more you're exposed to pain, the more you feel it - the nerve endings actually learn.

A human with superior or a more complex genetic structure could have a lot of avenues to play around with; deprived of vitamin C? No problem! Apparently, one of our 'just-before-monkey' ancestors had a gene with actually produced vitamin C in the body - a mutation essentially disabled it, but it's still in our junk DNA, or something along those lines.

There was an Outer Limits episode years ago, that had a man -who had cancer- injected with experimental nanomachines; eventually, he became less and less human as the machines 'improved' him, in order to counter-act his almost Brother-In-Law's consensual tests, like having eyes grow in the back of his skull, jellyfish like stingers over his flesh to protect it, gills to breathe underwater, etc.

As you can imagine, it didn't end well for the bloke, or his fiance.

Very creepy shit. :)

I suppose it would depend on how it's presented. Knowing that he could be a uber-powerful person if he could only get over his desire to cut himself probably wouldn't be a good avenue to turn down. ;)



Yeah; it'd also stride dangerously close to the thousands of piss-poor 'indie' Harry cliches seen on ff.net. Not a good area to dance around, methinks. ;)



Personally, if I had to write this character, I'd hide everything, leaving subtle hints along the way to revealing his powers/heritage. I think knowing that he's powered up in that way, the reader would constantly be expecting the scene when he comes into his own, and then being let down when it doesn't happen, whenever that is.

Did that make sense?

Maybe parsing his powers over time, as he grows older more are revealed ala Smallville. But we'd be entering cliche-land by that point.Sort of, yeah - I admit that I'd struggle with the implementation a bit; not so much the hints/subtext, but on how to use them effectively. Otherwise, the poor implementation would be just as bad as 'telling, now showing' his uber!humanism.

@Jorm; if you're going to power Harry's superpowers through ambient magic you could use that to limit his power in certain situations. For example, at Hogwarts, a place soaked in ambient magic, his powers are at their peak but in a place with little ambient magic his powers are correspondingly weak.

Another way to limit his powers could be to make them non-physical. So, he's a wizard and has some superpowers but physically he's still a weak human.


At the moment, I've broken it down into two 'lists';

Biological elements because of his 'superior' DNA over regular humans; basically, nothing magically powered, active or ambiently - plain ol' superior biology, courtesy of his complex genetic code.

The resources I'm drawing upon to display this 'superiority' are based upon human vestigality, stuff we've eventually 'sloughed' off during our evolution, and what logical improvements man -as a species- could have on various organs and stuff. That's the design direction I'm going for, basically.

Things grouped under the biological category would be like being able to see in the dark perfectly (his pupil being able to expand, allowing more light in), a third (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nictitating_membrane) , protective eyelid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plica_semilunaris_of_conjunctiva) , being able to see more wavelengths of light (that are normally just outside of the normal human visual spectrum), such as infra-red and ultraviolet, etc.

This would give him a great edge over regular ol' weak humans, but obviously not enough to be on the levels of a proper superhero, like Superman.

Things under the 'Super Power' category would things actively powered by magic; this includes things like spells (Harry Potter, Zatanna, etc) and magic supercharging his natural biology, like how rays from a yellow star unintentionally charges up a Kryptonian's DNA/body.

From what I understand, Kryptonian's bodies evolved the way they did in order to try and catch as much sunlight/rays from their own red giant as they possibly could, like plants desperately growing upwards in a rainforest to try and get to sunlight, and to survive their own harsh environment . This also means that they'd all be healthy and be naturally strong, physically, even when 'unpowered' by a yellow star.

Being exposed to a yellow star, which has a much more significant output, essentially supercharged their bodies as a side-effect of this evolution, giving them superpowers.

With Harry's 'humans that should have been, not the frail things generally seen due to vandalism' biology, I'm trying to create a unique parallel to this sort of evolution.

Earth is saturated in magic, and can alter terrestrial animal development, as seen in the origins of the Homo Magi.

Aside from being physically fit and adaptive due to Earth's less-than-safe past, 'uber!humans' would have evolved to utilise magic as a part of their fairly complex biology, like with Kryptonians and sun-rays.

However, because there wasn't a real shortage of magic on Earth, compared to Krypton's red giant rays and a yellow star's rays, magic actively ingrained itself as a part of their biology. "charging 'em up".

The only downside to this, is that if a uber!human leaves Earth's near proximity and goes to another planet that doesn't have magic or a near substitute, for example...well, not too sure what would happen - could be bad (like a Kryptonian becoming 'normal' again under a red giant), could be good (gaining power instead, like Kryptonians under a yellow star).

Uh, hope these ramblings provide some insight into the avenue I'm probably going to go down.

CleanRag
12-11-2011, 02:25 AM
Here is an X-Men crossover that I don't believe has been posted yet. If it has my apologizes. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5010221/1/Fusion

It has a few big problems but from what I remember it is as good as The Ascension of Ra. Biggest problem I had was Harry's emotional instability. Not whiny bitch Harry, but instead acting like Dumbledore shoved a firecracker up his ass and lit it. Lots of over the top melodrama.

Zeitgeist
12-11-2011, 02:51 AM
Here is an X-Men crossover that I don't believe has been posted yet. If it has my apologizes. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5010221/1/Fusion

It has a few big problems but from what I remember it is as good as The Ascension of Ra. Biggest problem I had was Harry's emotional instability. Not whiny bitch Harry, but instead acting like Dumbledore shoved a firecracker up his ass and lit it. Lots of over the top melodrama.

"Rated: M - English - Adventure/Sci-Fi - James H./Wolverine/Logan & Harry P. - Reviews: 241 - Updated: 04-27-09 - Published: 04-21-09 - id:5010221"

Urgh, I normally flinch when I see that bolded tag. Somehow, when Harry P. appears next to a male character in the Crossover category (especially somebody like Logan), the possibility of slash skyrockets. Harry's special power should be magic, not his supposed ability to spread his butt-cheeks.

Heather's choice of crossing HP with Teen Titans was a canny idea. There are too many crossovers which involve some sort of DC adult mentoring Harry, who then becomes the coolest thing since sliced bread. Putting an older Harry next to a younger DC character neatly sidesteps any issues of "whiny Harry" or "Harry the Superchild". Additionally, I don't really like "Dimension Travel" in crossover stories; "Universe Fusions", like Heather's, seem more intrinsically creative, I find.

Perhaps this could be done in a Marvel crossover. When Harry finishes his schooling, mutants begin to out themselves throughout the globe. The Ministry, still recovering from the War, finds itself divided in its stance towards the Anti-Mutants movement. Some wizards believe that this is an entirely Muggle issue and hence does not necessitate intervention, while other wizards believe that this xenophobia, mirroring perhaps some of the Death Eaters' philosophies, is a cause for concern and action. Cue politics and such.

The X-Men: Evolution series involved the public's discovery of mutants somewhere in its seasons, so it could be used for such an idea. As a bonus, the "classic" X-Men such as Cyclops and Jean Grey are teenagers in this series, as well as some more popular characters such as Nightcrawler and Rogue.

Harry/Jean would be... explosive, to say the least. The challenges of dating a talented telepath, I suppose.

Jormungandr
12-11-2011, 03:20 AM
“h, I could imagine that.

Harry's eyes lingered on Jean's rather shapely bum. Why hadn't he noticed how...curvy it was, before?

"Harry," Jean said in sudden amusement, not even turning around. "Are you looking at my rear end?"

"What? N-no..." Harry stuttered, his face turning a nice shade of crimson. His eyes still lingered, however.

"Harry." Jean said flatly, gently tapping her own right temple.

Harry sighed in defeat. "Fine."

Still hidden from view, Jean smiled demurely - it looked like he was beginning to show more than just a platonic interest in her.

Heather_Sinclair
12-11-2011, 05:58 AM
Heather's choice of crossing HP with Teen Titans was a canny idea. There are too many crossovers which involve some sort of DC adult mentoring Harry, who then becomes the coolest thing since sliced bread. Putting an older Harry next to a younger DC character neatly sidesteps any issues of "whiny Harry" or "Harry the Superchild". Additionally, I don't really like "Dimension Travel" in crossover stories; "Universe Fusions", like Heather's, seem more intrinsically creative, I find.

I've read one too many "Harry joins the Justice League" stories, or "Harry is mentored by Green Lantern/Superman/Batman. They're stale. Here's for starting a new cliche where he's the one that knows a lot and is manipulating the kids into position to defeat the bad guy. It's Dumbledore!Harry. Okay, I'm not doing that. It was just a stray idea.



Perhaps this could be done in a Marvel crossover. When Harry finishes his schooling, mutants begin to out themselves throughout the globe. The Ministry, still recovering from the War, finds itself divided in its stance towards the Anti-Mutants movement. Some wizards believe that this is an entirely Muggle issue and hence does not necessitate intervention, while other wizards believe that this xenophobia, mirroring perhaps some of the Death Eaters' philosophies, is a cause for concern and action. Cue politics and such.

X-men/HP has been done to death, most of it badly. There are other types and teams of metas in the Marvel universe. X-men is just easier to write because of the almost universal familiarity with the movies and cartoons, I suppose.

Personally, I'd pick a team from Marvel's Ultimate universe. Maybe a newly created young Fantastic Four where Harry was involved in the accident in Nevada that caused their powers to manifest.

Or

Inhumans and their Terrigen Mists - alter it in a way where someone obtains a liquid form of this and introduces it into the water supply (or something, more original, to that effect) causing the local population of a major city to mutate.

Anything would do, really. All you need is a catalyst to begin the universe.

GiantMonkeyMan
12-11-2011, 06:42 AM
I always thought an amusing story would be something along the lines of Harry being an Obliviator and his current job is to clean up after all the mess Zatanna has been leaving behind when she breaks the Satute of Secrecy.

CleanRag
12-11-2011, 11:32 AM
"Rated: M - English - Adventure/Sci-Fi - James H./Wolverine/Logan & Harry P. - Reviews: 241 - Updated: 04-27-09 - Published: 04-21-09 - id:5010221"

Urgh, I normally flinch when I see that bolded tag. Somehow, when Harry P. appears next to a male character in the Crossover category (especially somebody like Logan), the possibility of slash skyrockets.
Yeah, I wouldn't have read it either but the author was writing a promising Sg1/HP story in July and I took a peek at his other stuff.

oakes
12-11-2011, 04:30 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't have read it either but the author was writing a promising Sg1/HP story in July and I took a peek at his other stuff.

Was it any good though??

RJL333
12-11-2011, 09:25 PM
"Rated: M - English - Adventure/Sci-Fi - James H./Wolverine/Logan & Harry P. - Reviews: 241 - Updated: 04-27-09 - Published: 04-21-09 - id:5010221"

Urgh, I normally flinch when I see that bolded tag. Somehow, when Harry P. appears next to a male character in the Crossover category (especially somebody like Logan), the possibility of slash skyrockets. Harry's special power should be magic, not his supposed ability to spread his butt-cheeks.


Story is not slash, Logan is Harry's grandfather.
Would comment on story but it has been some time since reading it.

Alive and Free
12-12-2011, 03:54 AM
Isn't Death personified in DC Comics? That could work as the basis of a crossover. Something along the lines of the newly minted Master of Death being sent to deal with those pesky superheroes who don't have the decency to stay dead?

Or maybe something better.

I'm considering a fic using the Olympians and Harry's scar being a link to them, like I've talked about in previous posts ... sort of a 'Harry's path to becoming a superhero' type story? Thoughts?

Heather_Sinclair
12-12-2011, 05:52 AM
Isn't Death personified in DC Comics? That could work as the basis of a crossover. Something along the lines of the newly minted Master of Death being sent to deal with those pesky superheroes who don't have the decency to stay dead?

Death in the DCU is the same Death from Neil Gaiman's Sandman series. So that would have to be dealt with as well.


I'm considering a fic using the Olympians and Harry's scar being a link to them, like I've talked about in previous posts ... sort of a 'Harry's path to becoming a superhero' type story? Thoughts?

This was talked about a little earlier in this thread. A Harry/Zeus connection, I think.

Jormungandr
12-12-2011, 07:41 AM
Yup - Amazons, Batman Incorporated, and all that jazz.

Apparently, one of the reasons why DC decided to 'restart' things was to fully put the Sandman (and those other two comic book lines - Wildfire, I think?) into the DC universe, instead of them being 'tacked on/in'.

Also, Death from Sandman is fucking awesome.

If you want to read a good cross with Harry Potter about the Endless, read Path of Decision (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4438449/1/Path_of_Decision) ; the ending is a bit disappointing, but the fic itself is very good.

Spoiler alert for those who have already read it:

I fully expected Harry to become 'Decision', a new Endless, to be honest - maybe be in a relationship with Death, too.

The author apparently considered this, but didn't do it, as he/she felt that he/she couldn't pull it off right, apparently; PM's ftw.

Thaumologist
12-12-2011, 08:08 AM
I completely agree. Path of Decision is a great read, albeit some oddities (assassins wtf?); but the ending was not what I'd expected at all.

Alive and Free
12-13-2011, 08:20 AM
So I've got a couple of questions for people who read comics. Are males just outright not allowed on Themyscira or are they allowed if they get an invitation or what? What's the relationship between Zatanna and Madame Xanadu? Last question, has anyone read any good DCU fanfiction? If yes, please provide links.

@Jormungandr; there was a lot of talk about you could easily overpower Harry in the type of fic that you proposed writing but, having just reread Water Mage's Project M, I've got a different opinion. I mean, sure he'll be more powerful than 95% of the superheroes but there'll still be the top tier ones who can match him - think Mage's epic Thor vs HJP fight. I guess what I'm trying to say is that a massively powerful Harry will still have equals in the DCU if it's anything like Marvel.

GiantMonkeyMan
12-13-2011, 09:48 AM
Last question, has anyone read any good DCU fanfiction? If yes, please provide links.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5536346/1/Inviolate Is pretty good, although I've got some problems with it. Most people mention it as a sorta parallel with Shocker Legit (only instead of a secondary villain turning hero its Lex Luthor after he discovers some secrets about Earth).

Heather_Sinclair
12-13-2011, 11:20 AM
So I've got a couple of questions for people who read comics. Are males just outright not allowed on Themyscira or are they allowed if they get an invitation or what? What's the relationship between Zatanna and Madame Xanadu? Last question, has anyone read any good DCU fanfiction? If yes, please provide links.


Themyscria: Men are forbidden to set foot on the island except by order of the queen. They can physically do it, but then the Amazons tend to kill them. Steve Trevor crash landed there, was brought before the queen (depending on which version we're talking about) and was allowed to live as long as Diana escorted him off the Island, thus beginning Wonder Woman's usual history.

Madame Xanadu has many different histories, some good, evil, and neutral. So it's a complicated question. I would suggest going to Comicvine.dom and doing some reading on the characters.

Jormungandr
12-16-2011, 03:56 PM
Yeah, sorry for not replying for so long, but there was a bit of a personal tragedy this week.

Is it just me, or is the 'new' Supergirl f*cking ugly?

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/new-52-supergirl/

Her new costume is pretty shit, too.

Heather_Sinclair
12-16-2011, 04:40 PM
Yeah, sorry for not replying for so long, but there was a bit of a personal tragedy this week.

Is it just me, or is the 'new' Supergirl f*cking ugly?

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/new-52-supergirl/

Her new costume is pretty shit, too.

The artist sucks. And check me if I'm wrong, but the practical reason for wearing over the knee boots is for knee and shin protection, so why did they cut the knee section out? Because it's sexy?

Or maybe Kryptonians are big into rug burns... maybe it's a status thing. :awesome

Jormungandr
12-16-2011, 04:42 PM
Or she's a sexual deviant.

Kinky.

In all seriousness, the artist does indeed suck - Kara looks more masculine than feminine in the new 52.

Jormungandr
03-01-2012, 03:36 AM
Relevant bump;

So, after reading 'Terminal Justice' (which, though getting pretty ridiculous now, did satisfy my Harry/Kara cravings), I've got 'the bug' again. (Insert lame DLP STI joke, here).

There's a new story up on ffn where Harry marries Talia and the alternate Kara Zor-El (Power Girl)...and it's pretty terrible, not just in plot but also in execution.

If anyone's brave enough to read it: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7864560/1/Harrys_Vegas_Brides

Please, someone tell me that there's more new, decent ones out there? Maybe ones that aren't on ffn, or slipped 'through the net'?

Thaumologist
03-01-2012, 03:49 AM
There's another three, stemming from the same challenge. But if you thought Vegas Brides was bad, I really don't think you could stand them. I tried one, and couldn't finish chapter one...

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7700817/1/Love_and_Las_Vegas
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7707129/1/
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7863078/1/Harrys_Drunken_Marriage_Rise_of_the_Neo_Prongs

Jormungandr
03-01-2012, 03:56 AM
First one is a piss-poor femslash; not even considering it.
Second is a fem!Harry, and I don't see why it was even written; the author could have used a wizard OC, instead, and it would have been a more flexible choice.
Third is just terribly written, both in plot and in grammar.

Yeah, you're right - couldn't bare any of them.

Zircon
03-01-2012, 04:20 AM
So relevant statement, AND my 500th post.

Andro and I reached an accord recently that he and I will each pursue separate but equal Batman/HP crossovers, it's in the Plot Bunny Thread III. His update rate will probably be about 3/5ths of mine, and quite a bit darker.

Hopefully we can get some other authors in to all try to keep around the same update speed, maybe we could choose someone as the overseer/taskmaster to whip us into shape?

Alive and Free
03-01-2012, 08:00 AM
Dear god, HP/DC crossovers seem to be getting worse. I didn't think that was possible.

Kang
03-01-2012, 09:38 AM
Dear god, HP/DC crossovers seem to be getting worse. I didn't think that was possible.
It's like dividing by zero it should not be able to get more fucked up.

Then some asshole adds x infinity to it and BAM it warps itself in an unholy spectacle of fail and terror.

Jormungandr
03-04-2012, 04:28 AM
Death in the DCU is the same Death from Neil Gaiman's Sandman series. So that would have to be dealt with as well.

You know, thinking about it, if Harry was chucked in from somewhere that wasn't the DCU (or, Hell, if a fusion is done, instead), I could see an interesting relationship dynamic between Teleute and Harry.

Ancient Rules: Despite her great powers Death, like the rest of the Endless, was bound to a complex set of rules and customs.
One which requires her not to spill the blood of family or she is no longer protected as the personification of Death from other Personifications.
Another is that she cannot fall in love with a mortal or the mortal's downfall is assured.It could be spun that, since Harry has essentially accepted/embraced death (keeping in line with JKR's message), he's a loophole in the rule; he's technically not a mortal - not anymore.

He ages to 25, and at the very moment his body is -biologically- at its peak, he stops aging before it begins its decline.

He can be wounded, hurt, but he can never die. The only way he's exiting the Universe is with Teleute, when she "turns off the lights" at the very end; essentially, billions of years into the future.

He himself is tainted by death; his spells are altered at their fundamental level; for example, Aquamenti would bring forth stale, still water instead of fresh, and a Cutting Charm would simply and rather neatly 'rot away' the target area, which would normally have been gouged.

The Cloak, Stone and Wand are apart of him, never being able to be lost or destroyed. When under the Cloak, she cannot see/find him. The Stone allows him to talk/commune with certain loved ones, although it cannot be used for long as it hurts them greatly.

It's also a nail in the angst coffin, not being able to be with them.

Harry's initially very angry and bitter over the first few centuries, because everyone he loves (and, eventually, their descendants) wither and die around him, and his relationship with her starts off very negative.

She's apologetic, but there's little that she can do. She understands why he's so pissed off, and gives him space, though she does try to talk to him once in a while; mostly on her 'day off' every century.

But, as time (the centuries), his rage cools to anger, and then to apathy and depression. She tries to keep him company when she gets the chance; the relationship dynamic improves over a (very) long period of time.

He's essentially a 'sort-of-Endless', under Teleute; not apart of the family proper, but closer than a 'blood' descendant of one of Them.

He's not bound by their rules per sey, but he has the best - and worst - of it all.

This all, of course, would be an incredibly long, background, over-reaching storyline arch; in the meantime, he'd be making waves (basically self-contained stories, no matter how small/epic they can be, linked by said background plot-arch) in the DC Universe proper, finding kinship with those with either incredibly long lives (such as the Amazons/Superman/Supergirl) or "temporary/limited" immortality.

He could even have relationships with various members of the DCU; initially, he falls for Black Canary, and they have a relationship.

For the first time since Ginny's death (accident/murder would be more likely, as it's unlikely she's going to die of old age within the small -at that stage- time-frame), he's happy. He has a happy life with her, even marrying her.

Eventually, and even after extending her life through various, non-abominable means, she dies of old age, and she's taken away by Teleute personally; her attempt at trying to 'ease the blow'.

This, however, merely further fuels his resentment towards her.

Kara is the one who helps him stay together; they already have a close friendship/relationship because of the many years they've worked together, and eventually -and after much dithering on both their parts- this blossoms into a relationship.

Harry is happy, though guilt -and dread- still gnaws at the back of his mind.

Over the centuries that he's with Kara, Teleute slowly grows notably jealous, having gradually gained an affection for Harry himself. Their rapore grows.

Eventually, Kara dies through old age; Harry, however, has long accepted it; he knows that when it's time to go with Teleute, he'll see her, Dinah (Black Canary), and Ginny again, as well as everyone else.

He and Teleute enter a relationship, of sorts, and he joins her in her duties.

Eventually, the time comes, and everything ends. Cue happy ending, where he sees his past loved ones/parents, finally getting that hug from his mother, Lily.

--

Oh, and someone uploaded Terminal Justice to ffn;

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7563137/1/Terminal_Justice

There's also a shit-ton of Terminal Justice omakes in this story - see chapter names.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3287835/63/Mr_Black_Omake_Collection

Heather_Sinclair
03-04-2012, 07:45 AM
You know, thinking about it, if Harry was chucked in from somewhere that wasn't the DCU (or, Hell, if a fusion is done, instead), I could see an interesting relationship dynamic between Teleute and Harry.


This can be easily accomplished by winding up in a one of the 52 other universes of DC. This way you could alter canon in a way that could be perceived as canon. Things will obviously be different and you can do what you want.

This depends on whether or not the Endless have a consistent presence in all 52 worlds. I never read anything that says they are or aren't, but I haven't read everything either. I haven't even seen evidence that there area only 52 worlds anymore, since the newest DC reboot.

Jormungandr
03-04-2012, 06:22 PM
I'm honestly not sure if she (and her 'family') are apart of every world, but given their natures, I wouldn't be surprised.

GrayFox
03-04-2012, 09:27 PM
She could be a benign aspect of the worlds; it's understood she is there, but rarely acknowledged.

Jormungandr
03-04-2012, 11:07 PM
Up to chapter 17 on this one; http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5920203/1/Harry_Potter_Returns

The set-up is sort of interesting, but there are a few cliches.

The plot starts with Superman Returns' storyline, at least for the first third or so of the fic', but quickly diverges into its own, so no 'insert Harry into this' sort of crapola.

The author -rather lazily- copies text from Half-Blood Prince in one chapter, and at one point it's glaringly obvious (going to the Alley for a second time, but reacting to it as if it's the first, with Half-Blood Princes' canon reaction), but it only happens once or twice for one chapter.

It's fairly decent, a 3/5 at least, at least for me.

samkar
03-04-2012, 11:42 PM
The writer jbean210 is on my avoid-no-matter-what list. Even if the guy produces a lot technically readable text his tendencies to write self inserts and/or Gary Stus with plots which could replace a valium treatment makes him annoyingly unreadable for my taste.

Zyphere
03-05-2012, 04:33 PM
Greetings all. Always lurked around these boards, but never registered an account until now. Ater reading through this thread, an idea popped into my mind that just won't leave me alone. It came after reading the following post:

You're not wrong about their lives being endangered on DLP but I imagine one or two of them are lurking about.

I'm surprised no one's tried to use Harry's lightning bolt scar as a link to the Olympian Gods as the basis of a DC/HP crossover. There are some non-crossovers that have tried this, none of them good, but I don't think it features in any crossovers.

For anyone unfamiliar with Greek mythology, Zeus is believed to have had a rather...active sexual life, eyes always drifting to other women and having extramarital affairs despite the fury of his wife, Hera. The idea that's been bothering me throughout the day relates to the birth of Heracles (Hercules). According to the legends, Zeus had impersonated the husband of Alcmene (wife of Heracles) while her husband was out on an expedition, and had slept with Alcmene.

So I started thinking...could I not do something to the same extent with Harry? Have Zeus impersonate James Potter one night, eventually leading to the birth of Harry (who would end up being a demi-god). The lightning bolt scar idea was just too enticing to not give it a thought. Harry's survival the halloween night would be seen as divine interference from his father, while the reasoning behind Voldemort's attack on the Potters would be blamed on Hera (Zeus' wife, who always through jealous fits).

The story would tie into Greek mythology and basic Wonder Woman history. I'm not sure yet whether the DC background for the story would be pre-reboot (in which Harry and Wonder Girl would be half-siblings) or post new 52 reboot (where Harry and Wonder Woman would be siblings since her history was changed to have Zeus as her father).

My thanks for any feedback on the idea. And apologies if I mistakenly broke a forum rule somewhere along the line :rolleyes:

GrayFox
03-05-2012, 06:20 PM
I'll give anything(that isn't slash) a fair try, if you create this I promise to read at least the first chapter.

Republic
03-06-2012, 06:24 AM
How would you explain the fact that Harry looks essentially the same as James Potter in that scenario?

Thaumologist
03-06-2012, 06:39 AM
Zeus is a shape-shifting God, and he steals the correct DNA and then supercharges it with powers when he turns into something.

Or a belief based thing. Lily believes the child is James', so does James, Sirius, Remus... in fact, everyone who knows of the child, except the Gods, believe Harry to be James' son. This belief actually alters him so that he does look like James' son. Uncannily so - hence all the "you look exactly like James did, but with Lily's eyes" comments.

Oruma
03-06-2012, 10:16 AM
So...Harry Potter and the Olympians, then?

Glimmervoid
03-06-2012, 10:38 AM
How would you explain the fact that Harry looks essentially the same as James Potter in that scenario?
It doesnít need to be an either/or kind of deal. Take Theseus for example. His mum slept with both the god Poseidon and her husband, King Aegeus, on the same night, and Theseus was born the child of all three.

Republic
03-06-2012, 10:43 AM
It doesnít need to be an either/or kind of deal. Take Theseus for example. His mum slept with both the god Poseidon and her husband, King Aegeus, on the same night, and Theseus was born the child of all three.
I am familiar with Greek mythology. It doesn't mean it's any less retarded.

But hey, to each his own.

Glimmervoid
03-06-2012, 10:49 AM
I am familiar with Greek mythology. It doesn't mean it's any less retarded.

But hey, to each his own.
The whole concept of demi-gods is pretty stupid if approached from a modern perspective (with knowledge of genetics and what not). If we set modern knowledge aside or assign some special property to gods which lets them breed with humans, then the three parent thing isn't any more stupid than any other part.

Andro
03-06-2012, 10:54 AM
The three parent thing is retarded, much more so than the demigod concept. I'm stunned the Greeks let it stand and not bar it from their mythology.

Republic
03-06-2012, 11:08 AM
The three parent thing is retarded, much more so than the demigod concept. I'm stunned the Greeks let it stand and not bar it from their mythology.
I assume that we did. I have a fascination with mythology, and know my fair bit about Theseus, but I never knew this particular detail.

Not particularly happy now that I know, either.

Warheart
03-06-2012, 11:41 AM
Hey, don't hate on the greeks. All mythology is kinda retarded, if taken literally. From indian to egyptian, all myths involving pantheons of gods may seem pretty stupid to us. To be honest, I always found some of the charecters in Hindu Myths to be blatant Gary Stues. That doesn't decrease their spiritual and cultural significance.

Jormungandr
03-06-2012, 01:06 PM
I know that the 'Other' Gods in DC have been given a bad rep', but I'd like to see something to do with the Celtic gods.

Or even some obscure pantheon, one not normally used.

GrayFox
03-06-2012, 01:24 PM
Aboriginal Gods from australia

Zyphere
03-06-2012, 02:28 PM
How would you explain the fact that Harry looks essentially the same as James Potter in that scenario?

This whole idea just came to me yesterday, but what's going through my mind at the moment is the possibility of having one of the other gods/goddesses interfering and modifying his appearance. Maybe Athena who's believed to have watched over the various heroes of mythology. I'm just cycling through the various deities and trying to find one that fits.

What I'm failing to do is finding a reason as to why his his appearance would change (hiding him, protection, etc.), and the consequences of it being done (No blood ties whatsoever to the Potters).

I know that the 'Other' Gods in DC have been given a bad rep', but I'd like to see something to do with the Celtic gods.

Or even some obscure pantheon, one not normally used.

I'm not too familiar with any of the other deities in DC, but I'll look into it.


And yeah, mythology can get rather strange at times. I just read today that the origin of the milky way is Hera's scattered breastmilk as a result of being tricked into breastfeeding Heracles. Never going to look at that constellation the same way again :rolleyes:

Portus
03-06-2012, 02:52 PM
And yeah, mythology can get rather strange at times. I just read today that the origin of the milky way is Hera's scattered breastmilk as a result of being tricked into breastfeeding Heracles. Never going to look at that constellation the same way again :rolleyes:

Better than a Zeus money-shot though, amirite?

And of course there's always Danae...

Jormungandr
03-06-2012, 09:25 PM
Creation myths are usually fucked-up.

Makes you wonder about mankind's subconscious; I mean, the Greek Gods were all into incest, as well as adultry...

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I've just found a small treasure trove!

I haven't checked out any of the stories yet, but I'm doing so now; don't fry me if they're poor in quality. :)

http://archiveofourown.org/users/Captain_Emily/works

Oruma
03-06-2012, 11:41 PM
Incest
Adultery

Sounds like DLP's kind of thing, then.

Tasoli
03-07-2012, 06:35 AM
Thats what I thought at first as well.

Then I realised even DLP would be hard pressed to follow some of the familial connections. Like one god (can't remember his name) married to his sister had a child who is girl. that god also fucked his own daughter/nephew and has another child. Now think if that child married to another child who has family to similar to his own who also related to each other. At some point following this connections is like chasing your own tail.

Andro
03-07-2012, 11:22 PM
Guys, I'm killing myself trying to come up with a great title for a Batman/HP crossover.

I posted the initial framework for the plot here: https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showpost.php?p=544095&postcount=104. It doesn't have to have any relation necessarily, but in case something comes to mind. You know.

But not being able to come up with a title is killing me. Anyone have any ideas? Just throw stuff at me. ;_;

GrayFox
03-07-2012, 11:33 PM
Gotham's Strange Revelation?

Strange Magic?

Gotham's Strange Experiment?

The Pressure of a Strange Legacy?

Gotham's Greatest Legacy?

I'll keep thinking

Andro
03-07-2012, 11:38 PM
It doesn't have to directly reference anything related to Gotham. Maybe something with stranger in it? To play on Hugo Strange while also capturing the theme of Bruce's father being a stranger to him. Like:

To a Stranger
The Stranger in Red
Chasing Strangers

Unrelated to that, something like Every Shadow Has Its Name?

GrayFox
03-07-2012, 11:47 PM
Chasing Strangers is good, maybe A Stranger's Legacy. For the fact that bruce has to deal with Wayne Enterprises as well?

Andro
03-07-2012, 11:58 PM
Wait...

Wait. I've got it.

The Stranger on the Other Side of the Door

Doesn't it sound right?

T3t
03-07-2012, 11:59 PM
Lifting the Shadowed Veil (Curtain?)

Oops. Sniped by the next page!

Andro
03-08-2012, 12:17 AM
That's not a bad title, but it's lacking in character somewhat.

The Stranger on the Other Side of the Door is a little longwinded, and the way it looks and rolls of the tongue is ruined a little by how many 'the's there are.

The Stranger in Red? Kind of after The King in Yellow.

Goddamn, this is hard.

Sooner90
03-08-2012, 12:18 AM
A Strange in a stranger land?

Oruma
03-08-2012, 12:40 AM
Knight and Wizard.

Or

Knight and Wizard, in darkness shrouded

Or

Wizard and Knight, in Strangest Night

GrayFox
03-08-2012, 12:57 AM
A Strange Knight for a Wizard

........
.......
errr nevermind, that sounds like a slash story

Break

Knight and Wizard, Lifting a Strange Veil?

Republic
03-08-2012, 03:51 AM
Struggles of the Black Court (meaning Batman and whatever allies he has, with the eventual addition of Harry)

Green on Black Background (simple enough)

Secrets of Wayne (referring to the company)

The Door that Refused to Open (hinting on the mystery)

Eh, not sure if they're like what you're looking for. I quite liked T3t's idea. In any case, good luck with your story. Plot looks interesting. But does it have to be Batman Beyond?

ChaosGuy
03-08-2012, 04:27 AM
How about A Strange Kingdom? Gotham has a knight, a wizard, a jester, a prince in the form of Bruce Wayne, and many people trying to be the king of Gotham so it kind of fits.

freak
03-08-2012, 04:45 AM
What about "I really don't like you"?

Andro
03-08-2012, 11:20 AM
I really like The Struggles of the Black Court, and A Strange Kingdom is brilliant. Thanks a lot guys.

I still want to add one more component of A Strange Kingdom. Just something like "Nightfall in a Strange Kingdom"? Make A Strange Kingdom the foundation of the title but something else to round it off.

Swimdraconian
03-08-2012, 12:08 PM
White Hat, Black Court?

/ripoff of a ripoff of a ripoff

Silens Cursor
03-08-2012, 12:31 PM
Hmmm...

'Curse Of A Strange Kingdom' - if you're looking to tie in the notion of magic to the whole concept.

'Chosen Of A Strange Kingdom' - this, I like, because it links Harry (as the Chosen One) and the concept of Batman as a chosen protector.

samkar
03-08-2012, 02:02 PM
A Strangler in Strange Tights.

Republic
03-08-2012, 03:09 PM
I really like The Struggles of the Black Court, and A Strange Kingdom is brilliant. Thanks a lot guys.

I still want to add one more component of A Strange Kingdom. Just something like "Nightfall in a Strange Kingdom"? Make A Strange Kingdom the foundation of the title but something else to round it off.
Is Strange really going to be the main villain? The vibe I got off of reading your story was the Strange was just the beginning of something bigger. A conspiracy in which Strange is only a small part of.
But if Strange will be your main antagonist, then ok. Naturally, I'd prefer if you went with my suggestion :) I don't really like "Strange" being the center of the title.

A few questions. You said you'll use the Batman Beyond setting, no? The one in future-Gotham? Will you keep Bruce as the Batman instead of the punk the show is using? And what about Strange? Shouldn't he have died of old age by now?
But then you also said that Bruce is in the beginning of his Batman career. This is confusing me. Some clarifications please?

It's possible that I'm just confusing several things together, but eh.

Edit:
A Strangler in Strange Tights.
Accidental awesome?

Andro
03-08-2012, 04:15 PM
I said not Batman Beyond. I only mentioned it in that thread because the poster before me in that thread referenced it. And the context of Bruce being at the beginning of his crimefighting career should have made that clear.

Jormungandr
03-08-2012, 04:20 PM
Sounds to me that he's just using a 'general' DC setting; nothing too specific such as -for examples- Batman: The Brave and the Bold or Justice League: Animated (which is the best, imho; allows more creative room, and allows elements from parallel DC universes -such as Powergirl and Supergirl, as two more examples- to be used, at the same time).

If Harry is the key component to the plot, the title should reference him directly in some way, not everything else in general.

Depending on his character, something about death, vengeance, or fury could be used.

Raven is one choice due to its symbolism with life and death, but because of the color of his hair and the poor use of that poetic meaning in piss-poor grade ffn fanfiction, it may not be a wise choice.

Republic
03-08-2012, 04:27 PM
I said not Batman Beyond. I only mentioned it in that thread because the poster before me in that thread referenced it. And the context of Bruce being at the beginning of his crimefighting career should have made that clear.

Gotcha. My bad then.

What about Strange?

samkar
03-08-2012, 05:02 PM
Accidental awesome?

Intentionally awesome.:rolleyes:

Tasoli
03-08-2012, 06:37 PM
Shadows of A Strange Kingdom

Alive and Free
03-09-2012, 12:49 AM
@Zyphere - the Zeus as Harry's father idea was where I was going with the idea before I got caught up in RL. As for Harry looking like James there's an easy explanation; he doesn't, not really.

He gets his black hair from Zeus and it's messy because he never combs it and he wears glasses because he's got bad eyesight. The resemblance is mostly in people's minds.

Or, he does look like James because Zeus' children take their appearance from the form he was using when he got their mother's pregnant.

I know I'm a couple of days late to the conversation but this is the first time I've been able to get on DLP in a week.

yak
03-09-2012, 03:28 AM
Strange Shadows

Whether Hugo Strange is just the trigger, or the main antagonist, all of the following events have been influenced by him. Ergo, they're Strange's shadows. I assume that Batman doesn't catch up to Strange for a while so he's "chasing shadows", which also fits in with the conspiracy motif. And Batman is rather notorious for his strange shadows, whether it's the bat symbol in the clouds or his silhouette falling over criminals below.

Zircon
03-09-2012, 07:02 PM
What's your progress Andro? I've got about .5 K of about 4 for my first chapter, which may grow as large as 7.

Been working on my other work mainly, as well as reading Sacrifices and Incorruptible.

Jormungandr
03-10-2012, 06:43 PM
If anyone's interested, I've...acquired the DC Encyclopedia; both the 2004 and 2009 editions.

If you want them, PM me your e-mails, and I'll .rar them up for you.

(You'll need WinRAR to open the actual files, due to it being in comic format).

Alive and Free
03-15-2012, 12:20 AM
Has anyone considered using the Zeus-is-Harry's-Father storyline and dropping Harry into the New 52 Wonder Woman comics?

Jormungandr
03-15-2012, 01:11 AM
Father...I don't really see happening, because that'd invalidate a key part of the series (his parents).

It'd also be a bit close to the whole 'Percy Jackson' premise.

However, Zeus as Harry's grandfather is something I could see happening; perhaps not his mother, due to Harry seeing his relatives (knobbly knees and green eyes from his mother's side) in the Mirror of Erised, but James...

Then again, it'd only take one mortal, maternal grandparent/relative to keep the whole 'green eyed' thing thrown down a family line - say, the maternal grandmother?

Unfortunately enough, it'd also make Petunia 'special', as well as Dudley.

It'd also line-up with Lily's sacrifice; her death sparking Zeus' anger, and Voldemort's sudden...disembodiment.

It would also be a good kick-start for a character dynamic between Harry and Diana/the Amazons; Diana, finding out about her dead sister, and her gaining of a nephew.

Especially if Harry takes an anti-hero sort of route; the character interaction between the two would be golden, though the line between development and pointless angst would be very, very fine.

Zircon
03-15-2012, 01:39 AM
Doesn't have to make Petunia and D special, Zeus LOVES to bed married women.

Jormungandr
03-15-2012, 01:56 AM
Ah, true - half-sister Petunia. :)

Zyphere
03-15-2012, 09:09 AM
Has anyone considered using the Zeus-is-Harry's-Father storyline and dropping Harry into the New 52 Wonder Woman comics?

I've been considering the idea, but have been so busy recently.

What jormungandr and Gambit mentioned has crossed my mind. AFAIK, we really don't have much established facts about Lily and Petunia's family.

*Imagine's Voldemort being fried courtesy of Zeus' anger :D*

Up until a week ago, I didn't know much about the Percy Jackson series. After looking it up though, the original Zeus = Father idea is eerily similar to it :rolleyes:

Fun things I like about this idea are the challenges canon Harry faces each year (ie Fluffy and it's relation to Cerberus, Basilisks and Medusa and Gorgons, etc)

Jormungandr
03-15-2012, 04:58 PM
We don't know that much about Harry's extended family;

Some facts point to Charlus and Dorea (nee Black) Potter being James' parents, but other facts don't add up (dates, specifically). This could be explained by JKR's piss-poor math skills, but still...

They did take Sirius in when James and he were at Hogwarts, and they died 'long before' Harry was born.

His maternal family is, aside from Petunia and Dudley, a fair mystery, too.

They also died before Harry was born, of 'natural causes' (no foul play), and when Harry looks into the Mirror of Erised, he sees green eyed relatives/shades.

GrayFox
03-15-2012, 05:26 PM
Perhaps his mom was the only Evan's with green eyes (recessive gene that just decided to show up) and he only believes that all of her relatives will, because noone has told him otherwise.

Jormungandr
03-15-2012, 07:10 PM
Could be; we don't know if, for example, Lily's mother had green eyes, or if her father did. Her grandmother or grandfather, for example, could have had green eyes, and Lily's parents blue or even pink with purple spots.

Erised probably shows Harry what he expected to see of family (he has green eyes, his mother had green eyes, and ergo, his maternal grandparent(s?) must have green eyes), not what actually was.

Tasoli
03-16-2012, 05:03 PM
For all we know Erised might be showing the truth.

It is a magical mirror you know.

Jormungandr
03-16-2012, 05:55 PM
Maybe, but 'heart's desire' may not be truth/reality.

Dumbledore, for example. Riddle standing tall and immortal, another. (From one of JKR's interviews).

Tasoli
03-16-2012, 08:54 PM
Not this realty certainly but like I said it is magical mirror maybe he would look like that if he was immortal.

Of course I am not saying you are wrong you are probably right but there isn't any canon evidence either way.

Jormungandr
03-24-2012, 11:05 PM
So I'm in a bit of a bind, right now; I'm not sure which path to follow.


I sort of want to do elements of all three but, due to their natures, they cannot be combined.
Each have a Cthulhu-like feeling to them.




Follows a Power of Oa/Boy Who Lived and the Last Lantern format.
The back-story has Harry raised with Kara, and they have a complicated relationship dynamic. Everything looks to be happy, with everyone farting rainbows.
By the time-frame of the actual story, when Harry is in his late-teens/early twenties, He is estranged from his adopted League family – ties between them are tense, with them unsure of his motivations, goals, and methods, and he's sometimes seen consorting with the criminal elite/super-villains; he has however, to their knowledge, not 'gone evil', and become involved with any of their schemes.
He is more of a ruthless anti-hero, especially due to the nature of his powers, though he does maintain a close relationship with Kara, Dinah Lance, and Batgirl/Oracle.
(The former due to their history/complicated romantic entanglements, the mid due to Dinah being romantically interested in him, and the latter because -after researching Harry- she believes that he could be 'redeemed', much to his annoyance).

In his own words, “Kara's the only real thing keeping me human.”

Poison Ivy also has some sort of weird fixation with him; he's on the finely edged line between maternal and romantic.

This would be set in a pre-New 52, no specific 'world', with elements chucked in from everywhere and anywhere.


Another pre-New 52.

Arriving via a meteor of magical fury, a Master of Death Harry/Angel of Death Harry smashes into down-town Gotham, shrieking in agony, his consciousness shattered, his memories scattered, his body changing, growing, and adapting.

His arrival is felt by a variety of beings stretched across the cosmos; the League is alerted due to their resident Man-Hunter suddenly falling to the ground, screaming.

He flees into Gotham, the League trying to find him, his fractured mind perceiving everyone and thing, alongside their motivations, as twisted, demonic versions of themselves.

After running and battling (indirectly showing the reader his new powers, such as casually throwing a dumpster at Wonder Woman like it was an aluminium can), the strain is eventually too much and he collapses, caught by Kara before he hits the ground.

Information on his altered Hogwarts days would be revealed through glimpses/references in the text, as well as scattered memories – this is to give the reader the gist of what happened in the past, without rehashing it in an info-dump.

Death of the Endless would have a role, too; due to his nature, she sort of sees him as a pseudo-sibling or cousin, as do a lot of the other Endless.


New-52: similar to the above, except that Harry arrives at the same time and -coincidentally- the same location as Supergirl, in Siberia.

Dazed, confused, and a little amnesiac, he's accosted at the same time by the Response Team, and he undergoes a similar sort of thing with Supergirl's 'charging', where her powers randomly came into play – his being the ambient magic/energy that life generates.

All he can remember is a mysterious, anxious-looking woman called Pandora, telling him that, “You were never meant to be; you are the catalyst, one on the road to either salvation... or damnation.”

After circumstances force the two strangers to work together, covering each others backs, they try to communicate with each other, with little success.

Clark then arrives, shit goes down, and Kara is separated from Harry, despite his involvement in their family 'squabble'.

Harry is reunited with Kara when he's caught up in the same web that Kara is, as they see him as another valuable resource. The divergence becomes complete then when they stick together, telling Kara's now AU story and Harry's own.






The latter would be easier, due to the reboot, the former two would allow for a lot more, due to the rich back-stories and histories involved.


Any thoughts on what I should do?


Oh, and it looks like this thread has spawned of a small, DC/HP sub-community.

Awesome.

digitalstorm
03-25-2012, 12:08 AM
I like the Harry x Kara aspects of your plot bunnies. Of the three the second idea is the one that has hooked my interest the most.

Tasoli
03-25-2012, 02:42 AM
I vote for 2nd one as well.

chriar
03-25-2012, 02:58 AM
I vote for either the second or third, leaning towards the third.

Ryuugi Shi
03-25-2012, 03:30 AM
Second as well.

Thaumologist
03-25-2012, 04:21 AM
The first, although I wouldn't mind the second.

Republic
03-25-2012, 05:09 AM
Tentatively voting for the second, but I would like you to elaborate on the first, and maybe flesh out the second a bit more.

Warheart
03-25-2012, 08:58 AM
I'd like to see where you take the second one. But the first one also deserves a go at the very least.

Bill Door
03-25-2012, 09:06 AM
Second. Definitely the second.

Oruma
03-25-2012, 12:30 PM
Seconding the second one. The third one, being at where Kara is in Siberia, requires from the readers more Suspension of Disbelief and frankly, not as interesting as the other two.

yak
03-25-2012, 01:18 PM
I'm a fan of the first scenario, but the multiple female romantic interests in Harry seem more than a bit Sue-ish. If they're competing interests, then they could make for a decent source of conflict.

I'm not sure where you're going with “Kara's the only real thing keeping me human”, but it smells a little emo. I'd hope that Harry's "inhumanity" or "wrongness compared to social norms" is something which he's aware of, but is generally unapologetic for. A good comparison would be the Dexter's attitude towards his own inhuman nature. Dex knows he's wrong inside, but doesn't let it concern him most of the time. His sister is the only constant keeping him a little in touch with his humanity; at times others have filled this role, but only until the writers removed them. I only bring Deborah up because Kara could fill a similar anchoring role in Harry's life.

The second scenario is an okay introduction of Harry's character to DC-verse but that's all it is; an introduction. What's the ongoing plot direction or conflict?

The third scenario seems like you're pushing too hard to force Harry and Kara together.

freak
03-25-2012, 02:11 PM
Second one sounds something like a story which is complex for reader to enjoy.

I would go with the first idea because there are not many enjoyable stories out there and we need atleast some before going into complex stories.

Jormungandr
03-25-2012, 02:30 PM
So the third is completely out, then; although there is some interest in the first, most is focused on the second.

I'm a fan of the first scenario, but the multiple female romantic interests in Harry seem more than a bit Sue-ish. If they're competing interests, then they could make for a decent source of conflict.



Yeah, they're competing; Harry grew up in tandem with Kara, so she knows him the best - that's why, despite what's currently going on with him, she still has faith in him. Their relationship dynamic would be very complex.

Black Canary would be the third point in a triangle; she's attracted to Harry, Harry's in a bit of a dark place at the moment due to fate/circumstances and so is pretty messed up, Oliver is attracted to Black Canary, and this causes tension between the League members, because he's a little jaded towards Harry.

Batgirl started having a crush on him, and flirted/bantered with him - this pretty much pissed Kara off, and caused a bit of tension in their friendship, but when she became Oracle and Harry went 'off the rails' (the time-frame of the story), whatever they have now is purely platonic, though she does often wonder 'What if?'



I'm not sure where you're going with ďKara's the only real thing keeping me humanĒ, but it smells a little emo. I'd hope that Harry's "inhumanity" or "wrongness compared to social norms" is something which he's aware of, but is generally unapologetic for. A good comparison would be the Dexter's attitude towards his own inhuman nature. Dex knows he's wrong inside, but doesn't let it concern him most of the time. His sister is the only constant keeping him a little in touch with his humanity; at times others have filled this role, but only until the writers removed them. I only bring Deborah up because Kara could fill a similar anchoring role in Harry's life.



Pretty much; past history and confused-feelings muddle things with him and Kara, and she's basically the only thing, that little voice/conscience in the back of his head, that stops him from literally stringing Joker up by his intestines whilst tearing out his spine for a harmonica.

I'm probably going to have a little trouble walking the fine edge between emo/angst and keeping things on track, but if I'm careful, I may be able to pull it off.



The second scenario is an okay introduction of Harry's character to DC-verse but that's all it is; an introduction. What's the ongoing plot direction or conflict?



Harry's pulled, kicking and screaming, into the DCU to become the foil of an ancient, horrifying evil. I'm taking inspiration from the Cthulhu mythos (the theme, tone, etc) for this. This would form the 'backbone' of the plot, while numerous arcs/'ribs' (which develop the story/characters/relationships) kick in, leading up the end of the over-arching plot/the 'Big Bad'.



The third scenario seems like you're pushing too hard to force Harry and Kara together.

Yeah, now that you mention it...

Amoral Philosopher
03-25-2012, 04:26 PM
My vote is definitely for the second premise. It seems to have the most intriguing plot, not to mention anything involving the Endless is awesome.

The first option comes in at a distant second, but still sounds interesting enough.

yak
03-25-2012, 05:29 PM
I definitely want to read the first scenario now.

Does Oracle sorta support Black Canary in her pursuit of Harry? Oliver/Green Arrow is a giant douche and if Oracle thinks that she can save both of her friends by pushing Harry and BC together, then she might try to manipulate the situation... and perhaps subconsciously live her "What if?" relationship vicariously through BC.

Oh, dear. Now you've got me wildly speculating. The fic seems to draw its strength from character interactions. Not easy, but rewarding.

You haven't mentioned a specific plot beyond the character conflicts between heroes. Is this going to be primarily a character driven story, or is it action driven and you're keeping quiet about the plot details?

The second scenario seems to have an action driven plot, which is something I usually prefer, but not always. One problem you might have with it is keeping the reader engaged with an insane, hallucinating Harry Potter for what seems like a fairly lengthy introduction and running fight sequence until he presumably runs into eventual sanity/Kara. It can be hard for the reader to relate with an insane character.

I like the idea of drawing on Lovecraftian horror for tone. Will Harry have cultists? Nasty little buggers who cut lightning scars into their foreheads, [insert nasty behaviours which venerate HP here], and worship the Chosen One.

If you can't decide which scenario to go with, then you could write a test scene from both and see what they look like.

Sero Dace
03-26-2012, 04:18 AM
A long time ago, I posted a search request for a long HP/Spiderman crossover. Today, by accident, I stumbled over it. It is old, it is barely recommendable, both in writing and plot, but it was a guilty pleasure and at the time I thought it to be a great story.

I am going to reread it know and perhaps add a better review here, since the story isn't mentioned in this thread as far as I can tell. Shame, because it is 172K words already.

Marvel Knights by texaswookie

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3607384/1/Marvel_Knights

Alive and Free
03-26-2012, 06:10 AM
@Jorm: I have to ask this question because I've learned not to assume when it comes to DLP - Harry isn't in his native dimension, right?

Also, the first option: what do you mean about Harry's powers being the reason for him being dark?

Zyphere
03-26-2012, 02:24 PM
+1 for the first option because of the inclusion of Black Canary/Dinah Lance and Batgirl/Oracle/Barbara. I miss the days of Gail Simone's run on Birds of Prey :rolleyes:

Jormungandr
03-26-2012, 09:42 PM
I definitely want to read the first scenario now.

Does Oracle sorta support Black Canary in her pursuit of Harry? Oliver/Green Arrow is a giant douche and if Oracle thinks that she can save both of her friends by pushing Harry and BC together, then she might try to manipulate the situation... and perhaps subconsciously live her "What if?" relationship vicariously through BC.



You know, I never actually considered that. That's pretty fucking awesome; mind if I use it?



Oh, dear. Now you've got me wildly speculating. The fic seems to draw its strength from character interactions. Not easy, but rewarding.

You haven't mentioned a specific plot beyond the character conflicts between heroes. Is this going to be primarily a character driven story, or is it action driven and you're keeping quiet about the plot details?

Little of both, but mainly for the former; character interactions and development are my weakest, and I want to build up/work on this angle/skill.


The second scenario seems to have an action driven plot, which is something I usually prefer, but not always. One problem you might have with it is keeping the reader engaged with an insane, hallucinating Harry Potter for what seems like a fairly lengthy introduction and running fight sequence until he presumably runs into eventual sanity/Kara. It can be hard for the reader to relate with an insane character.

I like the idea of drawing on Lovecraftian horror for tone. Will Harry have cultists? Nasty little buggers who cut lightning scars into their foreheads, [insert nasty behaviours which venerate HP here], and worship the Chosen One.

If he starts batshit insane, and then slowly stabilises (if you can call it that) into being just unbalanced (being the catalyst so the narrative can eventually become more traditional), would that work?


If you can't decide which scenario to go with, then you could write a test scene from both and see what they look like.I may have to; I'm really torn between one and two.

A long time ago, I posted a search request for a long HP/Spiderman crossover. Today, by accident, I stumbled over it. It is old, it is barely recommendable, both in writing and plot, but it was a guilty pleasure and at the time I thought it to be a great story.

I am going to reread it know and perhaps add a better review here, since the story isn't mentioned in this thread as far as I can tell. Shame, because it is 172K words already.

Marvel Knights by texaswookie

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3607384/1/Marvel_Knights

I'll check it out; thanks, man!

@Jorm: I have to ask this question because I've learned not to assume when it comes to DLP - Harry isn't in his native dimension, right?


Power of Oa/Last Lantern have the two universes in the same time/space, though there are so many problems with that (especially with DC's vast background/histories) that it can be crippling.

Thing is, if I go for one and have him dumped into another dimension, that'd leave his original story untold/Voldemort still around - I may as well write a 'from scratch' OC with black hair and green eyes, and call him Harry Potter, if I do that .

So, kinda flummoxed on that, currently.



Also, the first option: what do you mean about Harry's powers being the reason for him being dark?I've got a rough idea, but I need to hammer it all down in a proper character sketch; it's all a bit of a mess, at the moment, but I can say that his powers wouldn't be the things that make him 'dark', but be a sympton of it.

+1 for the first option because of the inclusion of Black Canary/Dinah Lance and Batgirl/Oracle/Barbara. I miss the days of Gail Simone's run on Birds of Prey :rolleyes:

I have no idea what's going on with the New 52 version; Poison Ivy? :facepalm

I gotta admit though, Black Canary's reinvented costume is the only good-looking one in the New 52, atm.

yak
03-26-2012, 10:42 PM
You know, I never actually considered that. That's pretty fucking awesome; mind if I use it?

Of course not. Use whatever you want. :)

If he starts batshit insane, and then slowly stabilises (if you can call it that) into being just unbalanced (being the catalyst so the narrative can eventually become more traditional), would that work?

You need advice from some good fanfic authors about that. I've got no idea.

I may have to; I'm really torn between one and two.

:awesome If you're stuck, then solicit WbA for opinions on the two test pieces. You might hook some great advice.

Power of Oa/Last Lantern have the two universes in the same time/space, though there are so many problems with that (especially with DC's vast background/histories) that it can be crippling.

Thing is, if I go for one and have him dumped into another dimension, that'd leave his original story untold/Voldemort still around - I may as well write a 'from scratch' OC with black hair and green eyes, and call him Harry Potter, if I do that .

You could always draw inspiration from the world of comic books if you want to have Harry crossover from his native 'verse to DC's. When HP characters react to his death/disappearance, you can cut away with a simple note: [* The Wizarding World's story is continued in Neville Longbottom and his Amazing Chlorophyll Army, Issue #1!]. That gives enough information that readers know that the HP'verse story continues, and because you framed it as a comic book story the reader subconsciously knows that eventually the good guys win.

Alive and Free
03-27-2012, 02:54 AM
Since you're going pre-New 52 and just using DC elements, not established plot lines, you could have metas and superheroes be a recent thing, elminating the clash between the wizarding world and their background.

You could, as a subplot, have how the emerging superheroes (particularly the ones who are magical in nature) threaten to unravel the Statute of Secrecy - at least that's an idea I might try and work into the story I'm trying to put together.

Jon
03-27-2012, 03:57 AM
You cunts.

I want to read more HP/Comic crosses now. :(

fucking update Clash of the Titans, Sinclair. :|

Jormungandr
03-27-2012, 04:51 AM
Could try writing one yourself, Jon; seems this thread has kicked off a little wave.

Also, you too, Syaoran; I know you're lurking in this thread, ya bastard. :)

Sero Dace
03-27-2012, 06:58 AM
I would write one if I actually had the time and writing skills to pull it off. however, when thinking about it, I am faced with many of the same problems that Jor is. How to make the crossover work?

I think you should look into the writing of The Writer With no Name and his amazing marvel/DC crossover, bringing both worlds together rather smoothly. His writing is at times too fluffy and probably way too detailed and descriptive for the average DLP'er, but his stories are, the plots deviate more and more from canon as the two worlds entwine, starting with a young Superman joining the X-men Evolution verse, gradually delving into the rest of the world, a whole cast of characters, the Justice League and a pretty detailed historical, cultural and technological insight into Krypton. And unlike Ben10987654321, who focuses mostly on romance and drama in his stories, Writer has plenty of action. One of my favorite stories on FFN. You should like into the blending of origins to make it work. (For example, one of the chapters in book 3, with MXLPCLT (sp?), that fourth dimension is interwoven smoothly with Marvel's Thor)

Alternatively, you can go for the dimensional travel like in Terminal Justice. I don't know how old or powerful you want to make Harry initially, but if you intend for him to be one of the Endless, he could actually become one of the inter-dimensional beings or gain inter-dimensional responsibilities as the 'Master of Death', acting as a semi-mortal agent of Death (especially if the actual death is like the cool guy from the Supernatural Teelevision show) to restore balances in his own unique way. Or, one thing I explored is drunk apparition as the start of ending up in the wrong dimension. I didn't handle it very well, myself, but at least it isn't too cliche to my knowledge. This could lead to a frantic harry looking for a way home, even explaining a light insanity as he might think this is all an elaborate hallucination, mind game or curse...

I personally don't see a full crossover, with both verses being on the same world working well, unless you go more AU with HP-canon. If the Statute of Secrecy is broken, it would lead to a massive power disparity. A mere hundred Superheroes, few of which can actually defend against magic, with many of the powerhouses outright vulnerable to it or vulnerable to things that magic can easily produce/conjure (ex: Martian - Incendio), against a million or more wizards worldwide, even if most of those don't get involved, is undoable. Unless...

If you count Durmstrang, Beauxbatons and Hogwarts as the ONLY magical schools in Europe, one would get a much smaller population. In the wake of a much more wide-spread and devastating Blood War, there might be little left in the way of the Wizarding World and perhaps the backlash of whatever 'final' moment having been the catalyst that leads to the increasing amount of Metahumans and beings like Zatanna and Fate entering the scene?

Alive and Free
03-27-2012, 07:21 AM
So, Iíve got a couple of ideas for a crossover. Oneís influenced by Power of Oa and its rewrite in the family dynamic between HP and the League but Iím not sure if thatís going to get off the ground. Iíve got another one where Zeus is Harryís grandfather which would drop Harry into the Wonder Woman New 52 comics Ė this would see the Master of Death face off against the Queen of the Gods (Iím not sure how that would work out Ė Iím hovering between a draw and Harry getting his ass kicked).

The story I like most wouldnít really draw on any established DC storylines. Basically Harry Ė who has a different background than in canon Ė ends up in Hell at the age of 19, despite being the only apprentice of Albus Dumbledore, the defeater of Voldemort and a fully empowered Master of Death. Being Harry Potter he breaks out of Hell through the only gate leading to Earth Ė the gate that opens onto Themyscira.

He breaks out and finds himself confronted by the Amazons who react as you might imagine to his presence. In the ensuring dustup Harry incapacitates a bunch of Amazons who donít believe his assertion that heís human and just plain despise him for being male. During the fight no one notices the being that followed Harry out of Hell escaping.

Harry makes good his escape, mere moments before Wonder Woman arrives to help battle the Ďdemoní, sending her off in search for him.

Dot Point Highlights:
Harry discovers that more than a decade has passed in the real world since he was sent to Hell and finds that his friends have moved on without him. He struggles to reconnect with people whoíve built lives after his death.

He finds out that since heís been gone metahumans and superheroes have started appearing around the world.

Diana tracks Harry and while sheís eventually convinced that heís human sheís still wary of the effects that 10 years in Hell might have had on him.

Harry and Diana are forced into an alliance when they realise that something else escaped from Hell. Iím not sure what the something is but itíll probably be influenced by Lovecraft.
And thatís as far as Iíve got.

Thoughts?

Sero Dace
03-27-2012, 08:27 AM
The plot with Harry in Hell could definitely work and lead to an interesting Harry/Diana pairing or interaction. I would be interested for one, though personally, I still see the problem of there being too many wizards and witches to make superheroes effective, unless you make the Wizarding world more isolationistic, giving a good reason for a nearly complete separation from the rest of the world. Perhaps strict guidelines from the muggle governments for the magicals not to interfere at all after the Voldemort debacle?

This would definitely put harry in the middle, as by the time he gets back, he is definitely involved in the DC side of the world...

chriar
03-27-2012, 11:01 AM
An easy way to do the actual crossover would be to start it during flashpoint on the cross between pre 52 and new 52. So have Harry and magic appear as a consequence of the new 52. http://comicscoasttocoast.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/flashpoint_mystery_woman.jpg well the rest of the page at least. Using that you can then make Harry's or magic's appearance a consequence of the Flash's actions. The Flashpoint scenario give many opportunities for Harry to appear.
Another way to have him show up is that's the future that the Flash's mom didn't die in the magical world was forced to reveal themselves and somehow when the Flash goes back to the regular, now New 52 timeline, Harry somehow tags along.

Edit: sorry for the spelling and/or grammar mistakes typing this with 102 fever.

Jormungandr
03-27-2012, 05:28 PM
Is it odd to say that this track is strangely inspiring for an anti-hero/Angel of Death!Harry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6vK9kMwEkc

Zyphere
03-27-2012, 06:13 PM
I have no idea what's going on with the New 52 version; Poison Ivy? :facepalm

I gotta admit though, Black Canary's reinvented costume is the only good-looking one in the New 52, atm.

Yeah, Poison Ivy in the lineup did seem kind of random at the time and the other member is new to DC...I think. To me, Birds of Prey will always be Gail Simone's lineup of Oracle, Black Canary, Huntress, and Zinda.

Black Canary's new outfit still has to grow on me though...Maybe it's just the artist. Ed Bene's version of her outfit is definitive BC for me.

http://blog.newsarama.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10087/Long_Coat_Black_Canary_1.jpg

Something about that coat...:rolleyes:

syed
03-27-2012, 07:03 PM
The whole Harry in Hell might be very good, as DC Hell has that ultimate Library of Magic that Faust was after. SO exposure to such a range of magics would give him a great deal of power.

Jormungandr
03-27-2012, 09:05 PM
...Damn, did Syed just make a sensible post?

Alive and Free
03-27-2012, 11:00 PM
...Damn, did Syed just make a sensible post?

I think so - I'm as shocked as you.

@Syed: I didn't actually consider that. It's definitely something to think about. Thanks.

Tasoli
03-28-2012, 12:43 PM
Dear lord! Apocalypse must be coming. Syed made sense.

Harry passing through hell think is a plot bunny wich I thought to use for Dresden Files crossover.

Nunuh had a story where Harry goes to Hell ,or Abyss or somewhere similar, called The Binding I believe. What happened to that story anyway?