View Full Version : Blackwater Fucks it Up

10-15-2007, 04:40 AM
Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21163806/site/newsweek/)


The colonel was furious. "Can you believe it? They actually drew their weapons on U.S. soldiers." He was describing a 2006 car accident, in which an SUV full of Blackwater operatives had crashed into a U.S. Army Humvee on a street in Baghdad's Green Zone. The colonel, who was involved in a follow-up investigation and spoke on the condition he not be named, said the Blackwater guards disarmed the U.S. Army soldiers and made them lie on the ground at gunpoint until they could disentangle the SUV. His account was confirmed by the head of another private security company.

Private company holds NCO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noncommissioned_Officer#United_States)'s in the US Army, in the Green Zone, at gun point? Smart move.

Whatever else Blackwater is or isn't guilty of—a topic of intense interest in Washington—it has a well-earned reputation in Iraq for arrogance and high-handedness.
With an uproar growing in Congress over Blackwater's alleged excesses, the North Carolina-based company is finding few supporters.

Unlike nearly everyone else who enters the Green Zone, said an American soldier who guards a gate, Blackwater gunmen refuse to stop and clear their weapons of live ammunition once inside. One military contractor, who spoke anonymously for fear of retribution in his industry, recounted the story of a Blackwater operative who answered a Marine officer's order to put his pistol on safety when entering a base post office by saying, "This is my safety," and wiggling his trigger finger in the air.

It gets good:

Until now, private security contractors working for the State Department, as Blackwater does, have effectively not been covered by either U.S. or Iraqi law, or military regulations. A bill that overwhelmingly passed the House last week would close that loophole.

And bad:

But the law would also require the FBI to establish a large-scale presence in Iraq in order to investigate accusations against private contractors.

Also, whenever FBI agents venture into Iraq now they are guarded by ... Blackwater operatives. The bureau has sent a team to Baghdad to investigate the Sept. 16 shooting in Nasoor Square, in which Blackwater guards are accused of killing as many as 17 Iraqi civilians. In order to avoid "even the appearance of any conflict [of interest]," according to an FBI spokesman, the agents will be defended by U.S. government personnel.

In deflecting questions about a drunken Blackwater operative who allegedly shot and killed a bodyguard for Iraqi Vice President Adel Abdul Mahdi in the Green Zone on Christmas Eve last year, Prince said that the employee, later identified as Andrew Moonen, had been fined and fired. But on Friday House Oversight Committee chairman Rep. Henry Waxman released a letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice recounting evidence that Moonen was able to return to Iraq and worked there for another company.

10-15-2007, 04:55 AM
And this honestly surprises you? PMC's (Private Military Contractors/Companies a.k.a. mercenaries) have been THE industry in Iraq ever since we invaded. Blackwater just got caught doing what they've all been guilty of. "Bodyguards" and "Security Specialists" have been operating above and beyond the law since the whole cluster fuck started. Yes, Blackwater is flagrant in their violations but then again the government is paying them more than the real soldiers so maybe they've a reason to get cocky?

And it's hardly new. The ex-Seal-for-hire may be a hollywood cliche but the idea didn't spring fully formed from the head of Zeus. So long as there's been people mad at each other there's been folk willing to do violence for money, or sport, or sadistic gratification, or...

10-15-2007, 05:01 AM
And this honestly surprises you?

No, but not being surprised is no reason not to spread the news. I hadn't heard the details; and DLP is my outlet for sharing shit like this.

I really, really can't wait until Blackwater or some other bullshit company tries this on the wrong fireteam. Their deaths will gratify me.

10-15-2007, 05:17 AM
Link to a page full of links and news stories concerning PMC's and illegal acts. (http://www.primetimecrime.com/Recent/War%20on%20terror/Private%20Military%20Companies.htm) Also profiles of many companies. Of special note, at the very bottom, is Zapata Engineering. Does that name ring any bells? It should, it's a division of Zapata Corporation which was founded in 1953 by George Herbert Walker Bush.

10-15-2007, 10:39 AM
I am not surprised. This is what happens when wars are fought for individual profit rather then for the defense of a society.

Niffler Lord
10-15-2007, 02:20 PM
Just speculation about the part where the BW Op says "this is my safety" *flashes finger*, couldn't the US Officer have pulled out his pistol and said something like "this is mine" *bang*?

For that matter would anyone be even allowed in the Green Zone with out following the rules?

10-15-2007, 05:32 PM
Blackwater... who's played Oblivion? Remember the Blackwood Company from the Fighter's Guild quest line? Anyone else see some similarities?

10-15-2007, 05:47 PM
Was never a member of the fighters guild, though I did kill quite a few of them in my time as a Dark Brother.

On topic, this somehow doesn't surprise me. The whole Iraq "war" has been FUBAR since it started.

10-16-2007, 01:09 AM
Note to self: Do not get caught while causing a ruckus in Iraq. Do not cause shit. Do your job CORRECTLY! Do not piss off Iraqis and US military personnel. They have more guns and more people than you do. Make sure to send CC to Blackwater.

Ah war. A war based on oil, lies, and half truths. What more can you expect?

Niffler Lord
10-17-2007, 02:29 AM
Iraq going FUBAR is a herald to the Middle East going FUBAR. While Saddam was an asshole (to say the least), his government kept the Iranians cautious, while the other arab nations pretended to be good little boys.

Now that power balance has shifted and Iran has no-one to be worried about and the rich Arab nations are still pretending to be good little boys, with US backing. This is a bomb waiting to blow.

Then of course there there's the terrorist breading ground that was formally Iraq. Ironic isn't it.. the war against terror (TWAT) ends up producing more terrorists.

I'm wondering if Iran's going to announce Blackwater as a terrorist organization. Sometimes they seem to be.