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Old 04-19-2017, 04:59 AM   #81
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A profile page with all the story's the user has rated would be interesting to have. Could look similar to the library thread except with user rating instead of community rating.
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Old 04-19-2017, 06:23 AM   #82
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How flexible is vBulletin exactly?

I've always wondered if it was possible to add a third post writing option or even just expand Advanced view.

If you're writing a post that turns into a rant it'd be nice to be able to see more of it than a snippet at a time. Like, I get that some people start writing posts in their chosen word processor then copy and paste but it would be nice to have the option of just seeing more of what you're writing in DLP.
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Old 04-19-2017, 09:48 AM   #83
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How flexible is vBulletin exactly?

I've always wondered if it was possible to add a third post writing option or even just expand Advanced view.

If you're writing a post that turns into a rant it'd be nice to be able to see more of it than a snippet at a time. Like, I get that some people start writing posts in their chosen word processor then copy and paste but it would be nice to have the option of just seeing more of what you're writing in DLP.
In the bottom right of the editor you'll see six dots in a sort of slope shape. Click & Drag it to a larger size. I do wonder if it could be implemented to expand left simultaneously as right.
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Old 04-19-2017, 10:06 AM   #84
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In the bottom right of the editor you'll see six dots in a sort of slope shape. Click & Drag it to a larger size. I do wonder if it could be implemented to expand left simultaneously as right.
Never noticed that before. Can't get it working on mobile though and if possible a third option beside go advanced would be awesome.

Again, it would probably be technically difficult as hell but I can't understate the ease of use having a larger, dedicated post editor built into the site would bring.

It only makes sense, really. DLP is still a site that caters primarily towards writing.
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Old 04-19-2017, 10:27 AM   #85
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Never noticed that before. Can't get it working on mobile though and if possible a third option beside go advanced would be awesome.

Again, it would probably be technically difficult as hell but I can't understate the ease of use having a larger, dedicated post editor built into the site would bring.

It only makes sense, really. DLP is still a site that caters primarily towards writing.
I think this feeds into the need for a better mobile UI.
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Old 04-19-2017, 11:08 AM   #86
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I think this feeds into the need for a better mobile UI.
Well yes, the problems go hand in hand but even if there was a better system for desktop posting I'd be happy. If I'm writing a long post anyway I'd prefer to sit on the desktop and do it. Just would be ideal not to have to copy and paste from Word.


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Old 04-19-2017, 02:04 PM   #87
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Nah, Raven's one step ahead of us; you ask for all the features in the world, but we've already got the only feature that matters: ignore thread.

Checkmate, pezunts.
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Old 04-19-2017, 08:47 PM   #88
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What's the backend DB behind DLP? Someone else could write up a migration script to one of the brand new thingies.

The biggest drawback of vbulletin is probably the lack of extensibility. And the terrible mobile UI.

You don't have to do everything yourself Raven, we have plenty of devs here.
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Old 04-20-2017, 10:19 AM   #89
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The "Works By Author" forum could be moved up a bit. Improving the visibility of the WBA might increase the user engagement.

Also, what does DLP think about Quests in general. I think Harry Potter quests are an underutilized area in this forum. Harry Potter fics and quests receive step-motherly treatment in most major questing sites.

I think it would be an interesting area to explore.
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:17 PM   #90
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I won't even pretend to know how the code works regarding feasibility, but bar people from starring threads in the 'for review' section or the library without also leaving a review/explanation of their vote.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:18 PM   #91
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The subscription thing is ambiguous. It gives you a minimum of two months whereas I'd prefer to donate every month in various amounts depending on available surplus cash.

Also, I'm pretty sure the majority of trouble I have is forgetting my PayPal login so that's not a problem for most people. Maybe it'd be possible to add other services along with PayPal. I hear people talking about Patreon, is that a thing that could work? >_>
You don't have to subscribe at all. The "2 months" bit only takes effect if you toggle "setup subscription".

It seems like the UI could be improved to reduce confusion.

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How flexible is vBulletin exactly?

I've always wondered if it was possible to add a third post writing option or even just expand Advanced view.

If you're writing a post that turns into a rant it'd be nice to be able to see more of it than a snippet at a time. Like, I get that some people start writing posts in their chosen word processor then copy and paste but it would be nice to have the option of just seeing more of what you're writing in DLP.
Maybe something like Medium's no-distraction mode?

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I think this feeds into the need for a better mobile UI.
Agreed, this seems like a big desire. It's pretty rough to do in vB (the number of templates are huge), but it's absolutely necessary.


Orange: desktop sessions, blue: mobile sessions

Much of the drop in desktop sessions can actually be attributed to uBlock Origin and Ghostery.

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What's the backend DB behind DLP? Someone else could write up a migration script to one of the brand new thingies.

The biggest drawback of vbulletin is probably the lack of extensibility. And the terrible mobile UI.

You don't have to do everything yourself Raven, we have plenty of devs here.
Database migration difficulty isn't necessarily the concern. We do have a lot of time invested in the vBulletin platform its self that would also require considerable time to port. We have many many different plugins enabled to make DLP DLP.

I will give serious consideration to Xenforo and all the others mentioned, but I think that's perhaps longer term. It would be nice to be on something receiving active updates.

That said, I think the #1 barrier to new members is likely the lack of a workable mobile UI. The world runs on phones and tablets these days, if we don't do that then we'll quickly become more irrelevant since engagement will drop.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:22 PM   #92
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I won't even pretend to know how the code works regarding feasibility, but bar people from starring threads in the 'for review' section or the library without also leaving a review/explanation of their vote.
I feel like this will lead to fewer ratings without an appreciable increase in comments/reviews.

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Agreed, this seems like a big desire. It's pretty rough to do in vB (the number of templates are huge), but it's absolutely necessary.


Orange: desktop sessions, blue: mobile sessions
Do you have any statistics for whether those people are using the existing iPhone theme? If they're all using the full DLP theme, a temporary solution would be to use media queries in the CSS to adjust the layout. It's not ideal for a number of reasons, such as the fact that you'd probably end up loading a tonne of data you then hide via CSS, but it would increase the usability in the short term.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:44 PM   #93
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That said, I think the #1 barrier to new members is likely the lack of a workable mobile UI. The world runs on phones and tablets these days, if we don't do that then we'll quickly become more irrelevant since engagement will drop.
I know nothing about web development, so this question is asked out of ignorance:

If there is the demand for a more modern full web UI/system anyway, and for a more functional mobile UI, do the more modern web platforms have this built-in? Would you be able to kill both birds with one stone and have less long-term hassle, even if it meant more work in the short term? Or would you have to build both independently anyway?

Since we have a bunch of developers around anyway, maybe you could have a contest, or crowd-source some submissions. enembee's thing a page back looked pretty good.
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Old 04-20-2017, 10:12 PM   #94
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I feel like this will lead to fewer ratings without an appreciable increase in comments/reviews.
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Do you have any statistics for whether those people are using the existing iPhone theme? If they're all using the full DLP theme, a temporary solution would be to use media queries in the CSS to adjust the layout. It's not ideal for a number of reasons, such as the fact that you'd probably end up loading a tonne of data you then hide via CSS, but it would increase the usability in the short term.
The existing iPhone theme is fucking horrid though. Like I know it exists and actively choose not to use it.
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FWIW, we're seriously considering a move to Xenforo. I do love vBulletin, but maybe it's time to move on given that we have no intentions of moving from vB 3.8.x, and it won't be receiving updates any time soon.
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After going through both improvement threads I had a bunch of features I wanted and then, after what was supposed to be a quick check, I discovered that they already existed in some way or another.

The only thing I still want is the option to delete a post I've made; a couple of times I've written something and found that it was either redundant or that I was mistaken. The downside is it removes some accountability and deleting the first post in a thread I think removes the entire thread, but I assume you can deal with that.
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After going through both improvement threads I had a bunch of features I wanted and then, after what was supposed to be a quick check, I discovered that they already existed in some way or another.

The only thing I still want is the option to delete a post I've made; a couple of times I've written something and found that it was either redundant or that I was mistaken. The downside is it removes some accountability and deleting the first post in a thread I think removes the entire thread, but I assume you can deal with that.
Part of what makes DLP DLP is that generally, people don't forget. We move on and become better and deleting culpability is a no no.

Many of us have posts or threads we wouldn't mind committing to oblivion but fuck it. You live, you learn.
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Part of what makes DLP DLP is that generally, people don't forget. We move on and become better and deleting culpability is a no no.

Many of us have posts or threads we wouldn't mind committing to oblivion but fuck it. You live, you learn.
Many of us have entire fucking stories we wish the world would forget about <_<

So to echo Seratin, I wouldn't worry about it. Nobody is going to shit on you forever for an honest mistake posting or w/e.
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If we transition to Xenforo here are some of the nicer looking ones I have found:

https://www.badgerandblade.com/forum/
https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/forums/
https://www.theory11.com/
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