Thanks again. The light of my ignorance is shining through the cracks in my relatively empty head. Hopefully it will dim somewhat within the next few days.

 

Or you'll get all steamed up, at which point we'll have to tip you over and pour you out.

 

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Didn't really knew that Amanda was the more popular choice as a pairing. I myself thought it would have been Meciel.

 

I don't see how anyone could honestly believe that a Harry/Amanda pairing would be better than Harry/Meciel. I think Harry himself quite adequately describes it in one of the chapters of D. Knight. Something along the lines of "who better than the Fallen angel who lives in my head, knows my every though and every emotion" etc.
Amanda is just… Well, first of all there is the whole "annoying brat" issue. Secondly, catholic. And…I could go on all day, but that wouldn't be too fun.

…… har har. ^^ Notice light, not heat. Ergo, I wouldn't Or, supposing I did, I do have ears. I'm sure they could be an excellent over-pressure vent.

 

I like both, but I personally prefer Amanda. For many various reasons that have no doubt been debated to death here.

 

Harry needs some real poontang, not imaginary blow jobs from his invisible friend

 

Ponder this: What difference is there between the Cruciatus curse and torture (the non-disfiguring kind)?

In my opinion, none. The Cruciatus is torture, but not real. It's a spell designed, at least how I see it, to make the receiver feel as though he/she is in pain, without any physical or other external influences to cause this pain. The pain is just as real whether it's brought on by mutilating, debilitating torture or by tricking the brain into thinking the body should be experiencing pain (the Longbottoms is one example supports this).
In the same way, Harry/Meciel would be and/or is just as real as Harry/Amanda -more so because Meciel is actually a grown woman- regardless of the fact that she's incorporeal. If she can make have the same experience as he would have with a physical woman I don't see that there would be much significance in the argument that "She doesn't have a body!". As a matter of fact, Meciel could probably 'do' things that no mortal woman could, so yeah…pwnd.:awesome

EDIT: cleaned up paragraph structure to facilitate reading.

 

Yes, well, you enjoy that. I'll be laughing at the mental image of Harry having sex with the empty air and his bed.

 

As far as we know, there are no after-effects of Cruciatus (unless subjects mind breaks, but that wasn't most common, was it?). Most torture methods usually leave their subjects disfigured. That's quite a difference imo.

Still, I see no reason why would anyone choose Amanda over Meciel.

 

...regardless of what it seems to be to him, it's still masturbation.

Can someone lock this thread? It should have never been brought back.

 

I didn't say the pairing is optimal, or even good. I'll be there laughing right along with you, EvilSpanker. I'm just presenting my thoughts of which pairing suits Harry better for this story; and as far as I can see Meciel is the clear winner.

As for my analogy with the Cruciatus curse: I wasn't in any way speaking of the after-effects (apart from my usage of the Longbottom to demonstrate the lack of difference of result of it and real torture) but the function of it. From what we've seen in canon, I think it's safe to say that the Cruciatus doesn't have a physical effect on the body apart from what the brain creates in response to the pain. My point was that it feels as though you are being tortured even though the pain is merely an 'illusion', so to speak. Hence why I believe that a physical relationship with Meciel would be just as rewarding -if not more- than one with Amanda, in terms of gain for Harry. To his perception, she does exist and possesses a solid body. Although Meciel might not get much out of it, I guess she can share his illusory pleasure…

That doesn't make it less weird or hilarious to think about, but from a viewpoint centered in Harry's mind I don't think there would be a difference.

 

Meciel, just as Lasciel in TDF canon, isn't a woman, you know. Or at least I *hope* you know. Both are manifestations of a Fallen Angel, which is neither male nor female AFAIK, since they were likely created by the White God way back in the history of the universe. Y'know, before people, before the time of the "bone wrym" of Harry's demonic form, before dinosaurs, etc.

"She" is no more female than any of the Fallen, as evidenced in TDF canon when Michael asks Dresden about Lasciel, guessing (correctly) that Lasciel appeared to Dresden as a beautiful blonde woman, presumably to better play on Dresden's weaknesses.

So I think it's pretty damn funny that this discussion has ever, or is now still, happening. Mental masturbation indeed. I mean, WTF?

 

I have nothing further to say on this issue. My view on the mechanics of the relationship are still valid, whether Meciel is a 'he', 'she' or an 'it'. From Harry's perspective, she's a God-damn (see what I did there? ) hot woman and he'd like nothing more than to bang her. End of story.

Still, Portus…hilarious earlier post. It still make me snicker, even if the joke was at my expense.

 

That may be true for DF canon, but in DS we know that Meciel was a mother. I've never heard of a male mother.

Btw: we can speculate that Harry learns how to create "hard-light illusions" not long after the end of DL. Calling it masturbation is much harder after that

 

No one said she was a dude, what was said was that she is an angel, which, by definition, is neither male nor female.