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Discussion in 'Politics' started by MrINBN, Oct 29, 2006.

  1. MrINBN

    MrINBN Unspeakable

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    The Article

     
  2. The Dark Monarch

    The Dark Monarch Backtraced

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    Could someone please explain this to me better than the article? I understand what its saying but hearing it spoken in a simpler wording would help solidize my ideas.
     
  3. MrINBN

    MrINBN Unspeakable

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    Basically bad news for anyone who opposes Bush.
     
  4. Xiph0

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    And some still plan to vote Republican. STILL.

    Do you realize what kind of legislation these people are passing? This is very near Roman.
     
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    Inquisition Canadian Ambassador to Japan DLP Supporter

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    The ones that don't see their rights just slipping away, or the one profiting from the loss of rights. It amazes me how blind some people can really be.
     
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    Furthermore, I just noticed this story. God damnit. -_-


    Funny comment:
     
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  7. the-caitiff

    the-caitiff Death Eater

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    I can think of only one word to describe how I feel about this; SHIT!
     
  8. Jon

    Jon The Demon Mayor Admin DLP Supporter

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    Not living in America ftw.
     
  9. Mordecai

    Mordecai Drunken Scotsman Prestige DLP Supporter

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    You know, I think I might just revise my life plans, as in, never go to America. I had planned on moving to the US after Uni if I could get a job with one of the Space Agencies. Methinks thats not such a good idea.
     
  10. Giovanni

    Giovanni God of Scotch

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    The real irony here is that we revolted from Great Britain over less patently offensive things than this.

    The Northeast and California should secede from the Union -- and link up with Canada.
     
  11. Fuegodefuerza

    Fuegodefuerza Minister of Magic

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    Texas independence FTW!

    Secession from the Union++

    We've already seceded once, who says we can't do it again? Maybe if Kinky Friedman becomes our Governor...with a name like Kinky, he's gotta have some balls.
     
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    This... is going to suck. I agree with Gio about the Northeast linking up with Canada. :p
     
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    And to tell the truth, I never thought Bushwanker would actually go this far. >_<
     
  14. World

    World Oberstgruppenführer Moderator DLP Supporter

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    [quoite][...]facilities already contracted for and under construction by Halliburton.[/quote]
    Does the name Haliburton ring any bell? Yet more money for those with connections to powerful republicans (and thus, in turn, more money for said republicans).

    The only question that poses itself to me is when the republican government will act on it. Probably not during Bush's term, he is not important to it. I guess in the term after or thereafter.
    As for the next general election, I already fear a rise in popularity for the republicans in due time.

     
  15. Xiph0

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    United States of Canada ftw.

    I'd be all for it so long as we removed ourselves from the Commonwealth.
     
  16. jbern

    jbern Alba Mater

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    Okey-dokey before we all start running for the hills and moving the family into our little concrete bunkers to await the jackbooted thugs coming to take our land, lets look at the section of this 'dangerous' legislation. It is in fact the entire 2007 Defense Appropriation Bill. Section 1076 is the portion that Senator Leahy objects to. It should be noted that according to govtrack the ammended bill passed the house by a vote of 398 Yes votes 23 Nos and 12 Abstains. Meaning in short that Most every Republican and Democrat signed off on this bill.

    The stealth manuever and cloaked swipe of the pen is reported imply some sort of cloak and dagger hidden star chamber ceremony, except of course for the whitehouse press release, defenselink news article and many other sources. Simply google it.


    SEC. 1076. USE OF THE ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.
    (a) USE OF THE ARMED FORCES AUTHORIZED.--
    (1) IN GENERAL.--Section 333 of title 10, United States
    Code, is amended to read as follows:
    `` 333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and
    Federal law
    ``(a) USE OF ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.--
    (1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the
    National Guard in Federal service, to--
    ``(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United
    States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or
    other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or
    incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the
    United States, the President determines that--
    ``(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent
    that the constituted authorities of the State or possession
    are incapable of maintaining public order; and
    ``(ii) such violence results in a condition described in
    paragraph (2); or
    ``(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic
    violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrec-
    tion, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition
    described in paragraph (2).
    ``(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition
    that-- ``(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or
    possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that
    State or possession, that any part or class of its people is
    deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named
    in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted
    authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse
    to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that
    protection; or
    H. R. 5122--323

    ``(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the
    United States or impedes the course of justice under those
    laws.
    ``(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B), the State
    shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the
    laws secured by the Constitution.
    ``(b) NOTICE TO CONGRESS.--The President shall notify Congress
    of the determination to exercise the authority in subsection (a)(1)(A)
    as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days
    thereafter during the duration of the exercise of that authority.''.
    (2) PROCLAMATION TO DISPERSE.--Section 334 of such title
    is amended by inserting ``or those obstructing the enforcement
    of the laws'' after ``insurgents''.
    (3) HEADING AMENDMENT.--The heading of chapter 15 of
    such title is amended to read as follows:
    ``CHAPTER 15--ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAWS TO
    RESTORE PUBLIC ORDER''.
    (4) CLERICAL AMENDMENTS.--(A) The tables of chapters
    at the beginning of subtitle A of title 10, United States Code,
    and at the beginning of part I of such subtitle, are each
    amended by striking the item relating to chapter 15 and
    inserting the following new item:
    ``15 Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order ....................................... 331''.
    (B) The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 15
    of such title is amended by striking the item relating to sections
    333 and inserting the following new item:
    ``333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law.''.
    (b) PROVISION OF SUPPLIES, SERVICES, AND EQUIPMENT.--
    (1) IN GENERAL.--Chapter 152 of such title is amended
    by adding at the end the following new section:
    `` 2567. Supplies, services, and equipment: provision in major
    public emergencies
    ``(a) PROVISION AUTHORIZED.--In any situation in which the
    President determines to exercise the authority in section
    333(a)(1)(A) of this title, the President may direct the Secretary
    of Defense to provide supplies, services, and equipment to persons
    affected by the situation.
    ``(b) COVERED SUPPLIES, SERVICES, AND EQUIPMENT.--The sup-
    plies, services, and equipment provided under this section may
    include food, water, utilities, bedding, transportation, tentage,
    search and rescue, medical care, minor repairs, the removal of
    debris, and other assistance necessary for the immediate preserva-
    tion of life and property.
    ``(c) LIMITATIONS.--(1) Supplies, services, and equipment may
    be provided under this section--
    ``(A) only to the extent that the constituted authorities
    of the State or possession concerned are unable to provide
    such supplies, services, and equipment, as the case may be;
    and ``(B) only until such authorities, or other departments or
    agencies of the United States charged with the provision of
    such supplies, services, and equipment, are able to provide
    such supplies, services, and equipment.
    H. R. 5122--324

    ``(2) The Secretary may provide supplies, services, and equip-
    ment under this section only to the extent that the Secretary
    determines that doing so will not interfere with military prepared-
    ness or ongoing military operations or functions.
    ``(d) INAPPLICABILITY OF CERTAIN AUTHORITIES.--The provision
    of supplies, services, or equipment under this section shall not
    be subject to the provisions of section 403(c) of the Robert T.
    Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C.
    5170b(c)).''.
    (2) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.--The table of sections at the
    beginning of such chapter is amended by adding at the end
    the following new item:
    ``2567. Supplies, services, and equipment: provision in major public emergencies''.
    (c) CONFORMING AMENDMENT.--Section 12304(c)(1) of such title
    is amended by striking ``No unit'' and all that follows through
    ``subsection (b),'' and inserting ``Except to perform any of the func-
    tions authorized by chapter 15 or section 12406 of this title or
    by subsection (b), no unit or member of a reserve component may
    be ordered to active duty under this section''.


    Alrighty then so what does all this mumbo jumbo mean. It means that if the State cannot or even worse will not obey federal laws or the constitiution the President can nationalize the National Gaurd over the governor's objections. The executive branch must determine if the Major Public Emergency meets several criteria and lays it out.

    Eisenhower took a good deal of heat in the 1950's for nationalizing the Arkansas National Gaurd to end school segregation.

    Most of the stuff the bloggers and the lone Senator from Vermont are objecting to falls under the Major Public Emergencies part from what I can interpt. It requires that the president notify congress as soon as practical and every 14 days to tell congress why the executive branch will continue to excercise this authority.

    So, is it possible for the law to be abused? Yes. Any law can be abused, but like any con artist a president trying to use this will have to sell the general public and congress that the State where emergency/epidemic/terrorist incident/insurrection is incapable or unwilling to deal with the situation.

    Remember congress drafts the laws, not the president. The executive branch may ask for certain language to be inserted, but that's it. Just about everyone in both parties signed off on this one too. The compromise committee that drafts the final bill between House and Senate is not comprised solely of republicans.

    If you are going to blame the federal government for poor response to Hurricane Katrina, then you shouldn't be surprised to see the federal government take actions to allow them more control and the ability to override the governor of a state to mobilize the troops to enforce the law. Look at all the follow on measures that talk about empowering the Secretary of Defense to provide materials goods and services to the affected area.

    I don't like reading an article about someone elses opinion of a law. If it worries you enough and you are a US citizen, then read the law and draw your own conclusions about it's possiblity for abuse. If after you read it, you feel that it is a bad law - then call/email your representatives and ask why they voted for it or what they are going to do about it?

    Face facts people, the first step to controlling a population is to encourage apathy amongst the populace. If they are uninformed, they are more apt to believe whatever you say. If you don't want to be someone else's pawn than make an effort to educate yourself on what is going on around you.


    Jim
     
  17. Nukular Winter

    Nukular Winter The Chosen One DLP Supporter

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    Jim is correct.

    As much as I dislike Bush*, the first thing I thought of when I first heard about this was Bush sitting with his thumb in his ass during Katrina, then having his lackeys later claim that posse comitatus prevented them from actually doing anything.

    While I don't have a lot of faith left in my fellow Americans, I believe that the surest way to accomplish a regime change would be for Bush to declare martial law and try to set himself up as some sort of dictator (which is what the worst of the tinfoil hat crowd are claiming). The military would never go along with that.

    -Sean

    *Dislike = active hatred. I pray every night that Bush and Cheney will realize what complete and utter wastes of skin they are and do the world a favor by drowning themselves in the nearest White House urinal... my efforts have been singularly unsucessful to date, but I'm keeping hope alive.
     
  18. Xiph0

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    Federal Government needs to bow and help the State Government in said cases, imho.

    Blah, there's tons of undeniably treasonous things police forces and military forces have and do go along with all throughout our history. I'd hope they wouldn't, but I certainly wouldn't be counting on it.
     
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  19. Rob

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    Sweet. We'd get free oranges and raisins. Hurry up!
     
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    Sean, you should have prayed for a larger pretzel for Bush to choke on instead!

    Jim