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  1. ip82

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    An interesting convo I picked up from PottersPlace3 Yahoo group (that's a public group, so I suppose no hard feelings, eh?).

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    You need to remember that the average H/G shipper NEEDS Hermione to be evil and or dead. That's why all the Azkaban!Harry fics that have him reuiniting with Ginny later have a Hermione who laughs as she murders Hedwig and burns his photo album and all that.

    Ginny (the perfect girl, in their eyes) is allowed to be a stalker who has known from the first time she heard the name that she'd marry Harry Potter, and she can be Harry's perfect love interest despite the fact that it took Rowling until Book FIVE to use her as anything more than a McGuffin in the series.

    Ginny is an annoying little bitch with a temper that she learned from her mother. Hermione is an annoying little bitch who knows more than everyone else and makes sure that they all know it.

    Your mistake with this response is that it uses logic. Hermione is to be hated because she is Hermione and a threat to the possibility of a H/G relationship.

    I wonder what would happen if JKR pulled something out of her hat in Book Seven and had Harry and Hermione end up as a couple? Would there be the exact same outcry as with HBP, only with the 'shippers doing the dancing and the 'shippers doing the screaming reversed?

    Of course, then you have the Dark Lord Potter group, who detest anything with H/G in it, and who seem to only think a story is good if it has Ginny dying in as painful and messy a way as possible...a chunk of them feel the same way about H/Hr, of course, which is why I tend to get roundly panned over there. (*snort* I even get panned in reviews of my WIFE'S work...)

    Keith

    (that's Keith McComb AKA Kinsfire)

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    Doesn't it just give you a warm fuzzy feeling to know your loved Keith.
    *Grin*

    Some of the best reads I've found was because they added them to their "Trash Bin."

    Treck

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    We're not all bad. I still read H/G and H/Hr, though it's hardly common to see ANY good ships in a Dark/Independant Harry fic. Having "Oh my god, you're my soulmate, I love you!" moments is rather hard when Harry is busy becoming the next Dark Lord (consider the group's name, do you make a habit of writing angry Harry who's just itching to break free?). Most are so stringently anti-Ginny because of the rabid H/G fangirls who can't write for beans, and the disaster that was HBP.

    Monster in his chest? That's either indigestion or a love potion folks. You don't go from never noticing the girl to tonsil hockey overnight unless there's funny tasting pumpkin juice involved. That and the completely undeserved temper/bitchy streak (just what is the justification for that? pms and the bat bogey hex aren't permanent) are what makes most of the forum want to kill her in creative new ways.

    If you can ignore their irrational hatreds for certain pairings and such, they're actually an alright group. One of the things I love about them is that if the story's stale or the writing crappy, they'll tell you in explicit detail. As an author, having people say "Would you please erase that last chapter and bash your head against the wall untill the urge to write such s**t disappears? This part made no sense... That part was unclear... and I've already guessed your next three plot twists..." can sometimes be alot more helpful than the standard FFnet review of "Lol, update soon plz!"

    And yes I've recieved both of those reviews.

    (Andrew - not sure what's his nick here)

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    Sometimes there are interesting observations. You just have to sort through a lot of abusive rants and e-peen-stroking to get there. I'm sorry, but "it's too popular" is not a valid critique. Neither is "sucks because he used canon pairings".

    On the other hand, I can appreciate their desire for NFP to up the action ante. I think I've read so many "Harry-Instant-Sooper-Power-up" stories that I'm probably overreacting in the opposite direction in making sure the foundations for change are properly laid.

    As a side note: Jbern's story is a strong exception to the 'no ships' principle you quoted. The strain his anger is putting on their relationship, and how Susan reacts to it, is very well done.

    -Matthew Schocke

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    I got a tad bit annoyed with some of the comments the DLP crew made for Fidelius, where they seemed to expect an eleven-year-old Hufflepuff Harry, who had had a basically happy childhood, to skip the pranking phase entirely and head straight on into angsty army-building. At that time in the story, he had no real clue that anything like intensive training would be necessary. They seemed to be ticked off that I wasn't writing the angry!Harry story they
    wanted to read - and of course that was my fault. (The Addams Family story I'm working on at the moment will probably be more to their tastes with the dark humour, although it still won't have the body count they want, most likely.) Plus there's the little fact that they're reviewing on their own board, not on the review page for the story itself. If I don't know what they're saying, I can't very well take it into account, now can I? The DLP site itself is
    actually painful for me to look at with the light print against a black background, so I just don't go there.

    Dorothy

    (that's Ishtar)

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    Inaccurate. We hate Ginny, or at least I hate Ginny, because she is a
    representation of every overdone cliche out there. H/Hr is slighly
    more acceptable, but still tends to be very cliched. As a result, we
    judge those stories with extreme prejudice. And in all truth,
    Kinsfire, your work revolves primarily around the sex. I appreciate
    the effort you put into them, but the characterization is pretty
    inconsistent, and that makes it difficult to emphasize with the
    characters.

    brokenapparition

    (another DLP-er which nick I don't recognize)

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    I will admit that the ones that stuck with me most were the ones where ... am I wrong, or was there once a thread on that site with inventive ways to get rid of Ginny, or am I thinking of a different site? Wherever it was, it got pretty gore-filled pretty fast.

    It's like with any group - the loudest and most extreme tend to get the greatest attention.

    I am coming to realise that as far as my writing goes, I am at best a hack. But I can't NOT write. (If you've read Heinlein, you'll understand why - the man was right.)

    But I am improving, even with all the sex in the stories. I look at some of my older work and cringe. I have a story in the anthropomorphic fandom that needs to be finished, but when I looked back at the original chapters, I nearly cried for how badly it was written in the beginning. I have to finish that, but I'm damned if I can figure out how without rewriting the thing. I'm GOING to finish it, and will likely need to do a rewrite just to get the drive to do it.

    Keith

    (Kinsfire)

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    After this, the discussion degenerated into a Kinsfire ass-licking session, where several posters tactifully tried to explain what's wrong with his stories, without making it sound as 'everything'.

    Anyway, pretty amusing discussion I think. Some misguided notions but some good points too. Thought I should share, so here it is.
     
  2. Dark Syaoran

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    Heh. That is an amusing read. Is the font color really that bad? I can handle it much better than black-on-white, especially at night.

    Fidelius started well, but as soon as he got to Hogwarts, it just got... boring. Army creation is not something I'd like to see a first-year do, either, because its stupid. In all honesty, first year stories normally suck, since nothing really happens. It's hard to make something happen, as well, that wont be too much for an eleven year old Harry to handle.

    Meh.
     
  3. Kiklo

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    I tried reading Fidelius a while back. I don't know what happened, I just got bored and forgot about it within three or four chapters. I don't like childish stories anyway, so I'm glad I didn't finish it.

    Kinsfire...Don't know who he is. Was he from DLP?

    As for the font color scheme here, I like it. There's nothing wrong with it. Since I go on the computer at night mostly, it's better on the eyes.
     
  4. LINKed up

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    I believe that Andrew might be MrMucus. And yes, it is an interesting read. Did they ever get back on the Ginny Kill-off thing?
     
  5. Jeff

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    Kinsfire is an author who writes alot of fluff and smut about Harry and just about every pairing, and please correct me if I am wrong, Bellatrix, Tonks, Narcissa. I could be wrong.

    I find it funny that people dislike DLP that much. I personally don't think people here are negative about everything, I find that people here tell it as it is and needs to be said.

    Favorite stories from the Trash Bin? I guess certain people do like badly written stories and stories with bad grammar and the such.
     
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  6. LINKed up

    LINKed up Chief Warlock DLP Supporter

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    Agreed Jeff, that is probably the main reason as to why we put them in there.
     
  7. Giovanni

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    Well of course Kinsfire is not going to love us, his writing sucks... Well given what I have posted I have no room to talk, but at least :office was funny, and (in my opinion) the smut was more realistic.

    Personally I don't care if the OMFG HARRYGINNY4EVER!!!111!!!(EXCLAIMATION MAKR)!!1! Shippers hate us, they have an aggregate IQ of 1 and the writing to back it up.

    As for H/Hr; that's my canon pairing because at least Hermione isn't a stalker fan-girl who PMS' about everything and makes out with random guys in attempt to make her chosen guy notice her. They have a word for people like that... They're called whores.
     
  8. BioPlague

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    I wonder why they might not like us! I just can't see how.

    Oh, that's right - their stories are the bane of fanfiction. Their stories are absolute shit that are reincarnations of the just-as-shitty story that preceeded it. There's never any improvement other than mechanics and if there's one thing I'll give any author, it's the right to misspell anything they want to so long as the plot is enjoyable.

    We reviewed their stories, more than fairly. And when all was said and done, those stories found their scrotum-biting, soul-destroying, mind-raping contents in the Trash Bin.

    Why? Why-oh-why would I find them bad?

    I mean: I can't imagine why I would. I'm an H/HR shipper, right? Look at my signature and listen to me in chat once and awhile; look at my actions: helping the newbies, PMing slashers and those who are targeted ways to better fit in in to a harsh community that weeds out the idiots and generally being kind to anyone I'm not taking the mickey out on for the hell of it.

    And yet... I do find these stories Trash Bin worthy. Hell, I even went to Kinsfire's site once and confronted him about the characters that were less dynamic than Rowling's, which is something even xxxbloodywristsxxx couldn't manage to do in her abortion of epic proportions. I told him his stories were pieces of shit to his face, in much more amicable terms and, as ip82 highlighted, the asslickers came out to defend him. So your point that I lack the tact to come to your site and tell you your story sucks in fair terms is moot.

    So why then, does someone who likes crossovers with Star Wars, trashy romance fics and generally anything somewhat readable find these stories bad?!

    Oh, that's right. They're pieces of shit. They deserve the Trash Bin and the twinkle-toed cocksucker who said he found good stories in the Trash Bin is welcomed to search in it and recognize he's not welcome at a site where your ability to write is less than sacred and your ability to write something intelligent is.

    And it's not like we gave all those grabbastic pieces of shit the trash bin - Jecanois made it in, didn't he? His story won our award of the year. So no, it's not because we hate stories geared towards romance, that's for sure. It's stories geared towards excellency in douchebaggery. And boy Kinsfire, you've cleansweeped your way to every award there.

    Clue: Only 13-15 year olds who've never had sex and will never have sex read your stories because they're filled to the brim with plotless fucking. Which is cool when you're randy and you need to get off to an erotic story, which some people do. DLP has smut - DLP has weirdos who probably gank it to smut (Vash). But every, single story is the same. Your characters only emotions and characteristics can best be described with the words sex, fucking, and a-total-disregard-for-anything-plausible. Who the fuck wants fifteen stories of the same, boring amphibian shit? No one except those who'll never get laid and live in an imaginary world where Dan and Emma are Hermione's parents and you're boning the mom and the daughter (and probably the father if you're Kinsfire).

    Is that a Kinsfire story? Can we check? Probably is.

    Clue #2: Your group isn't like ours. We offer a variety of fics that are humor-based, crossover, romance, dark, independent and anything else under the sun. Hell, we even have a fic with the kind of themes and happenings that you'd fuck your cunt of a wife to (The Office). Your group can best be described as the Trash Bin in Yahoo Group form. The staples of the stories found there are a disregard for characterisation, the storyline and the basics that make any Harry Potter story enjoyable.

    You can have your gender-bendering and your stories where allowing your wife to fuck Severus Snape is grounds for anything other than castration through kitchenware.

    We'll take DLP.net.

    Big P.S. There's a reason that of the Big Three Science Writers, Heinlein isn't remembered as well as Asimov or Clarke. Because he sucked. Not because he was controversial (same goes for you Kuntfire). Because he sucked it big. People love controversy. They don't like shit.
     
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  9. Stalicon

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    I'm rather disapointed in Ishtar and Kingsfire, as well as the rest of them. Is it that hard to understand that a site named Dark Lord Potter normally likes serious storries and are of course dark themed?

    Seriously can you honestly see Ginny Crucio'ing neville into insanity, or even on a lighter note, understand what its like to be hated by both sides of your heritage. To have so many expactations mounting on your shoulders by people who don't even like you but still you feel responsible because you're the only one who stands a chance?

    Or the ever rule abididing Hermione killing or breaking the law? She may be able to understand the predjudice, mabey even some of the preasure of expectations, but in most all books they've had to drag her tooth and nail to help them because 'its againts the rules' like that should matter over the lives of her friends?

    The problem is most people here like somewhat realistic stories, where characters have limitations and problems. And following them through those hard times. Not the super fluffy fairy tale stories where the knight in shinny armour comes to save the day.

    From reading this I get the feeling that most of them never bothered to look past, and I don't like H/G because... before going off like rabid hounds at the sight of stake.

    Seriously, we can be a little over-bearing in our disregard for some canon characters but we're no where near the trigger happy (In most cases) little kids that like to tear down good work just for over inflated egos and 'because it's H/G'.

    These people focus way to much on what we don't like to get a good feel of what we do.
     
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  10. Inquisition

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    Kinsfire's work seems to be the same repetitive stuff again and again. Let's take one of his stories, say... Paradigm Shift.

    Harry falls in love with Tonks, but Dumbledore doesn't like that idea, so Harry runs off to the States for how-many years and comes back to find that Dumbledore is a Dark Lord wannabe. (Insert evil lemon drop coated laugh here.) In the end, Harry defeats Voldemort, and Snape defeats Dumbledore.

    First of all, there's lots of sex. Lots and lots of sex. As if sudden movement over the Atlantic Ocean demands constant orgasm. Then there's wife-swapping. Which, even though is unoffensive to me, kinda gets silly after you overdo it. Because all in all, the final roundup includes Tonks, Hermione, Ginny, Sirius' girlfriend (Sirius has in fact come back to life with the help of a one-word Chinese midget), one of his American friends' daughter, Ron (who's a flaming homo - who knew?)and possibly a few other people who've escaped the top of my head right now.

    Not only that, but Sirius, Remus, Ron (flaming homo - but he can have sex with women too), and Snape get to share all these women. Kinda kills the harem philosophy. Oh, and Harry's uber-Minister and all around good guy.

    And then you scroll down to Like A Phoenix From The Ashes, or LAPFTA if you can't be bothered. Well, how about that one? Harry finds out that Bill and Charlie, while not 'evil' per-say, but chase Harry away from Ginny by forging a ring. Personally, I don't see the problem. Then something about him losing his vision. Anyway, Harry and his new band of merry harem-ers stand with him againts the forces of stupidity, Snape becomes nice, the gang defeat Voldemort, yadda yadda yadda.

    Or the super-fluff story, Masquerade. Costume party, undying love, that sort of thing. A little fluff is nice, but really. The dam does burst.

    That's all Kinsifre writes; "I'm a wimpy little Harry, pity me, give me 3+ wives, so I can find the 'Power', and be Minister of Magic and all that rot.

    That's my beef with Kinsfire.

    That, and this stupid little rant about how we're Ginny Nazis, and kill her off gruesomely, wah wah wah. I don't care if Ginny gets killed off or not, but please. She's not that big a part of the story. Stop trying to make her fit in.


    That is all.
     
  11. Antivash

    Antivash Until we meet again... DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    My post on PP3 regarding it:

     
  12. Thalarian

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    I used to be a Kinsfire fan, long before I completely understood HP fanfictions workings.

    And like everyone else, when I got to the a third story of his, I began to fail to see a difference in plot, character, landscape and overall quality.

    I'll even admit to reading part of his newest story A Time To Reflect, holding out a small flicker of hope that poor dear Kinsfire finally broke free of this rut he seems to have fallen in when concerning his HP writing. But, lo' and behold, Harry hates himself, meets HolyShitLookAtThoseTits!God and gets sent back in time in what could possibly the most head scratching TimeTravel!Harry premise I have ever seen.

    Once again, I bit the side of my cheek to distract myself at the feel of my brain painfully trying to dig it's way out of the side of my head. Why was it doing that, you might ask? Because it's seen this shit before, and amazingly, my brain actually felt that there were BETTER ways to fuck around and waste time.

    Harry has all knowledge. Hermione is in love with him. Daphne is in love with him. (Always a randomly picked Slytherin girl.) The Weasley's adore him. Ron once again has enough hand-eye coordination that he doesn't piss all over the loo when he goes to the bathroom. He's with Susan however, who obviously must be holding it for him because she makes a comment about knowing his 'size'. Dumbledore is in awe of Harry and begs his forgiveness. Everyone loves Harry. Nobody wants to fuck with him. Harry constantly gives speeches in every chapter that give all HP characters within a 50m radius +3 INT for 7 turns, bar a rolling resistance of 19. Malfoy is a cunt as always, easily disposed when Harry speaks 'coldly'. As he seems to do in every Skinfire fic.

    Why Skinfire you ask? Because within 2 chapters of every story, Harry's somehow got his pants around his ankle's, banging either IWannaBeYourPornstar!Hermione, RandomSlythGirl!Daphne/Pansy, DidntYouOnceNameMyBreasts'TinyTeets'!Ginny, or in absolute /me shudder, ImGayButJKRWontAdmitIt!Ron, or MeLoveYouLongHomoTime!Snape.

    The slash references don't even bother me, I could care less really. It's the utter abhorrent disbelief in which they are presented. The romance in every story is like watching a 12 year old finding his first porno, and wanting nothing more to pull out his little pecker and start smacking it against the TV screen. It's beyond fast, it's repetitive, and...I can't even begin to give it a description worthy of just how badly it makes one cringe.

    I actually held hope out for Ties Of Blood as well. But, same damn thing. The only saving grace was the fact that Hermione was a borderline lesbian. If that wasn't as true a call to canon as possible, then I don't know what is.

    It came to a point where I couldn't even respect Kinsfire as an author. Sure, I may not be a great author, hell my story probably pales in comparison to most, but even I know that if you write more then one story they shouldn't almost look like they were Cut, Copied and Pasted in Wordpad.

    I won't even go into responding to the jab at DLP'ers being Ginny and Hermione haters, as that's a whole 'nother toilet full of shit that I don't feel like pulling out another Charmin UltraDouble Roll for.
     
  13. Xiph0

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    Aye that's true. I have to say that the only people I've really seen go off on shit "just because it's H/G" have been idiots who got a base feel for what the site was about, and never bothered to look into why that was the general stance.

    Next time someone does it, ask them why they hate Ginny and see if they can give you a decent answer back.

    If they can't, they aren't DLPers, they're sheep.*


    The only, and I mean only reason I attack slashers and h/g shippers as often as I do [and as rudely as I do] is because I fear what could happen if they got enough of a presence to actually post as a group within our group.

    I've already debated why I hate Ginny on here. I don't even need to spell out why I dislike slash. I like it that way.

    That's also the reason why I avoid shit sites like harrypotterfanfiction.com and pottersplace. I know instantly that I'm in the minority and I dislike that. I like being able to post and not have to debate my point fiercely and into the ground.

    So, to sum it up - Kinsfire, Ishtar, I'm glad you have your own site, and I'm deeply glad that people waste their time jacking you off. Eat a dick and please post more on this site, I'd love to run your rep into 2 negative bars.


    *Not to say all DLPers hate Ginny flat-out - I understand some don't, but those that do usually have a legitimate reason behind their hatred.
     
  14. nonjon

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    Err... I think someone's blown something out of proportion here.

    There were a few discussions about fics and then mentions of DLP. Some people like DLP, some don't. But nothing I thought was horribly unfair, unjust, or terribly inaccurate. Why are we picking horribly on the Potters Place 3 group?

    Are we swinging the collective might of DLP out to bash Kinsfire for any particular reason? He mentioned a few observations of his experience with DLP. Nothing untrue. A few others express support when Kins self-deprecates himself and says he's a hack. And this offends us to the point we need a new rant thread?

    Vash's post (with BP's comments) there feels like flame-baiting. Of course that may be the intention.
     
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    That's the definition of a reach-around.
     
  16. Thalarian

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    Really? I guess I've been lied to my entire life then....
     
  17. ip82

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    Vash's post was pretty much OK. BP, on the other hand, seemed to me a bit like a teleavengelist calling for death of all the unbelievers daring to oppose the will of God... Not a good image, I'd say.

    But yes, I posted this convo because I thought it was interesting; not as a call for arms against Pottersplace or Kinsfire (who had taken all the beating he'd recieved here rather well, I'd say).
     
  18. nonjon

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    I'm not saying whether it's a plea for support/well wishes or not.

    But trashing people on our site, and going out of our way to bug them on other forums where you know they have support and will just provoke little flame wars is another. It's like picking on SIYE or GinnyPotter.com and argue what a whore Ginny is. It may be entertaining for individuals but it doesn't reflect well on DLP.

    As for the earlier names I know:

    (Andrew - not sure what's his nick here) = The Caittiff
    -Matthew Schocke = Viridian/S'TarKan
     
  19. TheIllusiveOne

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    The only posts that annoyed me, really, were Ishtar's whining about us not liking her stupid fic, and all the assumptions that everyone on DLP only likes DarkLord!Harry and hates Ginny for no reason. Jeconais is pretty well liked here, despite his fics being extremely fluffy and fairy tale like, Jbern has been on here since he first started posting his fics (as far as I know) and he's also on FFA, and of course Nonjon is well liked everywhere and a vintage DLP member. Also, if Ishtar bothered to read the reviews on her newest fic, Family Values, she'd see it's pretty well liked here. Why? Because it hasn't become a boring fluff fest yet, unlike her other fic. If they actually bothered to pay attention to what a lot of people are saying on this site, they wouldn't be whining in a bunch of random yahoo posts.
     
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  20. Thalarian

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    I didn't bash Kinsfire nonjon, in fact I don't think many did. What we did was bash his stories. If you moved this thread to the For Review section, it would probably fit right in.

    I only stated that I can't respect him as an author, for the reasons stated above. I guess I also cut loose simply because this is the DLP forum, and figured I'd be allowed to vent some in the relative safety of it's walls.

    Besides, I know internally you feel the same way non. ^_^ It's just that your little ShoulderAngel is talking louder then the rest of our ShoulderlDevil's.