An interesting convo I picked up from PottersPlace3 Yahoo group (that's a public group, so I suppose no hard feelings, eh?). ----------- You need to remember that the average H/G shipper NEEDS Hermione to be evil and or dead. That's why all the Azkaban!Harry fics that have him reuiniting with Ginny later have a Hermione who laughs as she murders Hedwig and burns his photo album and all that. Ginny (the perfect girl, in their eyes) is allowed to be a stalker who has known from the first time she heard the name that she'd marry Harry Potter, and she can be Harry's perfect love interest despite the fact that it took Rowling until Book FIVE to use her as anything more than a McGuffin in the series. Ginny is an annoying little bitch with a temper that she learned from her mother. Hermione is an annoying little bitch who knows more than everyone else and makes sure that they all know it. Your mistake with this response is that it uses logic. Hermione is to be hated because she is Hermione and a threat to the possibility of a H/G relationship. I wonder what would happen if JKR pulled something out of her hat in Book Seven and had Harry and Hermione end up as a couple? Would there be the exact same outcry as with HBP, only with the 'shippers doing the dancing and the 'shippers doing the screaming reversed? Of course, then you have the Dark Lord Potter group, who detest anything with H/G in it, and who seem to only think a story is good if it has Ginny dying in as painful and messy a way as possible...a chunk of them feel the same way about H/Hr, of course, which is why I tend to get roundly panned over there. (*snort* I even get panned in reviews of my WIFE'S work...) Keith (that's Keith McComb AKA Kinsfire) --------- Doesn't it just give you a warm fuzzy feeling to know your loved Keith. *Grin* Some of the best reads I've found was because they added them to their "Trash Bin." Treck --------- We're not all bad. I still read H/G and H/Hr, though it's hardly common to see ANY good ships in a Dark/Independant Harry fic. Having "Oh my god, you're my soulmate, I love you!" moments is rather hard when Harry is busy becoming the next Dark Lord (consider the group's name, do you make a habit of writing angry Harry who's just itching to break free?). Most are so stringently anti-Ginny because of the rabid H/G fangirls who can't write for beans, and the disaster that was HBP. Monster in his chest? That's either indigestion or a love potion folks. You don't go from never noticing the girl to tonsil hockey overnight unless there's funny tasting pumpkin juice involved. That and the completely undeserved temper/bitchy streak (just what is the justification for that? pms and the bat bogey hex aren't permanent) are what makes most of the forum want to kill her in creative new ways. If you can ignore their irrational hatreds for certain pairings and such, they're actually an alright group. One of the things I love about them is that if the story's stale or the writing crappy, they'll tell you in explicit detail. As an author, having people say "Would you please erase that last chapter and bash your head against the wall untill the urge to write such s**t disappears? This part made no sense... That part was unclear... and I've already guessed your next three plot twists..." can sometimes be alot more helpful than the standard FFnet review of "Lol, update soon plz!" And yes I've recieved both of those reviews. (Andrew - not sure what's his nick here) --------- Sometimes there are interesting observations. You just have to sort through a lot of abusive rants and e-peen-stroking to get there. I'm sorry, but "it's too popular" is not a valid critique. Neither is "sucks because he used canon pairings". On the other hand, I can appreciate their desire for NFP to up the action ante. I think I've read so many "Harry-Instant-Sooper-Power-up" stories that I'm probably overreacting in the opposite direction in making sure the foundations for change are properly laid. As a side note: Jbern's story is a strong exception to the 'no ships' principle you quoted. The strain his anger is putting on their relationship, and how Susan reacts to it, is very well done. -Matthew Schocke --------- I got a tad bit annoyed with some of the comments the DLP crew made for Fidelius, where they seemed to expect an eleven-year-old Hufflepuff Harry, who had had a basically happy childhood, to skip the pranking phase entirely and head straight on into angsty army-building. At that time in the story, he had no real clue that anything like intensive training would be necessary. They seemed to be ticked off that I wasn't writing the angry!Harry story they wanted to read - and of course that was my fault. (The Addams Family story I'm working on at the moment will probably be more to their tastes with the dark humour, although it still won't have the body count they want, most likely.) Plus there's the little fact that they're reviewing on their own board, not on the review page for the story itself. If I don't know what they're saying, I can't very well take it into account, now can I? The DLP site itself is actually painful for me to look at with the light print against a black background, so I just don't go there. Dorothy (that's Ishtar) --------- Inaccurate. We hate Ginny, or at least I hate Ginny, because she is a representation of every overdone cliche out there. H/Hr is slighly more acceptable, but still tends to be very cliched. As a result, we judge those stories with extreme prejudice. And in all truth, Kinsfire, your work revolves primarily around the sex. I appreciate the effort you put into them, but the characterization is pretty inconsistent, and that makes it difficult to emphasize with the characters. brokenapparition (another DLP-er which nick I don't recognize) --------- I will admit that the ones that stuck with me most were the ones where ... am I wrong, or was there once a thread on that site with inventive ways to get rid of Ginny, or am I thinking of a different site? Wherever it was, it got pretty gore-filled pretty fast. It's like with any group - the loudest and most extreme tend to get the greatest attention. I am coming to realise that as far as my writing goes, I am at best a hack. But I can't NOT write. (If you've read Heinlein, you'll understand why - the man was right.) But I am improving, even with all the sex in the stories. I look at some of my older work and cringe. I have a story in the anthropomorphic fandom that needs to be finished, but when I looked back at the original chapters, I nearly cried for how badly it was written in the beginning. I have to finish that, but I'm damned if I can figure out how without rewriting the thing. I'm GOING to finish it, and will likely need to do a rewrite just to get the drive to do it. Keith (Kinsfire) --------- After this, the discussion degenerated into a Kinsfire ass-licking session, where several posters tactifully tried to explain what's wrong with his stories, without making it sound as 'everything'. Anyway, pretty amusing discussion I think. Some misguided notions but some good points too. Thought I should share, so here it is.