Vampires 101

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  1. Ven Arima

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    I'm sorry, I don't have much familiarity with the Discworld novels but are vampires a frequent presence in the general scope of the world? Because this is the first time I've even heard of them existing in that world.
     
  2. CareOtters

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    There's a whole book about them. And they make frequent appearances as side characters in other books.
     
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    I love the Lasombra (who doesn't love Abyss mysticism), but infiltrating easily? They can be detected by their lack of reflection.
     
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    The description of Vampires from QuantumBranching's "A World of Darkness Indeed" fits my idea of them best. Especially seeing how they adapt to the world being overrun with Zombies.

     
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    I read an interesting take on vampires in a Kindle-published book. In it, vampires were a mutation gone wrong. Aliens are in a war, and one of them was sent to earth to protect/prepare earth for what was coming. When the first human was genetically recoded through nanocytes that are enegerized by the etheric plane, he came out well. However, his descendants did not. One of the deficiencies is their inability to walk in the light (whereas Michael, the original, can). Moreover, when they transform, there's a point where they can give in to the pain and if they do, they become Forsaken (wild vampires driven by hunger). If they don't, they become Nacht.

    The long and short of it is that quickly in the story, we learn the main character is taken back to the source (the ship) to be changed (they only change the willing, and only only a handful have ever been changed). She, then, leads others to be fixed properly and thus, they too can walk in the light. They become Rangers and other such entities who hunt human predators until they're ready to head off into the galactic war that awaits.

    It isn't the best writing and there's several places where I face palmed. However, the take was unique enough and it was entertaining enough that I read all 21 books. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079X2HHZS?ref=series_rw_dp_labf
     
  6. Blorcyn

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    So I watched 'He Never Died' recently on Netflix, I think it was called. Which is essentially about a vampire, although it was never called that.

    It's not a Stellar film but it is good and the main actor gives a really strong performance that basically carries the film.

    The vampire in that is very low-key. As far removed from the twilight/Miranda flairgold interpretation as you can get. He doesn't die from injury, he's inhumanly strong but not to a superhero level, more like folklore strength or parents picking up cars, and he looks completely normal but is just fighting a thirst with all the tenacity of an opiate dependence. He has normal teeth even and when he eats it's messy and he stabs and injures to get at it. I found it a really good depiction because it reduced a lot of the (what I now think are) extraneous elements. He's got an overpowering addiction, he relapses and remits, he's charming but very strange and likeable, but when he gives in he's a monster. A very human sort of monster

    There's a lot to work with in the Pratchett/stoker classic vampire, but I think less power on that spectrum is better than more power. It makes their struggles more compelling.
     
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    I like the vampires in Preacher. Not affected by holy stuff, but can't go out in the Sun and are nearly impossible to kill. Also damn vicious in a fight.

    That may just be because Cassidy is my favourite character from that show, though.
     
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    If anyone is interested in more local Vampires for the DLP competition, they could look into the BaoBhan Sith which are a form of Scottish vampire who are always beautiful women who drink blood and can turn into wolves.
     
  9. The.Snorting.Hat

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    Right, so I arrived here because of the new competition prompt. I love the discussion so far, there are so many ways of looking at vampiric myths. Lots of interesting ideas to incorporate. My mind's a-whirl.

    In HP cannon though, JK hasn't done much on vampires (apparently she said she'd rather explore on the British myths rather than rehashing the already popular eastern european myths) other than the random mentions about far away adventures of random adventurers and blood flavoured lollypops for some reason.
    But if you follow that logic of using folklore and base it directly on the sources (look at it by performing a wikiattack), diffrent myths from diffrent parts of eastearn Europe have different concepts and ideas about vampirism. The only thing really that's common is the drinking blood in the night part. There are some where it seems to be a mash between vampires and werewolves too. In other words, not really a consistent phenomenon unless you either pick one and stick with it or mix and match as you feel like, which is the usual strategy of writers (other than sparkles. I don't think there's any folklore that dumb.)

    Personally, my views on the vampire thing goes like this: I don't agree with any fiction which makes vampires out as 'humane but misunderstood'. Their outlook on humans should be similar to our outlook on cattle (as if we HAD to eat them though. No vegan vampires please, thank you) They should be parasites, a scourge of humanity, no-empathy sort of bastards. Not necessarily 'evil' but no vampire would ever have sympathy towards a human. Unlike a werewolf, where the humanity and the attatchments stay (or at least, might stay) after being bitten, a person can only turn into a vampire after he/she is dead (hence the undead scourge) so there's nothing human left in them. I also prefer it when they don't have supernatural strength, at least not all the time. They are made to blend in with humans BECAUSE they need to hide in plain sight. If they could demolish a building with a punch, why would they even try to blend in? (It makes them OP from plot perspective too, anyhow)
    Also, because I like the vampires vs werewolf idea, it's interesting to make them polar opposites (because duality gives plotgasms) so werewolves are social animals with packs, vampires are solo hunters. Werewolves are their strongest on full moon nights (well, duh) and vampires are strongest on moonless nights (also duh, it gives them so many advantages). werewolves are living, vampires are undead. Werewolves are pretty much beasts once transformed, vampires have their cold sanity the whole time. Werewolves don't really care about humans one way or the other, vampires need human blood to continue surviving. Stuff like that.

    If you had to have vampires with different classes, I would say any sort of extra magical ability should come with a price.
    So if a vampire gets super strength, it's also mindless. If they earn extra magical abilities (eg: being able to walk in the sun), they also are no longer immortal. The longest living, most experienced vampires would also be physically weaker, but much more cunning, vicious and most able to play the natural strengths.

    Basically, OP vampires are for people who can't plot for shit, or just want to be ironic about the whole deal.
     
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    Blade is the greatest vampire work of all time.
     
  11. The.Snorting.Hat

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    I don't know if I like the vampire concept in it (as someone before said, illogically high predator to prey ratio), but unlike others in the genre, it remains consistent with it's own world building. That's so freaking rare, that it makes it pretty good by default.
     
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