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  1. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    I apologize as well then.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Thanks. I wanted to end this game on a good note. You offended me.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  3. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Good game to everyone except Cobalt. Reads my posts about how I've sacrificed (or worked hard not to) my mental health and sleep schedule for the game due to IRL reasons and how I strongly don't like reading people based on that stuff. Reads my posts saying I don't want to fight and that I don't want things to be unfun. And then says that. I. Don't even. I want to be a mature person and I'll seek an apology from you afterwards because I don't want to dislike you.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  4. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    What the fuck, Cobalt. This is so fucking low.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  5. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Anyway. I'm leaving now. This is probably my last post of the day. Good game, it was, uh, mostly fun on the days when I was actually mentally there.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  6. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    ...yes, when you cherry pick, it looks bad... the only one of those i'll call out as misleading is the one on the cuth day (3), my posts around there make it clear i am 100% voting cuth never moving, and my behaviour shows that seeing as i committed to it and literally left after the first 24h because i didn't think anything else needed to be discussed. just... yes i admit i made those posts and they're local dels suckage, but fonti, do rely on your full read of the entire day with context...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  7. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Also, this actually isn't entirely correct, I was just thinking about it and remembered. I defended Waco a lot. When he was a wagon day 1 I basically just said "not seeing it", and then I had him as a townread for, well, the whole game, but including day 2 when I think some were still scumreading him, and I specifically named him as someone I didn't wanna vote on day 4. My read there didn't change until basically the Vaimes day.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  8. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    I basically just... don't want the game of mafia to come down to who can prove they're the most upset and therefore "townie". It's... not okay. It's not good. That's me mad at myself, not anyone else. :zipper mouth emoji:
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  9. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    So, yeah, that's me stopping. Back to "let me know if you need anything" mode. And I'm saying "If you vote me it's okay" and meaning it.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Took a moment to look for a relevant quote This is what I mean btw. I want to just. Play in a way that doesn't ever get so emotionally impacted. I don't wanna go rabid. A rule I'm using in the future is that if anyone ever says they're not having fun (because of an argument) then I want to just... stop. Even if it's a wolf. Even if I feel I need to keep going to show why the person is wrong or whatever. Meh.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  11. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Yeah, he moves back to Tom at 11:40. 3137 And uh yeah here's a really strong push for tom in 3167 . This is when people are starting to name Rubi. There's 3175 I guess... I mean, I agree with you the Rubi yeet was good for scum but I'm not sure Cobalt is really reacting to that in the moment. 3210 "yeet tom" 11:51 finally votes rubi at 11:53 3220 i... don't have anything to say. shrug.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  12. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    I'm looking at the thread there and the most recent vote count was He clearly wasn't one of the first to move. You and Reg had moved, that's... usually a good indicator that thread will follow. Gemma also clearly didn't wanna vote tom, I'm pretty darn sure she'd said so. He could have just believed at that moment that it was gonna be waco so was just moving for standard "ensure maj" reasons.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    I don't think I have a strong opinion on this. At the time of that vote, Rubi wasn't an option, right? People (you) were saying "either tom or waco". A waco wagon wasn't as good for Cobalt as a tom wagon, no. I'm pretty sure I remember Cobalt tried his best to push tom through 'till the end but I'll look if I'm remembering wrong.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Okay, sorry. I will stop. I really meant what I said earlier which is that all my cards were on the table and I had no regrets either way. Now I probably have some.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Also, another thing Cobalt said today that was fake: This. Like. Fonti, imagine if someone came up to you right now and said "Fonti, I think you might be the wolf in this final 3 because you said you were voting Cobalt, then Dels, and you keep saying things about both of them and trying to work with both" What would you say? You'd say "Are you out of your fucking mind, they're cross-voting each other, I'm the townie, I'm doing that because I have to make a decision!" So to be painted...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    I don't want this to get un-fun so I am down to literally just stop. I've already regretted things I've said.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  17. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Does any part of what I'm feeling right now seem cool under pressure?!
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  18. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    I literally do not know how else to say this. The things I pointed out were things you could argue against for Fonti's sake if I was wrong. For example, you said that when Amy claimed JoaT, I was under no heat. This was factually incorrect because I was very clearly under heat. Instead of you refuting it by saying "Actually you're wrong because of X", you just said "Whatever, wolf" because you had no refutation because you were wrong and I was right.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    That is correct. If the easy targets are wolves... I just... defend wolves. I have lost games for this.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    That's not the point. The point was the responses I made to you were about tangible, logical points. Things that you could interact with and refute.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  21. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Like, it's one thing to have commitments to things you don't want to do, and it's easy to say before a game "I will stick to those commitments even if it gets me scumread" but then the game happens and you want to win. You probably also noticed I didn't leave the thread this morning/afternoon at all even though I said yesterday that going for a walk was important for my self-care. Ugh. This is why I don't want to talk about this stuff because talking about it feels wrong and shouldn't be...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  22. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    And AtE is another one of those things I've strongly wanted to part with, alongside pre-written posts, not taking breaks, not using past game meta, and making sure I never read people off IRL circumstances or effort levels. But you kind of... asked for "anything" and now I'm breaking all those rules and saying some of the things I was holding back from saying earlier.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  23. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    It's one of the various big changes I mentioned earlier about how I want to play mafia as of recently. Prewritten posts are a thing that no one likes, first of all, MU complains about them a lot. And secondly they mean you're taking the game too seriously because you're not actually taking a break at night, and I'm very much trying to not be addicted to the game, and give myself breaks.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  24. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Like. Urgh, I don't know if this helps but His posts since we cross-voted are such classic "I know you're a wolf now! Whew! So nice to finally have it confirmed! Dels, you wolfy wolf!" And he said that I should be making more posts like him instead of the posts I was making which were like... bemused. And I think that's just completely not true. I don't need to shout at Cobalt about being a wolf? I'm not mad at him. If I'm playing a board game with someone or something and they're on the...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  25. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    I will also say, the two times that I responded to Cobalt earlier to call out something in his posts that I felt was objectively inaccurate and/or bad logic, he responded not by actually refuting the point or saying why I was wrong, but by just going "Well whatever, you're a wolf"
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  26. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    You asked me to do anything that would help. =/ I very nearly backspaced it.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    And yeah, I think a thing that has caused some issues here is that so much of my path isn't in the thread, because I am thinking endlessly about the game basically all day, when I'm in bed, when I'm out, etc. But I committed to no prewritten posts (because fuck that) and so by the time I get to the thread, like... A part of my process which people usually read me as town for (because I word vomit everything into the thread) gets lost. I'm not really saying that's what happened here, this is...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  28. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Yes, I remember that moment. The fact that you got nervous there seemed real and kind of helped me think you were town. Not that I really needed it, I wasn't reaction testing, I was just... Uh. I mean, it was just a hard thing to say. If I can pull a Cobalt, I will say. I think in that moment, you... clearly felt I was town. (Or at least, felt it was strong enough to be nervous about) Like when you don't know what you think a decision so you flip a coin and while it's in mid-air, suddenly...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  29. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Like. I had what I thought was a solid argument against you, that you flipping your read on Cobalt/me overnight was exactly the thing you'd do as wolf, because you had to. But that was completely wrong. You were just... a townie re-evaluating properly. And I'm probably never gonna use that read again in the future on anyone because it's pretty unfair and it discourages, like... proper town play and honesty.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    I will also say that if I was a wolf who was flipping opportunistically I think I'd probably find a better way to do it than to come in in the morning yelling at you for all your posts about me and saying why I thought you were wolfy for them, then 2 hours later being like "Okay I'm voting Cobalt" But I don't really know because obviously I wasn't thinking of it in those terms. I'd imagine that pissing you off by calling you wolfy would be a bad thing to do if I knew I was going to ask you...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  31. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Sure, I'll talk about Cobalt. The biggest thing is what I already said when I responded to him above. He keeps saying it too. "I'm town because I started doubting my read when I didn't need to" But I said why that's not true. He's arguing that I was so locked in on you that all he needed to do was continuing to wolfread you and I'd inevitably vote there. He's saying that I changed my stance because I saw him doubting, as if he didn't change his stance when he saw me doubting! Yeah, I...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  32. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Um. Well this is part of why I don't like meta, because I don't know how to respond to a case from a past game. A lot of those things feel accurate to my town game, even if I'm sure they were true there as scum. Like, if you ever catch me making a real push on someone that isn't primarily based on sheeping and "idk I just have a PoE", that's a sign you should yeet me because as town I'm a sheep but as scum I suddenly am much more willing to go after people and find reasons for them to be...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 30, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  33. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    It doesn't bother me. Ask me if you need anything.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  34. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Same. Do your thing Fonti, let me know if you need anything else.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  35. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Whooooooaaaaaaa there, pal Buddy I'm not responding to most of your posts but I caught something here I can't let slide! This is so not true! What day was Amy's Joat claim? Day 4? Reg was basically saying on day 2 that he thought the wolves were in a PoE of like, Cuth/Cobalt/Dels! And I don't think anything really changed day 3. I know this because Fonti quoted the post where I said "Reg thinks the team is Cuth/Cobalt/Dels and I don't think that's true." (lol @ think, but you know what i...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  36. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    I also apologize again if any off-hand comments come across as flippant. I'm just feeling so much less stressed at this point but I'm aware you're not, I know you're basically feeling the way I felt for most of the day, and if it's unhelpful I'm sorry.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  37. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    oh, and moments i had doubt on cobalt? uh i mean, day 2. literally the first half of day 2. i was basically trusting your PoE there and that meant he just seemed like a good place to put a vote. second half of day 2, no. it was solid there. days 3, 4, and 5 were about non-cobalt things and i wasn't thinking about him. days 6 and... was yesterday 7? the only time i had a personal doubt was at the start of day 6. i talked about this in-thread a bunch. about how cobalt's EoD4, strongly...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  38. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    and the tl;dr answer to "why did you townread the scum" is a) they were towny day 1 and looked like they were trying to really solve wisp, and then day 2 they became lacking but i didn't wanna scumread them for that due to my biases so i held to it, and then day 3 they needed to die so that was that b) they played in a way that seemed to fit with the confident solve-y "i can snapread people as town off 1 post i'm just that good" town meta i thought they had and not the "i get...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  39. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    I'm not sure how much more I can type. So. What went wrong EoD2? Why did I think tom was scum, and why did I therefore have cobalt/waco as town in a way that led me to vote the way I did at EoD2? Uh. Well. Let's examine that!I don't know the answer to this so we're discovering it together. To put it simply, do you remember how on day 1 I voted Fluff and I said it's because I thought Fluff was toeing the line between seeming active by posting questions and occasional comments, while not...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  40. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Okay, so. I'm not sure if there were any moments of this that I didn't post about in thread. Your EoD2 stuff did remind me I had a ping from Amy that I didn't talk about in thread. This was around the time when she was voting Cuth but then moved to Jari. I did feel a little bit of worry from that, because it felt like her "EoD anxiety" was a bit over the top there and that it could have an agenda. I didn't say this because, it wasn't enough of a concern for me to change my vote. I think...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  41. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    This isn't me being like "Cobalt's a wolf for that" it's just me saying how stupid this situation is because it's not like I have anywhere else to say that
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  42. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Like. My post to Cobalt there was because he made a specific argument for why he's town and I was saying why that argument was flawed. But his posts to me are like: aka "you know you're a wolf, you woooooolf. stop pretending" which is useless shit, and he says I should be making more posts like his? >_> I'm over it. lol. It's just. It's more annoying than I thought it would be.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  43. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    yeah i'll put it on the list though the amy stuff is. like. a lot of it, i guess? i think you know why i townread amy and you certainly know why i townread cobalt, but i can give more of a rundown. also, i went right in the end :D i'd also argue that if we yeet cobalt here, the game was like, always going to be a win regardless of anything. that said, i'm aware it's far from being that so i'm not being flippant, just.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  44. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    I actually didn't remember that, but yeah. I know I defended her, I don't recall her doing anything with me, she just sort of rolled over. I mean, this is the reason why defending wolves is bad: because it's what wolves do. Something I was gonna say earlier but forgot: Amy was always going to townread me in this game. Outside of that game, we've been v/v a few times and she's townread me every time. I'm sure she felt that suspecting me was off the table because I'd be like "wtf, amy, you...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  45. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    I don't think Gemma explained her townread on me much. I think she was following Reg for a lot of it. There's basically nothing about me yesterday. She didn't say much. From day-Vaimes: (About a theory you had about Amy's EoD1: ) Think this kind of shows she was just townreading me from Reg: Going further back... She wasn't townreading me before that, basically. So I'm stopping here. She got there from Reg and I don't think I missed any part where she explained an independant...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  46. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Page 6 of Reg's ISO: Not directly about me, but rules me out as scum: (Townread of me after I outlined my worldview at start of the Vaimes day:) Page 5: (He doesn't really have me as town here, but thinks Amy/Dels are unaligned) Snipped some parts of this, click for full context, but more about me/Amy: Barely about me but whatever I'm being thorough: I'm gonna stop here with Reg, I don't think he townread me before that day other than having an anti-align with Amy, and you have...
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  47. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    ...No I shouldn't? Why would I be telling you you're a wolf? I don't feel the need to scream at you. You're just doing what you have to do. It's a game, I expect you to be lying your ass off right now. A shouting match does nothing. I responded to that post because you posted a reason to be town that I felt I needed to dismantle.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  48. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Okay, busywork time. Page 7 of Reg's ISO: His final post about me: With this addendum: He did also say this, giving you permission to clear Cobalt and overturn his read on me: Some other posts:
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  49. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    -_- I'm addressing your argument. I can say why your argument is wrong. I'm not telling you you're a wolf, I'm responding to it for Fonti's sake.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
  50. Dels
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    JoaT^2 15er - A Mafia Game

    Meh. I said I wasn't gonna reply to you, but this seemed relevant because I think it's a totally false narrative to say you had no reason not to stick with it.
    Post by: Dels, Jul 29, 2020 in forum: Little Italy
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