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Old 05-21-2017, 09:12 PM   #1561
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Dorea and Charlus appeared on The Black Family Tree which Rowling had drawn for charity auction. They clearly weren't intende to be Harry's grandparents (ages didn't match, she would be blasted off for helping Sirius and Sirius would mention her in OoTP). Fleamont is a canon name of Harry's grandfather.

While all this is true, I don't think it was at all clear at the time what Rowling intended: Pollux Black married Irma Crabbe and had a daughter (Walburga) by the time he was 13. Seems a bit much. I'm fairly certain Rowling herself said that her math sucks and should be considered 'rough'. So I don't think it was an unreasonable fanon jump that Charlus Potter - Dorea Black having 'one son' couldn't have been James, especially since we knew that they had James 'late in life' which would explain the generation gap.

This is one of the few moments where fanon got it wrong, but the assumption was completely reasonable.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:43 PM   #1562
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Pretty sure this has probably been discussed before, so no need for a separate thread, but I was wondering: is it possible that Dumbledore could have asked/coerced Petunia not to bring up the magical world during Harry's youth?

Like Dumbledore shows up and says accept the boy into your home and you will be protected as long as he calls the place his residence - however, my one request is that he be kept as far away from magic as possible so that he is truly protected for those wizards who still wish him harm (or to manipulate him/profit from his association, etc).

In other words, is it possible that Dumbledore manipulated Petunia into keeping all knowledge of magic out of young Harry's head (until the time is right)? I kind of like the idea that he had the best of intentions in isolating Harry, but the revelation that Petunia's sister had died at the hands of the world's most dangerous dark wizard drives her to take "MAGIC DOESN'T EXIST" to the extreme (out of fear of her family being hurt again).

Sounds plausible to me, but I'm looking for something in the books that jives with the idea.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:59 PM   #1563
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Pretty sure this has probably been discussed before, so no need for a separate thread, but I was wondering: is it possible that Dumbledore could have asked/coerced Petunia not to bring up the magical world during Harry's youth?

Like Dumbledore shows up and says accept the boy into your home and you will be protected as long as he calls the place his residence - however, my one request is that he be kept as far away from magic as possible so that he is truly protected for those wizards who still wish him harm (or to manipulate him/profit from his association, etc).

In other words, is it possible that Dumbledore manipulated Petunia into keeping all knowledge of magic out of young Harry's head (until the time is right)? I kind of like the idea that he had the best of intentions in isolating Harry, but the revelation that Petunia's sister had died at the hands of the world's most dangerous dark wizard drives her to take "MAGIC DOESN'T EXIST" to the extreme (out of fear of her family being hurt again).

Sounds plausible to me, but I'm looking for something in the books that jives with the idea.
Seems very unlikely, Petunia herself hates magic and everything associated with it.

Not only was she extremely jealous of Lily being magical and her not being able to go to Hogwarts, she wrote a letter to Dumbledore as a child asking if she could go there herself and was furious and acted as if magic was freakish and disgusting because she could not be part of this world.

She also atleast perceived as if her parents were favoring Lily more because she was magical and therefore special.

It is also clear that in DH that she still felt some love for Lily and believes that if Lily wasn't magical they would not have literally lived in different worlds and became so seperated but also makes magical society responsible for her death.

So no Petunia herself despises the magical world and would not voluntarily ever speak about it if she didn't have to.

I think it would be far more likely that if Dumbledore wanted Petunia to tell Harry about magic he would need to coere/pay her instead of the other way.

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Old 05-24-2017, 01:11 PM   #1564
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If Harry was raised in isolation from the wizarding world by muggles why would they bother trying to explain magic to him until he gets his Hogwarts letter? Imagine explaining a secret of that magnitude to a child less that 11 and expect them to keep it a secret. Wouldn't work. Most people avoid difficult conversations. Let alone conversations with little mini people who don't need to know things. Like where babies come from. Or magic. I guess Dumbledore would assume whatever they could tell him could do little damage and why bother trying to censor them? Or why leave a letter if he was going to talk to them...

You're driving into Bumbledork territory, meethinks.

Edit: Goddamn it Kira! That's twice now! This is why I don't post... you glorious bastard

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Old 05-24-2017, 01:38 PM   #1565
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If Harry was raised in isolation from the wizarding world by muggles why would they bother trying to explain magic to him until he gets his Hogwarts letter? Imagine explaining a secret of that magnitude to a child less that 11 and expect them to keep it a secret. Wouldn't work. Most people avoid difficult conversations. Let alone conversations with little mini people who don't need to know things. Like where babies come from. Or magic. I guess Dumbledore would assume whatever they could tell him could do little damage and why bother trying to censor them? Or why leave a letter if he was going to talk to them...

You're driving into Bumbledork territory, meethinks.

Edit: Goddamn it Kira! That's twice now! This is why I don't post... you glorious bastard
Haha sorry, this time we atleast wrote something different

Besides this isn't taking into account what a cunt she is, she told him or atleast didn't contradict Vernon that his parents were good for nothing drunks who got themselves killed just to make Harry feel bad.

She could atleast said that they had a stroke or something she is a bitter piece of work who would not do something to make him feel special or happy.

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