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Old 01-15-2017, 03:15 PM   #5901
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Snore.

Inaccurate and alarmist, as usual.
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Old 01-15-2017, 06:05 PM   #5902
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Snore.

Inaccurate and alarmist, as usual.
Would you care to elaborate on that statement?
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Old 01-15-2017, 06:48 PM   #5903
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Would you care to elaborate on that statement?
We were talking about this on IRC earlier, but the long and short of it is, the thing in question was a procedural change, not some vast new assault on freedom. The article makes it seem hugely more nefarious. Hence my comment.
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It's the intercept. Greenwald's rag is devoted to portraying every intelligence community procedural change as a nefarious attack on freedom.

Hardly surprising.
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:06 PM   #5905
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We were talking about this on IRC earlier, but the long and short of it is, the thing in question was a procedural change, not some vast new assault on freedom. The article makes it seem hugely more nefarious. Hence my comment.
I see thanks for clearing that up.
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:35 PM   #5906
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Definitely a bit exaggerated, but I do think it's fair to point out that a lot of people who were fine with Obama's expansion of executive power are going to seriously regret it once Trump's in office.

Granted, the presidency expanding its powers has been going on for a long time, so the worst one can say against Obama is that he didn't buck the trend.
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Old 01-16-2017, 01:50 AM   #5907
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Donald Trump called NATO obsolete, predicted that other European Union members would follow the U.K. in leaving the bloc, and threatened BMW with import duties over a planned plant in Mexico, according to two European newspapers which conducted a joint interview with the president-elect.
Well, at least you can't say that the guy is just the new iteration of the same old song and dance.

I just can't see what the benefit of 'some good deals' with Russia would be. Aside from the frequent sabre-rattling, it is a paranoid country that borderline hates the west with GDP the size of Italy. How exactly is it smart to stir shit with EU to make 'good deals' with Russia is a bit beyond me. Maybe he considers it some strange zero-sum game in which weak and fractured Europe benefits US?
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I'd be anxiously waiting to see what our Eastern European NATO allies reaction to this is, if it weren't for the fact that the term "European Allies" may be obsolete soon too.
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Trump just promised that everyone will have insurance with his Obamacare replacement. That would reassure me somewhat if I could believe him. But its just making me more nervous, he obviously has no idea what he's talking about. Maybe it'll provide political cover for Democrats not accepting any Republican plan that does not meet that promise though.
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Well, at least you can't say that the guy is just the new iteration of the same old song and dance.

I just can't see what the benefit of 'some good deals' with Russia would be. Aside from the frequent sabre-rattling, it is a paranoid country that borderline hates the west with GDP the size of Italy. How exactly is it smart to stir shit with EU to make 'good deals' with Russia is a bit beyond me. Maybe he considers it some strange zero-sum game in which weak and fractured Europe benefits US?
He doesn't have any understanding of modern economics. It's important to remember this is a 70 year old reality tv person who hasn't paid taxes in a decade.
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Old 01-16-2017, 01:13 PM   #5911
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He doesn't have any understanding of modern economics. It's important to remember this is a 70 year old reality tv person who hasn't paid taxes in a decade.
If Trump has ever looked at his own accounts I would be very surprised.
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If Trump has ever looked at his own accounts I would be very surprised.
And with the amount of money he deals with you would need accountants and tax advisers to understand what exactly is going on.
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And with the amount of money he deals with you would need accountants and tax advisers to understand what exactly is going on.
True. He did start off with only a small loan of a million dollars.
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So, I read this really interesting article on The Diplomat, and it seems to be the final nail for my opinion that Obama's FP was a disaster in achievement terms, with its victories (only two major ones that I can remember, Iran and Cuba, both against deeply isolated countries by their peers and Iran is already empowered and had twk international military allies) being by far overshadowed by its defeats. TTP's death, rising insta instability in all of Southern Asia, Syria, that fucking line in the sand, more or less leaving Europe to itself, Ukraine, etc.

http://thediplomat.com/2017/01/the-p...ampaign=buffer

But that's me, I'm just an IR enthusiast, so I could be wrong about the finer, more important details and caveats.
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Another way to look at is that he did everything in his power to minimise the growth of Chinese influence, and the resurgence of Russian influence - all the whilst having to deal with a Congress that hated him, a NATO who mostly wouldn't pull their weight, and a bunch of leaders in the Middle East and Africa doing their utmost to fuck around.

He didn't have massive, noteworthy successes, but I think its possible that in the future his IR will be seen as a period of soft influence that was quite effective in achieving its goals.
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So, I read this really interesting article on The Diplomat, and it seems to be the final nail for my opinion that Obama's FP was a disaster in achievement terms, with its victories (only two major ones that I can remember, Iran and Cuba, both against deeply isolated countries by their peers and Iran is already empowered and had twk international military allies) being by far overshadowed by its defeats. TTP's death, rising insta instability in all of Southern Asia, Syria, that fucking line in the sand, more or less leaving Europe to itself, Ukraine, etc.

http://thediplomat.com/2017/01/the-p...ampaign=buffer

But that's me, I'm just an IR enthusiast, so I could be wrong about the finer, more important details and caveats.
I'm overall inclined to agree that things aren't looking good for Obama's foreign policy record. Which is pretty sad considering how ridiculously popular he was internationally when he first came into office. The guy even got a Nobel Peace Prize just for not being Bush.
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Moving to Trump's Presidency thread since it's done and dusted now.
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