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Old 11-21-2016, 07:30 AM   #1
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Week 4: Chamber of Secrets, Ch. 10 - 18


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Old 11-22-2016, 08:25 AM   #2
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The reread's really slowed down, huh? Lucky I'm still here.


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Harry was hauled to the front of the class during their very next Defense Against the Dark Arts lesson, this time acting a werewolf. If he hadn’t had a very good reason for keeping Lockhart in a good mood, he would have refused to do it.

“Nice loud howl, Harry — exactly — and then, if you’ll believe it, I pounced — like this — slammed him to the floor — thus with one hand, I managed to hold him down — with my other, I put my wand to his throat — I then screwed up my remaining strength and performed the immensely complex Homorphus Charm - he let out a piteous moan — go on, Harry — higher than that — good — the fur vanished — the fangs shrank — and he turned back into a man.
Simple, yet effective — and another village will remember me forever as the hero who delivered them from the monthly terror of werewolf attacks.”
"immmensely complex", then the next sentence he says is "simple yet effective". Oh, Lockhart.
Also FYI considering Sirius/Remus uses IIRC the Homorphous charm to turn "Scabbers" back and yet no one used it on Lupin, this doesn't actually work. In all likelihood this is fully fictional, rather than just Lockhart going for a self-insert, as it were.

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Lockhart’ll sign anything if it stands still long enough.
Now that I'm not twelve anymore this is a rather less innocent joke.

Thinking about it, fanfiction has made Polyjuice look rather more common than it really is, IMO. It's apparently pretty tricky to pull off.

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“I can mend bones in a second — but growing them back —”
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Dobby remembers how it was when He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named was at the height of his powers, sir!
How old is Dobby, anyway?

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But mostly, sir, life has improved for my kind since you triumphed over He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.
Interesting.

How did Dobby know about the Chamber of Secrets plot? Did Lucius discuss it with someone?

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Harry ducked swiftly down behind his cauldron, pulled one of Fred’s Filibuster fireworks out of his pocket, and gave it a quick prod with his wand. The firework began to fizz and sputter.
Knowing he had only seconds, Harry straightened up, took aim, and lobbed it into the air; it landed right on target in Goyle’s cauldron.
Nothing ever really came of Snape suspecting Harry blew up Goyle's Swelling Solution on purpose, did it? Unless the snake stunt was retaliation for that, but went up going rather differently than he'd probably expected it to.

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Snape’s upper lip was curling. Harry wondered why Lockhart was still smiling; if Snape had been looking at him like that he’d have been running as fast as he could in the opposite direction.
Sometime later in HBP:
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Snape flicked his wand and the curse was repelled yet again; but Harry was mere feet away now and he could see Snape’s face clearly at last: He was no longer sneering or jeering; the blazing flames showed a face full of rage.
So, y'know. Didn't quite turn out that way.

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“Now, Harry,” said Lockhart. “When Draco points his wand at you, you do this.”
He raised his own wand, attempted a complicated sort of wiggling action, and dropped it. Snape smirked as Lockhart quickly picked it up, saying, “Whoops— my wand is a little overexcited—”
Snape moved closer to Malfoy, bent down, and whispered something in his ear. Malfoy smirked, too. Harry looked up nervously at Lockhart and said, “Professor, could you show me that blocking thing again?
So spells have to be blocked or deflected or the like BEFORE the spell's been fired, is how I read this.

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“I’ve heard you hate those Muggles you live with,” said Ernie swiftly.
Seriously, where the hell did the idea that no one knows Harry's circumstances come from? It's been exposed as bullshit again and again.

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This must be where Dumbledore lived.
Lived, not worked.

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They can carry immensely heavy loads, their tears have healing powers, and they make highly faithful pets.
Note the word "pets".

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At last the term ended, and a silence deep as the snow on the grounds descended on the castle. Harry found it peaceful, rather than gloomy, and enjoyed the fact that he, Hermione, and the Weasleys had the run of Gryffindor Tower, which meant they could play Exploding Snap loudly without bothering anyone, and practice dueling in private. Fred, George, and Ginny had chosen to stay at school rather than visit Bill in Egypt with Mr. and Mrs. Weasley.
First off, I wonder why Fred, George and Ginny chose to stay at Hogwarts.
Second, "practice dueling in private" is interesting.

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The words had barely left his mouth when a girl with long, curly hair emerged from the entrance.
This was Penelope Clearwater, right?

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Mr. Weasley was unavailable for comment, although his wife told reporters to clear off or she’d set the family ghoul on them.
Heh.

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“Yeah…” said Malfoy. “Luckily, they didn’t find much. Father’s got some very valuable Dark Arts stuff. But luckily, we’ve got our own secret chamber under the drawing-room floor —”
Did Ron ever tell his dad this, actually?
EDIT: yes, he did. Forgot to take this remark out.

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Hermione remained in the hospital wing for several weeks.
Damn, that's pretty long.

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Maybe he murdered Myrtle; that would’ve done everyone a favor…”
Oh, Ron.

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And while Harry was sure he had never heard the name T. M. Riddle before, it still seemed to mean something to him, almost as though Riddle was a friend he’d had when he was very small, and had half forgotten.
More indication of Horcruxing? I'd say so.

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and in March several of the Mandrakes threw a loud and raucous party in greenhouse three. This made Professor Sprout very
happy.
“The moment they start trying to move into each other’s pots, we’ll know they’re fully mature,” she told Harry. “Then we’ll be able to revive those poor people in the hospital wing.”
The Mandrakes being jokes about teenagers is fantastic.

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“It’s never too early to think about the future, so I’d recommend Divination. People say Muggle Studies is a soft option, but I personally think
wizards should have a thorough understanding of the non-magical community, particularly if they’re thinking of working in close contact with them — look at my father, he has to deal with Muggle business all the time. My brother Charlie was always more of an outdoor type, so he went for Care of Magical Creatures. Play to your strengths, Harry.”
Says Percy. Note that he doesn't recommend Ancient Runes nor Arithmancy.

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“We do not name it! I never even told Hagrid the name of that dread creature, though he asked me, many times.”
I wonder if it means something he says "the name". We usually either just call it the Basilisk or something silly.

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“I have good news,” she said, and the Great Hall, instead of falling silent, erupted.
“Dumbledore’s coming back!” several people yelled joyfully.
“You’ve caught the Heir of Slytherin!” squealed a girl at the Ravenclaw table.
“Quidditch matches are back on!” roared Wood excitedly
Wood is fucking hilarious, too.

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But Harry wasn’t looking at Hermione’s face. He was more interested in her right hand. It lay
clenched on top of her blankets, and bending closer, he saw that a piece of paper was scrunched
inside her fist.
Bit weird none of the professors saw this. If Ron and Harry had just told one of the professors, too, that would've resolved the mystery a lot quicker.
A bit anti-climactic, admittedly.

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And then, at last, as he crept around yet another bend, he saw a solid wall ahead on which two entwined serpents were carved, their eyes set with great, glinting emeralds.
Emerald eyes, eh?

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Riddle’s face contorted. Then he forced it into an awful smile. “So. Your mother died to save you. Yes, that’s a powerful counter charm. I can see now… there is nothing special about you, after all. I wondered, you see. There are strange likenesses between us, after all. Even you must have noticed. Both half-bloods, orphans, raised by Muggles. Probably the only two Parselmouths to come to Hogwarts since the great Slytherin himself.
Important bit here is "Probably the only two Parselmouths to come to Hogwarts since the great Slytherin himself." I knew they were rare, but not that they were that rare.

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Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can’t see where it keeps its brain?
Ironically his car can think for itself, clearly.

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“You can speak Parseltongue, Harry,” said Dumbledore calmly, “because Lord Voldemort—who is the last remaining ancestor of Salazar Slytherin—can speak Parseltongue. Unless I’m much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to do, I’m sure…”

“Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?” Harry said, thunderstruck.
More horcrux foreshadowing! A lot more blatant than the previous ones were.

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They played Exploding Snap, set off the very last of Fred and George’s Filibuster fireworks, and practiced disarming each other by magic. Harry was getting very good at it.
More dueling practice.

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Old 11-24-2016, 03:21 AM   #3
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Old 11-24-2016, 04:36 PM   #4
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Important bit here is "Probably the only two Parselmouths to come to Hogwarts since the great Slytherin himself." I knew they were rare, but not that they were that rare.
Either Rowling planned from the start for him being wrong (less probable) or she changed her opinion later.

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There is clear evidence that the Chamber was opened more than once between the death of Slytherin and the entrance of Tom Riddle in the twentieth century. When first created, the Chamber was accessed through a concealed trapdoor and a series of magical tunnels. However, when Hogwarts’ plumbing became more elaborate in the eighteenth century (this was a rare instance of wizards copying Muggles, because hitherto they simply relieved themselves wherever they stood, and vanished the evidence), the entrance to the Chamber was threatened, being located on the site of a proposed bathroom. The presence in school at the time of a student called Corvinus Gaunt – direct descendant of Slytherin, and antecedent of Tom Riddle – explains how the simple trapdoor was secretly protected, so that those who knew how could still access the entrance to the Chamber even after newfangled plumbing had been placed on top of it.
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Old 11-24-2016, 06:27 PM   #5
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The family is careful not to pass Dobby even a sock, sir
So the Malfoys do their own laundry?

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attack on Colin Creevey
I realise subjecting the infamous Hogwarts rumour mill to logic is futile, but why does no-one mention that Harry has an extremely good alibi for Colin's attack, which would then cast doubt on his involvement in the other attacks? He's in the Hospital Wing, observed by Pomfrey, McGonagall and Dumbledore himself, and only has one arm at the time. Hey ho.

Chapter 11: The Dueling Club

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Conjuring up portable, water-proof fires was a speciality of Hermione's.
Particularly pertinent given the new evidence for specific specialisations from FBAWTFT.

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I need the headmaster's permission ter put a charm round the hen-coop
As I typed this I remembered that he says something similar in PS about going to get Harry to Diagon Alley, but this does seem weird. Hagrid's expelled for, as we find out here, apparently murdering someone, and his wand gets snapped to stop him doing magic. But he can go to Dumbledore and get permission? I get Dumbledore wouldn't care, probably even if he didn't know Hagrid hadn't unleashed the monster, but...how does this work?

Chapter 12: The Polyjuice Potion

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George pretended to ward Harry off with a large clove of garlic when they met
Good to see Quirrelmort taught them something.

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I'll just have to tell the Slytherins I've decided to come back.
IT CANT POSSIBLY FAIL.

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I sneaked these spare robes out of the laundry
So the house-elves don't do the laundry, which makes sense given the clothing thing. So do the students learn basic household magic while they're at Hogwarts?

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'I wish I knew who it is,' Malfoy said petulantly. 'I could help them.'
Friendly reminder that whatever character growth he undergoes later in the series, whatever you want to say about toxic influences at home, Malfoy once said that he wanted to help kill people because of their blood.

Chapter 13: The Very Secret Diary

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To Miss Granger, wishing you a speedy recovery...
While this is obviously supposed to just be another example of Lockhart's obsequiousness, if you look at it another way it's really creepy.

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Snape was looking as though the first person to ask him for a Love Potion would be force-fed poison.
Oh hey, Ron in HBP!

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A boy of about sixteen entered, taking off his pointed hat.
So they are worn day to day, not just at the start of year feast or whatever.

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Best not to roam the corridors these days. Not since...
Some foreshadowing and fridge logic here. Foreshadowing: if Dumbledore is concerned about student safety, why wouldn't he escort Riddle back to his common room? Because he knows that he's perfectly safe from the monster. Fridge logic: why wouldn't he escort Riddle back? He might attack another student!

Chapter 14: Cornelius Fudge

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Harry had inherited just one thing from his father: a long and silvery Invisibility Cloak.
...and a mountain of gold, his good looks and Snape's undying hatred, but sure, one thing.

Chapter 15: Aragog

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Harry left the Invisibility Cloak on Hagrid's table.
You'd think he'd remember what happened the last time he left the Cloak somewhere. Detention in the Forest and 150 points lost. Ah well.
@BTT: re: Fred, George and Ginny staying at Hogwarts. Ginny can probably partly be explained by possession, but it occurs to me that the family was only able to visit Bill between CoS and PoA because they won some money, and this is just after Arthur's been fined 50 galleons. Maybe Fred and George knew they couldn't really afford for the whole family to go, so decided to stick at Hogwarts.
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I realise subjecting the infamous Hogwarts rumour mill to logic is futile, but why does no-one mention that Harry has an extremely good alibi for Colin's attack, which would then cast doubt on his involvement in the other attacks? He's in the Hospital Wing, observed by Pomfrey, McGonagall and Dumbledore himself, and only has one arm at the time. Hey ho.
Implying school children use logic when gossiping, lol.
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More interesting is why Malfoy and his lackeys stayed at Hogwarts during Christmas. Should they attend one of them fancy pureblood balls? /sarcasm
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Can we all take a moment to acknowledge something here:

Ron's greatest fear, as he repeatedly mentions in this book, is spiders, a perfectly logical phobia that can happen when his brothers do something genuinely horrifying when he was only a little kid. And he is being asked to follow spiders. Even in the movie, before they enter the Forest, Ron perfectly captured that fear in the way his voice cracked.

But despite all that, he entered the Forest anyway. Well before the Boggart, he literally faced his greatest fear of giant spiders that would happily kill him. And why? Because the school, Hagrid, and Hermione were all in danger, and he needed to go there with Harry to find out what happened.

For comparison, Hermione broke down when faced with what she knew to be a boggart in what she knew to be just a test.

Ron Weasley, the guy most of Fanon long considered a coward eager to leave and betray his friends, is being about as brave and loyal as you can get here. I'd like to see most of Fanon be in the same situation as Ron here and still enter the Forest.
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Percy wasn't there. He had gone to send an owl to Mr and Mrs Weasley, then shut himself up in his dormitory
Percy's not the most likeable character in the series, although he's arguably under-rated, but damn. His girlfriend and his little sister both Petrified in the space of a couple of months. When you think about this, you might start to look at his support for the Ministry in a new light, although the seeds were obviously there already.

On a more general note, I'd forgotten just how awesome the climax to CoS is. Harry and Ron pulling themselves from the depths of despair, bullying a teacher into coming along with them and solving a centuries old mystery is just the start. Then Harry faces off with Voldemort again, more helpless than he's been at any point previously - he doesn't have his wand, and his mother's protection is presumably worthless because Memory!Riddle can't touch him at this stage. The best thing? He's terrified, and then he squashes that down and goes with anger. He tears Riddle to shreds, and that's before he gets hold of a sword.

Then he does, of course, face down a centuries old monster armed only with something he has zero idea of how to properly use, and when he gets mortally wounded his only thought is to reassure Fawkes about how brilliant he was. Then we get another glimpse of Harry's instinctive grasp of magic, when he destroys the diary.

Meanwhile, Ron's been busy single-handedly tearing down a wall while, it's implied, taking out his frustration by occasionally beating up Lockhart.

It's just epic.
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Friendly reminder that whatever character growth he undergoes later in the series, whatever you want to say about toxic influences at home, Malfoy once said that he wanted to help kill people because of their blood.
All he wanted to do was secure the existence of his people and a future for magical children! How's that bad?!

Also he's like, blonde and rich and doesn't want to straight up murder Dumbledore so he's a good guy and totally dreamy right?!

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Ron Weasley, the guy most of Fanon long considered a coward eager to leave and betray his friends, is being about as brave and loyal as you can get here. I'd like to see most of Fanon be in the same situation as Ron here and still enter the Forest.
I've always been a bit of a Ron defender, since he gets a really bad rap despite being a genuinely decent guy (unlike Hermione who I can't stand, and who gets the absolute opposite treatment with all her flaws getting ignored), but until this reread I honestly didn't remember just how decent.

All I can say is the people calling him a bad friend must have some extraordinarily good friends if he really doesn't meet the standard. As in friends who have taken multiple actual bullets for them, and hook up with the good looking girl's fat friend to clear the way every time.

Not sure I have any friends who'd put up with the same level of shit Harry and Hermione make Ron deal with.
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“I was wondering if I could keep it,” she said breathlessly.
“Oh, come on,” said Ron, wrenching it from her grasp and thrusting it at Madam Pince. “We’ll get you another autograph. Lockhart’ll sign anything if it stands still long enough.”

This is the type of stuff they got rid of in the movies, that made Ron into a better character than the oft-bashed non-character he was portrayed as. Rereading the series has made me 100% confident that Ron deserves so much better than the typical bashing so popular in FF these days...
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So spells have to be blocked or deflected or the like BEFORE the spell's been fired, is how I read this.
I always assumed that pretty much every spell had an instantaneous effect when properly cast, which meant that the only way to shield one was to predict it and cast first, kind of ruins all the fanon duels of slow moving beams and balls of light. I think I can forgive this one being interpreted differently though as it does make for more action packed duels.

Even the Killing Curse seems to be an instantaneous flash of green light which kills its victim instantly after being cast, so no conjured concrete walls I'm afraid.
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"immmensely complex", then the next sentence he says is "simple yet effective". Oh, Lockhart.
Also FYI considering Sirius/Remus uses IIRC the Homorphous charm to turn "Scabbers" back and yet no one used it on Lupin, this doesn't actually work. In all likelihood this is fully fictional, rather than just Lockhart going for a self-insert, as it were.
I think it’s just as usual, Lockhart had no idea how the spells are supposed to work. Otherwise, his pixie banishing spell wouldn’t have been the dud as it is. If that spell actually works as Lockhart intended, surely Remus would have asked someone to use it on himself? It’s a shame if Lockhart actually knew the spells he could have been an effective teacher.
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Seriously, where the hell did the idea that no one knows Harry's circumstances come from? It's been exposed as bullshit again and again.
I am guessing people know the general fact that Harry lived with Muggle relatives but not all the details like how horrible the Dursleys are. Also Ernie was a complete jerk here but probably no worse than the average teenage student.
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IT CANT POSSIBLY FAIL.
I am guessing Hermione is counting on the fact that she will be able to extract herself just before the hour is up and maybe she has already planned what stories to use when confronted.
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First off, I wonder why Fred, George and Ginny chose to stay at Hogwarts.
Second, "practice dueling in private" is interesting.
The Weasley parents probably decided not to take them along for whatever reason. It’s the same story in PS where Molly and Arthur visited Charlie and left Percy, the twins and Ron at Hogwarts.
I do wish we can see more scenes of the Trio practising and improving in their duelling skills rather than being told.
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I realise subjecting the infamous Hogwarts rumour mill to logic is futile, but why does no-one mention that Harry has an extremely good alibi for Colin's attack, which would then cast doubt on his involvement in the other attacks? He's in the Hospital Wing, observed by Pomfrey, McGonagall and Dumbledore himself, and only has one arm at the time. Hey ho.
Sigh… this is a really good point. I remember Hermione said in PS that even some of the greatest wizards doesn’t have an ounce of logic and which seems to be repeatedly confirmed over the course of the books, so it’s probably not surprising that most wizard kids have little to no idea of analysing a situation logically and coming to an appropriate conclusion.
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You'd think he'd remember what happened the last time he left the Cloak somewhere. Detention in the Forest and 150 points lost. Ah well.
I guess it’s just that Harry can sometimes have really short memories on certain issues and it’s not the last time he left that cloak lying around. He did it again in PoA and Hermione had to retrieve it for him.

Well said, Rhaeger I! You said it better than I could myself.
It’s one thing to simply dislike a character as he is in canon and something else to lie about who he is. It honestly amuses me how some haters can claim Ron left the camping trip in DH because of cowardice when the scene points to a completely different set of reasons.
They also forgot that Ron didn’t have to hang around with Harry and Hermione if he doesn’t want to. He had no issues hanging around with Seamus and Dean who seemed to have accepted him without any fuss when he was estranged from Harry.

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This is the type of stuff they got rid of in the movies, that made Ron into a better character than the oft-bashed non-character he was portrayed as. Rereading the series has made me 100% confident that Ron deserves so much better than the typical bashing so popular in FF these days...
Yes, I think too many people confused FF!Ron with canon!Ron which are two completely different characters. I think Rowling did a good job to show he is more than jealous and comic relief through his dialogue with others but for some reason people refuse to acknowledge it. Maybe it’s a consequence of the shipping wars?

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Either Rowling planned from the start for him being wrong (less probable) or she changed her opinion later.
Perhaps Rowling did plan for Riddle to be wrong considering how many other things Riddle has been shown to not known or wrong about in this book and the series?

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On a more general note, I'd forgotten just how awesome the climax to CoS is. Harry and Ron pulling themselves from the depths of despair, bullying a teacher into coming along with them and solving a centuries old mystery is just the start. Then Harry faces off with Voldemort again, more helpless than he's been at any point previously - he doesn't have his wand, and his mother's protection is presumably worthless because Memory!Riddle can't touch him at this stage. The best thing? He's terrified, and then he squashes that down and goes with anger. He tears Riddle to shreds, and that's before he gets hold of a sword.

Then he does, of course, face down a centuries old monster armed only with something he has zero idea of how to properly use, and when he gets mortally wounded his only thought is to reassure Fawkes about how brilliant he was. Then we get another glimpse of Harry's instinctive grasp of magic, when he destroys the diary.

Meanwhile, Ron's been busy single-handedly tearing down a wall while, it's implied, taking out his frustration by occasionally beating up Lockhart.

It's just epic.
Agreed, although I suppose if Riddle used Harry’s wand on him instead of the Basilisk things might have turned out differently.
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