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2nd amendment / gun discussion thread: Keep it in here

Discussion in 'Politics' started by LogrusMage, Nov 20, 2008.

  1. vlad

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    Woah.

    Ninth Circuit(!) rules a constitutional right to open-carry.

    My own view is that this *is* a right but one that should be exercised with due gravitas. Hopefully nobody goes and fucks it up by holding a sperg rally chock full of rifles.
     
  2. Darth_Revan

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    Actually, they affirmed the right to carry in public. The Hawaii state provision limited them to the home.

    I don't think they ruled on the specific kind of carry, be it open or concealed, or any other derivative issue.

    From the opinion:

     
  3. Joe's Nemesis

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    Interesting. That means either (1) open carry is allowed or (2) a state must be "shall issue." The question is, which one would a state opt for? IMO, "shall issue" is better from the pov of the state as it gives them a chance to do a background check with fingerprints. On the other hand, open carry is more in line with the spirit of the rule because "shall issue" still limits the rights of gun owners to carry in that period of time between buying a weapon and receiving their license. It also puts a secondary, undue financial burden on the gun owner to simply express his or her rights, something that's been readily rebuked for other constitutionally protected rights.
     
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    Given the trajectory of the news coverage, I can only assume it's being interpreted as meaning the first one.
     
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    Probably, but I was thinking of precedent for the rest of the states, at least under the ninth. In other words, every state must allow one or the other.
     
  6. Nazgus

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    NRA seems to be in hot financial water.

    Haven't had time to dig into it, but it raises interesting questions. You may dislike them, but if you abstract away the people involved you have the government pressuring institutions to cut ties with a perfectly legal non-profit in order to disrupt its activities just because it dislikes their political position.
     
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    Assuming the allegations made by the NRA are true, the New York government has certainly been engaging in some sleazy shit that needs to be slapped down ASAP.

    I'm not entirely convinced the allegations are true, though, and not a PR exercise to cover for the recent Russian revelations.
     
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    Yeah. The main question is are the insurance/banking institutions cutting ties because of public pressure/Russia allegations, or because of government pressure?

    If the first, then all is good. If the second? That's really sketchy and should not be happening.
     
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    It would certainly seem that would be the case; following the white house's example of "play the martyr no matter what is really happening" or the like. Like both political parties, a lot would be gained by them giving a bit of ground on certain small things to keep the bigger issues in sight.

    Of course, the political parties aren't posting what basically amount to light jihadist recruiting videos shortly after mass killings involving firearms either, so maybe they might have brought this upon themselves a bit.
     
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    It's never a good idea to believe every word in a civil litigant's court filing. They tend to be shrill and in extremis.

    In this instance, it's only when you get to the bottom of the article that you find out the State of New York took its actions in response to the NRA's illegal activity.

    Cry me a river.
     
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