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British EU Referendum Thread

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Taure, Oct 13, 2015.

  1. Taure

    Taure Magical Core Enthusiast Prestige DLP Supporter

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    But you're not from the EU :p

    This would be illegal under EU law. The fundamental principle underlying almost all EU law is that of non-discrimination between member states.
     
  2. World

    World Oberstgruppenführer Moderator DLP Supporter

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    Uh... huh? You got any sources on that?

    I get that it might be important for a mortgage based market to be able to freely adjust their rates, but the rest? As far as I know GB has never really attempted to join the Euro (five tests, etc).

    Also, I don't share your all-or-nothing approach to EU/EZ membership. Yes, there is a danger that the EZ countries may use their dominant position to the detriment of non-EZ countries, but I don't think that means leaving it all behind is a necessary consequence.
     
  3. Taure

    Taure Magical Core Enthusiast Prestige DLP Supporter

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday

    Gordon Brown's five tests came much later - they were about whether the UK would attempt to join the Euro after the Euro had already launched. But before the Euro launched, the ERM existed as a precursor mechanism to pave the way for the Euro and the UK was a member of that.
     
  4. World

    World Oberstgruppenführer Moderator DLP Supporter

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    Ah, thanks. I remember hearing about Soros' moneymaking success, but I hadn't realised that it was linked to the 'fixed' exchange rate. It certainly paints the picture that Britain shouldn't join the EU, although Italy too had problems and seems to have survived joining the EZ.
     
  5. carvell

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    They have dragged the Queen in this

    This will affect peoples opinions on the EU as she is well respected all over the world, either way this is going to cause a big stink.
     
  6. Hachi

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    It's also from the Sun. Not really a reliable newspaper.
     
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    Its funny you say that because the Sun went to great lengths to state that it had two very dependable independant sources quoting her. It clearly knows its own reputation, so I wonder how valid this must be.
     
  8. Aekiel

    Aekiel Angle of Mispeling Prestige DLP Supporter

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    To be honest, I'm not particularly surprised that the monarch of a country who lived through World War II is against an 'ever closer union' with the nations her country fought against. On the other hand, Prince William has hinted that he's pro-Union, so it's not as though the entire monarchy is behind leaving.
     
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    The Crown has categorically denied she said what they claim, and I'm more inclined to believe them than the Sun.
     
  10. Oment

    Oment The Betrayer

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    It's also hardly a mutually exclusive thing - as much as various people would like it to be because easy grouping - to hold both a dislike of the current unruly toddlers (and the odd utterly ineffective teacher) that make up the EU and a generally positive/neutral stance towards European cooperation. (And a possible skeptic eye towards the increased cooperation of the past years.) It might well be that there's a somewhat substantial portion of the electorate that reasons along the lines of 'The UK serves as a valuable counterweight to continental Europe in the EU, and voting to get out is only going to end up biting us twice over' come the referendum.

    Also, with @Darth_Revan on The Sun's reliability. They beat out the Daily Mail, but literally anything beats the DM, so that's not exactly a compliment.
     
  11. Aekiel

    Aekiel Angle of Mispeling Prestige DLP Supporter

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    You can't really take that as fact any more than the Sun's claim. The Monarchy has traditionally been apolitical and their public relations department have been very assiduous in making sure that any gaffes like this are swept under the carpet.

    That said, I put as much weight behind the Sun's journalistic ethics as I do Trump's campaign promises. I suppose I should have said that I could believe it, rather than assuming the article as fact.
     
  12. Chengar Qordath

    Chengar Qordath The Final Pony Prestige

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    In other words, it's possible that Elizabeth Windsor might have opinion on the matter, but Queen Elizabeth II most certainly does not?
     
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    Aekiel Angle of Mispeling Prestige DLP Supporter

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    Exactly my point. The person who is the Queen has opinions, but the Monarchy doesn't.
     
  14. JoJo23

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    I fully believed it was utter nonsense until Nick Clegg mentioned he had "no recollection" of it happening. Which kind of seems like the kind of weasel words that mean "it happened".

    The queens opinion doesnt matter too much, but the weaponisation of the monarchy does. Gove has a lot to answer for. Its really pretty unacceptable.
     
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    Exclusive: Royal family considers jumping aboard the Stay campaign, because they can't stand Leavers' faces:

     
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    I've read this earlier today... would it matter? I'd think that Brexiters are probably people that want proud traditional UK to stand alone in defiance of socialistic Europe... aren't they kind of people likely to care what the Queen has to say?
     
  17. Taure

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    ... it's not a real article. Check the date.
     
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    Oh, I should have guessed that, bits like that: " “He admires what Tsipras and Varoufakis achieved – in fact he told friends he sees something of his younger self in the charismatic, motorbike-riding, eye-for-the-ladies Varoufakis. Mind you,” added the source, “he also thinks the Greeks would never have got into this mess if the colonels had still been in power.” " were just too funny :)
    Here in Poland every political joke today looks believable, because our politics turned to one big (and sad) joke lately...
     
  19. Xepheria

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    I find it quite said that both sides of the debate have resorted to fearmongering to garner support, instead of engaging in rational discourse, supported by independent studies and statistics. But, I guess, fear sells. It always has.

    That being said, I've yet to encounter a convincing argument as to why we should actually leave.

    My opinion doesn't really matter, since I fall just a few months shy of being able to vote in the referendum, but I would like to see proper discussion somewhere along the lines of what the Scots did last year, rather than the clownfiesta that it currently is.
     
  20. Mordecai

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    The Scottish referendum was one big fearmongering clusterfuck as well. Neither side actually bothered with more than a superficial attempt at real debate. The National parties have taken note of what strategies worked to gain support, and are doing the old rinse and repeat.