Hello all.

Sloth and I are setting up a possible game based around our future book.

Thus far its relatively role heavy and no where near balanced and ready. It will be Bastard cause I'm an asshole. ^-^

Okay some question I have.

When it comes to role heavy games....what are players feelings on when 80% of the roles have abilities and skills and a few people are Vanilla? Are there some players who PREFER to not have a role and just focus on the mechanics of other people in the game? Or do people want to have roles like a majority of the other players

 

I think it's perfectly okay to have a couple of players without roles in a role-madness game, and I, for one, am okay not having a role. That said, I'm not sure what the rest of the questions mean - do you intend on allowing people to choose if they have no roles? Because, IMO, that's right out.

With the proviso of different meta, etc.

 

No we wouldnt let people choose. I just mean that if everyone else is randomly assigned a role....and a majority of these roles have abilities and a few are vanilla how people feel about this set up. Do they not care or care about having an ability in an ability heavy game

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

(I'm sure some players would be disappointed (and maybe I even would be) but...that's not something it's your job to balance around.)

 

Hm. Given my experience in CYS, I'd say that I wouldn't necessarily mind being a vanilla in a powered game. I didn't utilize my one ability until practically the last day and it went awry then anyway. But Batmafia was a lot more fun having an ability to utilize every Night(NK or Clayface).

 

if im understanding correctly you want a more pr heavy game

so pretending its 13p you would have 2-3 scum PR vs 7-8 town PRs and 2 VTish?

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it sounds like you want to run a JOAT-like game

 

At the moment its 18 players

11 Town

5 Scum

2 3rd party

...Already thinking i have too many scum

 

What's a JOAT?

 

4 of the town are vanilla

 

JOAT: jack of all trades

its usually a role that has several 1-shot abilities an example would be

"You are a JOAT with a 1-shot cop, 1-shot roleblock, 1-shot vig"

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jack-of-all-trades

the wiki itself can give a better idea of it

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since you guys are going high powered, i think 5 scums can work out, but it is a stretch.

do you have ideas on what your doing for 3rd parties?

 

Jack Of All Trades: someone with several powers. (I think)

 

Hm. Cool. Not exactly that, but similar.

Ok guys, what are some good ways to prevent mass-claimings?
Does the game need a Riddler-like character or is there more that can be done?

 

at the moment SK and Murderous survivor. As in the latter needs to survive until the game is all one faction. If he does the other faction instantly loses because he kills them all

 

There's making it so that most roles are not specific to one alignment, I guess.

 

the roles are named characters

 

Make important town roles macho. Don't make the town/scum roles openly known, so claiming isn't assured. Allow for fake-claims of scum roles (if town have a flavor name, give scum one). Make it so that there is a list of possible roles, but the exact ones are not known.

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And yeah, 7/18 is too much IMO. 3/3 scum teams is better - IMO - to allow crossfire, but a third is about the max. I mean, you may have other mechanics making it okay, of course.

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Oh, you named the third party. Yeah, too much IMO.

 

riddler-like role is a default way to prevent it. but easily gets countered if the riddler role dies

most times mods make the setup where massclaims inherently hurts town by giving scums the powers to counter it.

another way to do it is by a mechanic

can you make a sample role so i know what it might look like, i have a general idea of what you want but i'm unsure how to really give a good idea unless if i see how the powers are made/used

already one question: who wins a 1v1, SK or survivor?

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do the character have any impact on game or is it just for entertainment?

 

Elizabeth De l'Vida - Vida Corp's CEO and Scott's (another role) mother. She will do anything to see town win so her son survives this nightmare. She has unlimited resources with which to bribe another player out of their action for that night. She knows who her militia members (4 vanilla roles) are and will not waste bribes on them. ( ie she's a night role blocker)

This is how all the roles are set up. So they're named and it's known what they can do

 

...she knows the identity of 4 town players?

Day 1 claim and reveal. Town maybe lynches her to be safe, but they have 4 players cleared when she flips.

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Roleblocker isn't nearly as powerful as townfirming 4 people.

 

scratch the knowing part.