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Israel/Palestine Mega Thread

Discussion in 'Politics' started by mknote, Jun 21, 2013.

  1. Chengar Qordath

    Chengar Qordath The Final Pony Prestige

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    Please try to stop telling other people what they're saying, because the delusional nonsense you're spouting has absolutely no relation to what anyone other than you thinks.
     
  2. Invictus

    Invictus Totally Sirius

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    I quoted you multiple times. Not once you proved any of your claims and promptly stopped trying to say anything a few posts again and are just insulting me. Probably because you're a coward who can't own any of your points and instead runs away, refusing to stand by anything you say.

    No. Instead of an argument we get this jewel:
    Apparently Chengar is too superior to argue with me lowlife. Or to prove anything he says. Or really do anything but snipe at me and ignoring everything I say just to attack me personally.

    List of fallacies engaged by Chengar as of now:
    • Ad Hominem (the crazy anti Semite label)
    • Appeal to the stone (claiming that everything I say is insane rant but not proving anything)
    • Argument from repetition (repeatedly saying that Israel situation exempts it from following the UN Charts for Human Rights without proving why. First it was because of the way Palestinians and Israeli related, but when it was pointed out that it could apply to the Japanese American and Catholic Irish it was because the first didn't commit enough crimes (and when pointed out that you could use blacks for that silence was met) and the latter didn't happen to have foreign powers invading the UK (meanwhile the fact that it's been 40 years since ant such thing happened and that Israel now had cordial relations with half the countries that invaded it also doesn't matter).
    • Onus probandi - I have to prove everything I say. But he doesn't have to prove anything. And yet despite extensive proves from me and sources, Chengar still hasn't proved ONE single thing he said.
    • Pooh pooh - the quoted phrase encapsulates that well I feel.
    • Proof by assertion - Apparently whatever Chengar says is the truth and me not recognizing that is wrong just out of principle.
    And the lovely claim that somehow that the principle of the universality of the law doesn't apply to 1-terrorists and 2-Israel because they're special cases.
     
  3. Darth_Revan

    Darth_Revan Secret Squirrel Prestige DLP Supporter

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    Given that Palestinians aren't Israeli, and that Hamas is the ruling party in Gaza, one could argue that what happens is armed conflict between two nation-states, in which case, the law of war applies.

    But that would be to continue down your legalistic babble rabbit hole, when all any of us are trying to say is that the situation is unique, Israel is right to be paranoid, Palestine is right to be distrustful, and really, no one cares enough to go on and on about it. We're all exhausted and bored with your nonsense.
     
  4. Invictus

    Invictus Totally Sirius

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    Taken in account Hamas isn't a recognized legit party and is classified as a terrorist organization by a big part of the world, the Geneva Convention for war combatants doesn't apply to them. Israel is right in treating them as terrorist and not PoWs. Meanwhile, Palestinians do not have Israeli citizenship, proper representatives in any of the Israeli branches of governments or any benefits of citizenship really, so treating their actions as treason would be a legal aberration of the worst kind. As far as I'm aware, Israel just treats them as criminals which is fair enough, even if they have a tendency to move things to military courts when it involves soldiers in any kind whatsoever. (Normally military courts are only in extreme national security cases or when the accused is a member of the military). The recent case of Tahed Amin (?) Illustrates that.

    However, Military Courts aren't per se what the French call tribunaux d'exception where many usual rights of the defendant are suppressed. Guantanamo Military Commissions are an example of that. So really, while a distortion I don't feel what they do is illegal or anything. Just... Assholish. But this is one of the things that I feel Israel is justified in using more extreme measures thanks to it's situation. It still protects basic rights, it just plays fast and loose with some guarantees people take for granted.

    I only quoted the Charter of Human Rights and then mentioned one legal term. If the HR Chart is a legal babble for you, suit yourself. Shockingly, when you talk about rules of engagement, trial and human dignity/rights you have to quote some laws to be in solid ground.
     
  5. Invictus

    Invictus Totally Sirius

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    It passed.
    https://bbc.in/2L3Ewml

    Now what, this is just comestic change and doesn't matter?
     
  6. Methos

    Methos Seventh Year

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    The law change nothing.
    Arabic language was always second to Hebrew in Israel, the law also recognize its special place.
    The exact perks Arabic will have are probably the same ones it enjoyed until today in Israel.
    Regarding settlements:
    In the law it refers in general tone, to all Settlements in Israel, you can compare it to:
    Israel will encourage producing gamybears it bear the same meaning and just populist stating of a goal, that with or without the law can be done anyway.

    Regarding the national self determination as far as I understood it from the Hebrew part.
    No other state can be found inside Israel.
    If bunch of French people decided to found France II, the law forbid it.
    You can have your self determination, just not national one.


    Moral lectures in Academic, there is a real core issue, but the method the government chose to handle it is poor.
    Basicly, bunch of lecturers push their political agenda into their class, and woe to any student that will oppose to it, or suggest different point of view, it can also come up with the lecturer instead of teaching, wasting time with irrelevant political shit.
    Same lecturers who are get paid by the Israeli tax payer also encourage and actively support BDS, or just boycotting their own universities.
    This type of shit annoys most of the students, which gave birth to the moral code, a poor method to handle it.

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    In addition, most of our political players believe we will face in the next 12 months an election.
    Cue in stupid laws, that are in nature populist and damn the country in the process.

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    About Academic freedom in Israel:
    Certain universities funded by the Israeli tax payer believe they aren't accountable to anyone, they don't need to disclose on what they spend the money they are given.
    Because: "Academic Freedom" cue in mismanagement of funds, corruption, very generous salaries, benefits and bankruptcy.
    When the last part happen, to whom they cry to come and save them.
    The Israeli tax payer, but when it comes to sharing on what and how they spend money they cry Academic Freedom, we are being oppressed and other bunch of rhetoric crap.
     
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