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News (that doesn't deserve its own thread)

Discussion in 'Real Life Discussion' started by Taure, Aug 27, 2014.

  1. ThePinkTomato

    ThePinkTomato Prestigious Tomato ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    I guess we'll just have to settle for being happy that some of us don't live in a country where we have to be grateful the place was shot up with a pistol instead of a semi automatic rifle.
     
  2. Zombie

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    Lets ease back on that. I don't need flagrant stupidity erupting because people can't take a joke. I'd say the gun talk has had enough of a run in this thread.
     
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    A slow and steady drop and then a sudden comeback because of anti vaxxers?
     
  5. Innomine

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    Only in the developed world. We’re the ones the luxury to be anti vaxx. :p
     
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    Suspicion towards vaccination has existed for a long time in South Asia, well before anti-vaxxers were a thing in the West.
    Pakistani anti-vaxxers are a much bigger problem. They were, and continue to be, one of the major roadblocks in the way of polio eradication.
     
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    Stop ruining my pithy one liners with your logic!

    (You are definitely correct here, big problem in Africa as well. Our medicine is viewed with great suspicion over there.)
     
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    In fairness, that's kinda like if the US handed out a bunch of blankets to the natives again. They have some very good reasons to be skeptical.
     
  9. Longsword

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    Vaccination has been the prime reason why Africa has seen higher life expectancy.
    African suspicion of vaccination has gone down over time. So before anybody jumps on the unethical testing bandwagon, remember that it has not caused that suspicion.
    It used to be much higher even when well-understood, safe vaccines were introduced.
    Plus the unethical testing thing has been vastly overblown.
     
  10. Agayek

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    Sure, but I wasn't actually talking about vaccines specifically. More just that Africans got shit on, a lot, by Europe and the West in general. There's a lot of history there, little of it good, that engendered a great deal of mistrust, and it's hard to shake major cultural attitudes like that. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.
     
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    The big one is more that we organized a fake vaccine drive in Pakistan to get Bin Laden. That has for obvious reasons destroyed what little legitimacy we've had.
     
  12. Oment

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    TIL. Not on the same tier as the Castro assassination attempts, but still pretty out there.
     
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    Real vaccines. Just fake motive.
     
  14. Shouldabeenadog

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    so, reasons beyond what was stated above:
    1. polio needs multiple vaccinations. Just like its hard to do anything multiple times, each subsquent vaccination requires more resources and effort to get every child. OPV requires 4 vaccines minimum, and in hot tropical conditions up to 10.
    2. OPV (the polio vaccine in use in afganistan and pakistan, more on this in a minute) must be shipped frozen in dry ice and kept frozen up to 30 days before use. If temperature rises above 8 C, it cannot be refrozen. Needless to say, when electricity is not 100% reliable, there is a lot of wasted vaccine.
    3. OPV has a benefit/drawback of being a live vaccine. On the one hand this is great. We give kid A the vaccine, and it multiplies in his gut in the weakened form before the body kills it. During that time child A poops near water, that water then becomes a vector of the weakened virus, and kid B,C,D and Village G all get a dose of OPV without the difficulty of actually going there and immunizing them.
    HOWEVER, this means that around 2-4 per million children can result in vaccine derived polio, which is where the polio virus actually mutates and becomes hard to kill again, and can result in an outbreak of polio, with the paralysis and all. Frustratingly, we are now approaching the point where we have to give about 1 million doses to try to really stop polio in these countries, so we are closing in on that break even point. This is quite nuanced and complex immunology, and the average person is not going to understand it, save that sometimes the vaccine causes polio; therefore vaccine=bad.
    3b. Side note- in places where we aren't trying to immunize everyone literally downstream becuase there is good sanitation and strong vaccination adherence, we use IPV, which is inactivated (dead) polio, which does not cause the vaccine-derived polio.
    4. despite overwhelming religious support for vaccinations across the Islamic world at the highest levels of multiple sunni and shia institutions, individual clerics and other local religious figures must give their individual seal of approval before most communities will embrace vaccination. And if the cleric is replaced by another, it must start again. This burns lots of time and energy that delays vaccination, which means more kids get sick and spread the disease more. To head off the religious discussion, this has to be done for all religious groups, whether its Jewish (Brooklyn) or Protestant (Amish) or ) or Islamic (Pakistan) or Hindu (India) or Orthodox (Ukraine) etc.
     
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    Fascinating shit, ty.
     
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    Recently Kotaku put out a piece about how to contact their corporate owners about taking down annoying ads. The owners shut that shit down and the piece was taken off the site. Kotaku and Deadspin in particular (Deadspin used to be a sports news site, in the same way Kotaku used to be about gaming, both are now megaphones for social justice) seem to have been in open conflict with their corporate owners who apparently want them to quit activism and stick to their supposed fields of reporting.

    Now there's been a bunch of tweets reminiscent of the event when some Vox "journalists" got fired earlier this year.

    Oh, could this be? Are mass lay-offs incoming? Does this possibly spell the death of Kotaku? I'm probably being too optimistic, but I'll be happy if just Jason Schreier gets canned.
     
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    After seeing a coffin be lowered into the ground, funeralgoers in Germany found themselves unexpectedly high.

    The name of the town is also a case of cross-language nomen est omen: wiet being Dutch for, well, weed.
     
  18. Oment

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    Today in rules lawyering.

     
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    Interesting. Was he actually ruled dead? lol
     
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    Usually when they say 'life in prison' what they mean is 150 years in prison; that's the maximum sentence. For rules lawyering, that's not even that clever. Even if you die and get tossed in a cemetery, then come back to life, you still have to go back behind bars.
     
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