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Peace Talks Release Date

Discussion in 'Books and Anime Discussion' started by LittleChicago, Dec 16, 2019.

  1. LittleChicago

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    Damnit Jim. February not good enough?
     
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    God...I hadn't realised it was 2014 was the last one. Bets on whether that means fans are super eager, or whether the book fails to take off?
     
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    I hadn't realised that the series had been running that long...as frustrating as the delay between books might have been recently, 23 books released in 20 years is a pretty impressive achievement, IMO (counting Codex Alera, that steampunk one I can't remember the name of).
     
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    Aww yeah. It's a damn long time away, but that's closer than "Possibly never" so I'm officially stoked. Now let's see the fanfiction start to pop up once more! :D
     
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    I suspect that most will be eager, but I won't be surprised if this is going to be the most criticised book in the series, no matter how good it is. It's just the expectations after that long wait will be really high compared to the previous ones.
     
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    I know that for both my dad and I, having this long a wait has been a bit offputting, especially with the previously high release rate. For several of the more recent releases, we'd each pre-order a copy, or he'd get the book during the day, and I'd get it at night.

    We're still planning on buying a copy... At some point. But I'd probably want to re-read some of the more recent ones, and that's a bigger time commitment now I'm actually working.
     
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    This is why @Zeelthor needs to write an "Up to now" summary so we all don't have to read the entire series again.
     
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    Are you sure you don't mean @LittleChicago?
     
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    No, he'll just make us wait six years until he posts it.
     
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    Challenge accepted.

    Storm Front.

    So... Our story begins in Chicago sometime in the late nineties, I think, though the tone and female characters suggests we're reading a 1950's story about a private detective (which, to be fair, may be the point). Harry Dresden is in his mid-twenties and his tragic backstory includes both parents croaking before he hit puberty, his first magic teacher being an evil dick, his adopted sister and also first girlfriend (which is kinda weird and why Molly/Dresden is the OTP, but I'm getting ahead of myself) possibly betraying him, then probably dying, before the sudden appearance of the White Council of wizards who give Harry a suspended death sentence, and gives him off to another wizard named McCoy. (Scotty was on vacation.)

    Back to Chicago. Dresden is hired by a woman to find her husband who has gone missing. At the same time, an escort and an enforcer get their hearts exploded mid-coitus. Insert pun about explosive sex here - I'm pretty sure the book already does. Harry's "friend" at the police, Karrin Murphy, wants him to investigate what went on, since people's hearts generally don't explode. (This was before Monster energy drink was invented.) On the way from the crime scene, Dresden meets up with Marcone, who tells him to not investigate it. It's a tense conversation and the slashfic writers are sharpening their pencils.

    The escort works for a vampire madame called Bianca and Dresden meets with her and makes her cry. What a lad. He also makes her go into a bloodfrenzy in which she kills her favourite human pet, but I'm sure that won't come back to bite him later.

    Dresden sets off to investigate the husband, since looking into Murphy's case would essentially mean making yourself a nuke and then trying to explain to the cops that you were only trying to figure out how it was done without actually setting the bomb off - scout's honour. He still does meet a wizard named Morgan, who is a warden, a wizarding cop. Morgan is a right cunt. I love the guy. He's sure Dresden killed the mob dude.

    There's some back and forth past this point, leading to the climax where Dresen fights a monster scorpion, gets arrested by Murphy, evades arrest, hits Morgan with a chair and goes off to kill the evil wizard who's been doing the heart-exploding because he also turns out to be the missing husband.

    Fool Moon.

    This book isn't very good, but there's werewolves in it, which is pretty cool. Murphy calls Dresden in again to look at a few people who have died around the full moon. Turns out others have died the previous month. The latest victim's are Marcone's people, which is bad. The FBI are now in town to investigate, and they're trigger-happy, which is worse.

    Dresden looks into a few local werewolves, because there's four different kinds in this book, and it leads to a threeway conflict between the FBI agents on a rampage against the criminal underworld, a businessman and demon-werewolf, and Marcone who wants to buy some of the dude's land.

    Murphy arrests Harry again - take a shot - and Dresden meets the Alphas, college-students and shapeshifters. The book ends with Murphy shooting some of the cops and Dresden kills the demonwolf.

    Oh, and Susan is around. She's in the first book, too, but I forgot and I can't be bothered to edit. Susan's okay, but doesn't affect the story a lot. She does give Harry a few coat, though.

    Grave Peril

    This is where the series begins to get pretty good, but isn't quite all the way there yet, and as such I don't really remember a lot of the intricate parts.

    Dresden and his pal Michael, who is the fist of God, are doing ghostbusting. They've been doing this a lot lately, because the ghosts of Chicago are going bonkers. Dresden is contacted by a young woman who says she's haunted by some big ghost. Dresden tries to help her. There's also worries the veil between the real world and the spirit world (The Nevernever) is thinning, which is bad.

    There's also a vampire masquerade ball coming up and the vampires are not happy with Dresden because of previous encounters and also because they're evil. There's also issues with Harry's faerie godmother being present and wanting him to pay up on that deal they struck 10 years or so ago.

    Even with Thomas the sex vampire present, the party goes to shit when Susan sneaks in. Since she's not invited properly, she isn't protected by rules of hospitality. The vampires take Susan. So Harry burns the entire place to the ground and kills most of them. A measured and reasonable response, honestly. Unfortunately, some of the vampires get away and Susan is still with them. So Harry and Michael set off to save her, dodge Harry's faerie
    godmother once more, and then Harry ends up trapped in their basement. Woops.

    The vampires want Susan, who they've now infected with their thirst, to eat him and become one of them. Thereby giving them some plausible deniability. This backfires because she doesn't, and Harry gets out, and kills the shit out of Bianca.

    Susan survives and doesn't become a vampire - not fully, anyways. She ditches Harry and heads off to South America. Harry killing a vampire noble starts a war between wizard and vampires. Susan gets a bad rap in this book, but honestly, I don't mind her that much.

    Summer Knight

    This is where the series gets good. Is it because quality writing? I mean, partially. Mostly, it's because of Mab. What do you need to know about Mab? She's awesome. That is all. There's a story, too, but it's not as important as Mab.

    The book starts with Harry in a shitty situation after Susan left, trying to obsessively fix her vampire-ness. To make things more fun, the White Council coming to town to discuss Dresden starting that war in the previous book. They've just recently been Pearl Harbored by the vampires and are going to decide if Harry dies to make the vampires stop being dicks, or if he lives. To decide, he's given a task to fix. If he fixes it, he lives. If not, well...

    The task is the one given him earlier by the Queen of the Winter Fae, Mab. He's to solve the murder of the hitman of her opposite end, The Summer Queen, and exonorate her. This takes Harry all over Chicago and into the Nevernever, interacting with the other Fae. He also meets his old adopted sister/ex girlfriend (Iiiiiiiick) who it turns out isn't dead, but has been hanging out with the Summer Fae for a while, and is now working against him on the case.

    In the end, it turns out the younger Queen of Summer (There's three. Of each court) decided to embrace the mantra of most game developers and fuck the balance. In this case, of the world, because she was tired of the conflict between Winter and Summer. Dresden is offered to take the mantle of the winter knight (because the other guy turned out to be colluding with the Summer Fae), but he turns her down.


    Okay. @LittleChicago I'm tagging you in here. Save me. I was going to write a short succinct summary of each and it span out of control. SEND HELP!
     
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    Holt shit you mad beautiful bastard.
     
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    Note #1: Third book is called Grave Peril. Description is otherwise on point.
    Note #2: I gotchu

    Book 5 is Death Masks

    This is where the engine really starts running.

    After accidentally ruining a TV show loosely based on Jerry Springer, Harry gets hired to find the Shroud of Turin, which has been stolen. At pretty much the same time, a smooth latino Red Court vampire dude challenges Harry to a duel to settle the war Harry may or may not have started over Susan. Within a few moments, he is attacked a ridiculous monster with two sets of eyes.

    Enter the Denarians, probably the best villains in the series, consisting of Fallen Angels possessing human hosts.

    Harry gets saved by Michael and his bestest buddies, Shiro and Sanya, who also have SuperSwords and ask him to leave shit be, but Harry being Harry is all like, "Nah," and carries on. Murph, his favourite cop (who he's totally not in love with) asks him to look into another weird dead body because that's his jam (and he's big on paying his rent). Murph introduces him to a dude named Butters, who is a medical examiner and notices when weird shit happens, and doesn't like sweeping it under the rug. Good for him, I'm sure that habit will lead to a rewarding career.

    Harry finds the shroud, but Deirdre, who we will come to know and lovehate, shows up and has a bad hair day all over the place, killing and making a mess. Anna, the only one of the three professional thieves involved to live through the kerfuffle, makes a break for it. We'll probably never see her again.

    Susan shows back up, only now she's SuperSusan due to her half-vamp infection. She tries to help Harry find the shroud again, but there's another fight involving flying appliances and Harry and the shroud both get tooken. (Sorry, that should be taked.) Harry finally gets to meet Nicodemus, a BMF who runs the Denarians and the coin-collecting club. Nic offers Harry a chance to sign up, but Harry being Harry is all like, "Nah," and Nic goes to kill him, but Shiro pulls a superhero landing and takes his place, handing Harry the SuperSword he had telling him to run. The Sword will also likely never be important again. Susan assists in Harry's escape, and he figures out the dude who hired him to find the Shroud is also a Denarian, having killed Murph's DB.

    Using some not-by-the-book methods, Harry gets some info out of faker boy. I'm sure this, too, will not return to bite Harry in his ass.

    Dresden shows up to his duel, which is overseen by a little girl more powerful than damn near anyone, who goes by Archive (soon to be Ivy thanks to a certain unnamed wizard's habit of nicknaming the shit out of everyone - yet another harmless habit, certainly) and wins because smooth vampire dude breaks the rules. Susan's new bud Martin - also totally a one-off guy - kills vampey boy and splits. Harry and Michael and Sanya chase down the Denarians at the airport, but find Shiro doing his best Rocky 4 impersonation, and points them at a train. One train-roof fight later, they get the shroud back and Nic escapes.

    Harry shortly finds out Shiro had cancer, so he shouldn't feel too bad about the whole dying-in-his-place thing, and asks him to take care of his SuperSword, and Harry being Harry is all like, "Yeah." Harry's wizard guardian McCoy wipes out smooth vampire's whole home and bestest buddies, by dropping an old satellite on them, and Harry finds out Marcone was the one who arranged for the shroud to be stolen in the first place, to heal a little girl about whom we know nothing and likely never will. She's probably not important.

    And on the last few pages, Nic makes a final appearance, tossing one of his SuperCoins at Michael's house. Michael's son goes to grab it, but Harry does first. And that is also likely not important.

    @Anarchy Ask, and ye shall receive.

    Blood Rites

    Beginning with the most iconic opening line of the series - "The building was on fire, and it wasn't my fault." - we just right in on Harry's rescue of a litter of puppies. A monk hired him to do it. Nice guy. We never see him again. Anyway, Harry's buddy Thomas - the Whampire we met in Grave Peril, who turns out to not be a *total* dick, gave Harry a ride tonight. He regrets it instantly, as the things guarding the puppies are demon monkeys who throw flaming shit at people. Anyway, Harry gives the dogs to the monk, but discovers one of the pups - a runt who growls at the shit monkeys - slipped out of the box and hid in Harry's car. With the monk long gone, Harry just adopted a dog. This will likely be a terrible, onerous thing. I mean, it does warn him when a Black Court vamp tries to kill Harry, but otherwise, a totally bad omen.

    Anyway, Thomas gave him a ride - and bought him dinner - to butter him up before asking a favour. He wants Harry to investigate a few strange deaths surrounding a porn director. Cool. He also wants to get the blampies before they breed like hell's own rabbits, so he calls up McCoy the satellite dropper and Kincaid, Ivy's bodyguard and totally not her surrogate father.

    Harry sets up a few magical defences on the porn site (heehee), but someone fucks with them (sorry, bad phrasing) and further bad pornomojo happens. However, a new actress shows up on set to cover for the injured - her name is Lara, and I'm not even going to joke about it; she's gonna be the greatest frenemy Harry ever has. After she decides not to kill him, that is. After a weird ambush by more blampires that involves a frozen turkey, our intrepid hero bravely runs away with Lara and Thomas back to their family manor - yeah, turns out they're related (half bro and sis) and Thomas, who took the bad end of the beat sticks (and Lara's aim) in the melee, needs healing. That means he needs fuckenergy, so he's gonna be busy for the rest of the night.

    His other sister, inari, was also in the fight, and also got hurt. While Lara invites Harry in, and offers him her protection, it turns out her dad is also home, and he makes no such offer. He sends Inari to Harry that night to both kill him and give her in-born demon a jump start. This fails pretty spectacularly, because Harry is still in love with SuperSusan, and love is shield against fuckfeeding.

    Thomas drops by, now rife with fuckenergy, and shows Harry some paintings and explains that - surprise! - he's also Harry's half-bro. Harry being Harry is all like, "Nah," so they soulgaze and Harry gets to hear his mother's voice for the first and only time. It's a weepy moment, but now he trusts Thomas.

    Next day, Harry finds out the director is getting married this very week. One of the porno actresses pulls a gun on Harry and fucks with his defences again, explaining that she and the other ex wives are killing every woman in the director's life to keep whoever it is from inheriting his shit when he dies - he's had 3 other wives, all of whom had prenups. She kills another actress and frames Harry. Harry escapes and goes after the blampires with Murph, McCoy and Kincaid. Turns out, they answer to Mavra, who we met at THE PARTY in Grave Peril. McCoy and Kincaid turn out to have a history, and they hate each other. And want to kill each other. Probably won't be a problem.

    Anyway, they wipe out the blampires, and rescue a bunch of kidnapped kids, but Harry burns the ever loving shit out of his left hand. Kincaid takes off, leaving behind a large invoice and a word - "Blackstaff". McCoy, feeling guilty over Harry's girlfriend being set on fire, McCoy admits to being the Blackstaff - the White Council's black ops hitman who is allowed to break the Laws Of Magic - a living Necessary Evil. Oh, and Harry's mom was his apprentice. Oh, and Lara and Thomas' dad killed her. Oh, and Lord Raith is basically magic immune.

    Harry kicks McCoy out and goes in search of Thomas - Lara tells him Thomas has been taken by the Porno Ex Wives Club, who are cooperating with her father. Crazy how that all comes together. Anyway, turns out they're going to kill Thomas to power a curse to kill Harry, because Big Daddy Raith is unable to fuckfeed - Harry's mom's deathcurse locked him down, so he's been low on fuckenergy for years. Harry interrupts the curse, but the ritual involves summoning He Who Walks Behind - an Ur-Demon of ridiculous power. It kills the Ex Wives Club cause Walkers ain't nobody's bitch, and Lara mentally breaks her dad. Then to avoid any sign of weakness, banishes her brother who everyone sees as a sissy. He moves in with Harry, pays Kincaid's bill, and basically bros it up.
     
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    Good thing you kept hold of those notes.
     
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    can you do that for the next book as well so i dont actually have to read it?
     
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    I’m planning to relisten to these... but If I do t get around to it this will do. Maybe I’ll start with book 4. First three aren’t too memorable.
     
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    Alright. I can't sleep, so the write-up continues, in all probability making even less sense this time around.

    Blood Rites

    The building was on fire, and it may at least partially be Dresden's fault.

    This book has two different plots going on. One features the arrival of a the Black Court vampire Mavra, who tries to kill Dresden. To deal with this, Dresden calls up assassin supreme, Kincaid. Murphy wants to bang the guy. Dresden has some wicked sexual tension going, too. Must be the cheekbones. The vampires end up dead-er, Harry's hand is half-melted by a flamethrower, and the day is saved.

    Meanwhile, Harry also gets asked to check in on the set of a porno by sex-vampire Thomas Raith. Turns out there's a cult of pornstar sorceresses wreaking havoc with a curse. Dresden vows to stop them - and he'll get to it in a moment, trust me - he just can't stand up just this second. Lara Raith is introduced here and she is tied with Kincaid as the best thing about this book (and all books she features in). Turns out there's a struggle in the White Court for power. Daddy Raith has been controlling his daughters via his hunger demon (which is to say, mindrape and actual rape, which kinda needs to be stated even when it goes against the tone I've been trying to set with this post).

    Daddy Raith wants Harry dead and he wants Thomas dead, because - plot twist - they're brothers. That's right, slashficers, they're brothers. You can stop writing now. I SAID STOP!

    Daddy Raith killed Harry's and Thomas' mom when she broke free from his will and with her deathcurse, she made him unable to feed. TO break the curse, he needs Thomas and Harry to die. Lara decides, fuck that noise, and feeds him to her hunger demon, effectively making him her puppet.

    Dead Beat

    Mavra reappears and blackmails Dresden to find the Word of Kemmler. What's that, you may ask? Pretty sure she refrains from telling him that. The bitch. Either way, Halloween is around the corner and necromancy is afoot. On his hunt for The Word, Dresden runs into a bunch of necromancers, each their own shade of crazy. Turns out Kemmler is essentially Voldemort, only way cooler what with having had a nose, and his old apprentices are out looking for his bible of necromancy which is said to contain a ritual called a Darkhallow, which would turn someone into a God.

    Badly outclassed, Dresden ends up summoning The Wardens, who come and tell him they've just had their asses handed to them by the Red Court, so he's now also a warden. They suit up and head off to kick Necromancer ass. Dresden goes sidequesting a little, runs into an old Denarian who guts him just a little before Mouse rips him throat out. As is canon, Mouse is a good boy.

    Dresden does the most badass thing anyone has ever done, or ever will, and reainimates the skeleton of Sue the T-rex, rides that into battle, and proceeds to win the day. Luccio, the captain of the wardens, gets bodyswitched into a younger body, Morgan is still a surly wanker. He gives Marvra the book (which we still don't know what she plans to do with, though I should totally use that for a fic) and tells her to gtfo.
     
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    For me at least it isn't the wait that has truly taken a toll on my enthusiasm for the series, though it didn't help, but more the fact that I found pretty much all books after Changes lacking to a significant degree.

    I think I complained about it before but I don't like a lot of the trends/decisions that Butcher made in the last three or so books and I don't think I have re-read the series since the last one came out, which is saying something because I once religiously re-read the series every few months.

    Didn't help that the side-stories became more prominent and the less said about the Aeronaut the better because the only thing that book really did for me was serve as a perfect illustration of all the things I started to dislike, perhaps even hate, about Butchers writing. I normally don't abandon a series, especially not this far into it, but if this is the quality I can expect it will be real chore to finish the series...
     
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    My hope is that the quality of his writing was synonymous with the quality of his life.
    Being optimistic, perhaps both will have improved this time around.
     
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    It's fairly obvious that things with his wife were in the gutter when Murphy got shanked.

    This is why it's been building towards Molly. Molly is the new young wife. I'm almost certain a big part of the delay was Jim figuring out how best to deal with this shift in Dresden's perspective.

    There'll be at least one monologue where he internalises a debate and says that as a mortal, he and Karrin had a shelf life and Molly isn't a young girl any more.

    More likely, he'll be refusing to think like that but Thomas will be the sounding board for that idea so the pure protag isn't tainted by risky exposition.

    Iunno, that's how I'd do it if I was writing a two decade long self insert.
     
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