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The Trumperium 2: Caesar by the Pussy

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Jon, Jun 15, 2017.

  1. Chengar Qordath

    Chengar Qordath The Final Pony Prestige

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    Yeah, executive orders have become (IMO) the biggest constitutional/structural problem in the US government. Not to sound alarmist, but it's made the US start sliding towards an elected dictatorship as executive orders take over more and more things that used to be part of other branches of government. Sure, getting things through Congress is a pain, but the solution of using executive orders to bypass the need for new laws, treaty approvals, etc is not a solution.

    On top of the whole "elected dictator" thing, the other problem is that executive orders are way less stable than laws. Repealing a law is an entire process that requires votes in Congress and such, while invalidating an executive order just takes the stroke of a pen. Trump hasn't been shy about throwing out Obama's executive orders, and you can bet that whoever takes over after him throw out plenty of his. The prospect of having a large portion of how the government runs and enforces laws change every election is not a pleasant one.
     
  2. point09micron

    point09micron Fifth Year

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    This, exactly, was my point. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
     
  3. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    538's piece about Ohio-12 is interesting. Here are two ways to get the district to split 50/50:

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    On the left Obama's coalition, on the right the suburb one. The race is dead even right now, and fits the right side to a t. So it remains the way it was -- midwest rural voters think Trump is Jesus (or don't vote, re: enthusiasm gap), and the wave-like results (Ohio-12 is R+14) come from the suburbs.


    Edit: In other news, your commerce secretary appears to be a literal thief (to the tune of $120 million and a handful of Sweet’N Low sweetener packages). If it wasn't so sad, it'd be all kinds of funny.

    Edit2: And it just doesn't get better. Have some insider trading:

    Some daysmonthsyears you just shouldn't get out of bed.
     
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  4. Perspicacity

    Perspicacity High Score: 3,994 Prestige DLP Supporter

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    It's noteworthy is that Collins is still going to run for office despite being arrested for insider trading performed on the White House lawn. What's depressing is that it won't matter to his GOP base. Better to elect a (to-be) felon than a Democrat.

    It's hard to believe it's only been a year since Charlottesville.
     
  5. Johnnyseattle

    Johnnyseattle Unspeakable DLP Supporter

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    Or a pedophile. Or a neo-nazi. Or a serial abuser.

    "Party of Morality."
     
  6. Chengar Qordath

    Chengar Qordath The Final Pony Prestige

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    In the lukewarm half-hearted defense of such voters, they usually assume that the charges are just a smear campaign by the opposition (aka Fake News) rather than accepting them as true and still voting for the guy.
     
  7. Arthellion

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    Yeah...the majority of republican voters I know view CNN and such as pure lies and don't believe what's said from them.
     
  8. KHAAAAAAAN!!

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    That disgusted feeling you get when a tiny voice in the back of your brain tells you it would be cool to join Space Force despite how ridiculous the premise is when the International Space Station can only support like... 8 people.
     
  9. Arthellion

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    As I said earlier, Space Force (while it sounds insane) is actually one of those ideas I fully support. I get there is the issue of redundancy in many regards and that the air force already does a lot of what Trump is proposing, but the propaganda/funds is important.

    All it takes is one tiny asteroid going off course and humanity is gone. We should be investing heavily in space exploration and develepment.
     
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    Unlike the Dems who expelled Menendez and will refuse to vote for him. The only reason he didn't get convicted was beacause SCOTUS narrowed the definition of corruption to basically 'only be an utmost retard'. Better to keep and reelect an obviously corrupt man than lose a single seat to evil, white supremacist GOP.
    Who ran under a heavily moralizing flag was Hillary, specially since it focused soooooo much on Trump's personal moral feelings. Clinton, those champions of morals.

    It always baffles me that despite how Democrats rally against religion, specially religion in politics and it's moralities, they are always shocked and outraged when its Christian adversaries don't act like good Christians, or at least their vision of a good Christian is. 'Oh my God, Trump cheated on his wife! How can a Christian vote for him?' Mysteries of mysteries.
     
  11. Agayek

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    The Space Force, as a standalone concept, is a fantastic idea. It's essentially NASA, but in military terms, which means it's got a halfway decent chance to see some kind of meaningful funding from the US government. There is zero problem with it, and really, it's fantastic from a PR perspective, to drum up both money and interest in space.

    The only problem is, like with most things in the US government these days, the federal government is run by a shaved orangutan in a poorly-fitted suit, and any attempt to establish the Space Force will be done so hilariously ineptly that it will end up costing the tax payers billions of dollars, only to need to be torn down and built again in five years.

    That's not a slight against the Space Force though, just a problem with Trump.
     
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    Even a broken clock and so on, re: Space Force. That being said, I'm amused by the various not-very-flattering logos that are making the rounds on Twitter.

    Did you know that Trump's approval rating is better than Obama's at this point in the presidency, by the way? His stats are just way better at this point in their respective terms. More approval, less unemployment, more jobs added; Trump is just killing it. Spoilering the picture.

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    Other relevant links. I'm far too amused by the incredibly shoddy editing job on the approval rate - I'm fairly sure there are pre-teens who can do a better job.

    Oh, and because someone is going to fall over that paragraph: /s for the last unspoilered bit of my post.
     
  13. BitMyFinger

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    Because militarizing space is such a fantastic idea. War and death are cool as long as its in space, amirite?

    Why would it be okay to throw more money to the military where it isn't needed if it was your candidate of choice?
     
  14. Arthellion

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    Gonna be honest...Space is going to be militarized whether we do it or not. Might as well be the ones to do it rather than China or Russia.
     
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    @Arthellion turn the other cheek then you fucking dork. We are the evil empire trying to get lasers in space, my man. What about a fucking peace summit agreeing that the final frontier should be used for growing crazy good marijuana instead?
     
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    How fucking naive are you? Have you ever studied history? Everyone will follow that peace summit until its possible to blow the smitherines out of the other guys. You can bet if Russia had the ability to nuke us right now without repercussions, they would.

    Humans are always trying to kill each other. That's not even considering what would happen if there are legit Aliens out there.
     
  17. Agayek

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    Yeah, pretty much. I want me my Flash Gordon ray guns damnit.

    Though more seriously, war is shit, but what's worse than war is a war you're not prepared for. The technology for spaceborne travel and occupation (and therefore warfare) is getting there, whether we'd like to admit it or not, and that means it's going to happen eventually. Preparing for that eventuality is in no way a bad thing.

    I'm... rather confused by this bit here. It reads like you're implying support for the Space Force thing is tied to support of Trump, and I'd like to think I've already made my opinion on that pretty clear.

    It's got nothing to do with Trump. In fact, Trump being involved is the one negative to the whole affair. So I'm really rather confused. Some clarification would be nice.
     
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    You're shocked that people point out hypocrisy?
     
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    I don't support corruption and, like many of us Dems, wouldn't care a whit if Menendez were properly ousted from office. This is a qualitative difference between the Dems and the GOP, who, with virtually no exceptions, eagerly lap up whatever fecal matter their tribal leader Trump would toss onto them. They might clutch their pearls for a brief moment, give a sound-bite or two on the evening talk shows, but then they'll happily jump in bed with the guy and spread their ass cheeks to get a SCOTUS nomination or tax cut.

    The Dems expelled Franken, who would have been a viable 2020 candidate. Conyers, a long time pillar of the party, was toast when his abuses became public. Until the GOP does something similar with one of their own, I'll kindly file your comment in the "What about Benghazi!" "But her emails!" "Child porn ring under a pizza parlor!" "Obama was a Muslim Kenyan fascist!" folder of stupid bullshit Republicans like to tell themselves to pretend they have ideas.
     
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  20. BitMyFinger

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    @Arthellion "We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29)

    Love to base my political opinions on Rule of Cool.

    'War is inevitable' is not a humanitarian, decent, or even defensible stance.

    The second part is in direct response to your "the only problem with the federal government is Trump." Which is an absolutely hilarious take by the way. You'd be cool with the space force in the hands of Clinton or some 'Respectable Republican' as if that isn't an oxymoron, right?
     
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