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The Trumperium 2: Caesar by the Pussy

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Jon, Jun 15, 2017.

  1. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    Either way, though, I don't think it will matter, even if it was an issue, which I'm not buying yet. You can't fudge an entire election, and Democrats don't need places like Kansas to win the House. As for the chances, I'm perfectly inclined to believe e.g. the 538 forecast. There are 12 universes, and in 2 of them, the House stays Republican.

    In other words, since we only experience a single universe, the House either stays Republican, or it doesn't. (That's the official Sesc forecast.)

    In more helpful thoughts: The EC is quite correlated. So after one state of a certain makeup voted for Trump, it meant similar states would as well etc., leading to his victory in the EC. House races, on the other hand, are more independent and diverse, and that makes it harder for any "Trump effect" to affect all of them at once. It doesn't help him any if safe Republican candidates win Bumblefuck, Nowhere with 95% instead of 82%. My feeling is this will be a more conventional election, more like we're used to.


    What I'd worry more about than fudging elections, actually, is the political equivalent of a meteor strike -- or, to be more precise, Trump engineering one if it doesn't look like there's a helpful meteor around, and he gets desperate even in his parallel universe. (To wit, Erdogan started a war.) If that happens, the only hope left is that it backfires.


    Edit: And as an aside, I'm dubious about Republicans running the best of all campaigns. I get that there is only so much you can do as the Party of Trump, but still, telling voters essentially to elect Republicans or there will be oversight, control, and investigations in Congress is ... uh. I'm not sure that argument works like you think it does, bros.
     
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  3. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    Not-News :s

    The only interesting part is that he has somewhat of a point (in a technical sense) that is entirely irrelevant (for the argument he's trying to make). Usually, he doesn't even clear the first hurdle. I'd call it an improvement, except I think it's an accident.

    The report in question did a statistical (macro-)analysis of deaths of all kinds in Puerto Rico over some time after the hurricane, and in accounting for all sorts of usual ways people die, the 3,000 is what's left. So, strictly speaking, they didn't die in the hurricane. But that makes it even worse, because as opposed to preventing a hurricane, it'd arguably have been possible to prevent this (power, access to hospitals, medicine etc.) It very much happened on Trump's watch. Presidents always get blamed for this kind of stuff. The end.
     
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    With "What is worse, wholesale election fraud or a wag-the-dog scenario?" we're debating whether it's better to get smashed in the face with a brick or getting a paper cut on one's eyeball.

    Certainly election hacking is a real concern, as Coats noted recently. Given that the leadership of the executive and legislative branches regard such matters as a "hoax," it's impossible to imagine any real resolution here, despite the lights "blinking red."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/us/politics/dan-coats-intelligence-russia-cyber-warning.html
     
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    Isn't it amusing that we all think Mad Dog Mattis is a really sane and grounded advocate for the establishment?

    Oh how far we've come.
     
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    I'd be pretty happy if he was Hillary's SecDef and was delighted when rumours were circling about that back in October 2016ish.
     
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    Man, I sure am glad that only 6-18 people in Peurto Rico died from that Hurricane.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/13/politics/trump-puerto-rico-death-toll/index.html

    Damn Democrats lying about the deaths of 3,000 people to make Trump look bad.
     
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    Reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. "What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."

    Maybe he meant only 6-18 people died in Peurto Rico, because he's been pretty clear that in his eyes Puerto Ricans aren't.
     
  11. Sesc

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    :rolleyes:

    8 posts up.
    Though I maintain it's accidental.
     
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    Whoops.
    Are you saying that the "in" legitimizing his claim was accidental?

    His statement afterwards about how the democrats are faking the numbers to make him look bad just makes me think he believes that it's all false. His reality is just seems very malleable.
     
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    I'm saying he tweets whatever is on his mind, and "whatever is on his mind" has no structure or order. The "in" makes it technically correct -- he came after the hurricane to toss brown people some paper towels, so the death number then was what it was -- but that kind of hair splitting requires at least a modicum of patience and sophistication, so not intentional.

    He very probably thinks that A) the 3,000 is inflated and B) it's about making him look bad, yeah. Simply because he starts at the second point as the premise -- everything is about him -- from which the first then follows naturally.
     
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    One of my closest friends and long-time collaborators had his father in law forcibly taken off life support in the aftermath of the hurricane, when the backup generators ran out of diesel and power to the hospital was cut. He died when he could have recovered. Another non-statistic. One of the 3000 uncounted.

    Said friend is a life-long Republican (as most Cuban emigrates old enough to remember Castro are). Not so much nowadays.
     
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    Florence is hitting mainland and states Trump carried. There will be the help that is needed in both the short and the long term. And yes, the implication about D states not getting as much help is very much intended. I think he can be that petty.

    Manafort and Mueller have reportedly reached a tentative plea deal.

     
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    Yep, and remember, these are the people that think their dear leader, who is firmly mounted on foreign cock, is the only thing holding them back from 'murica being thrust fully into the cold grasp of socialism/communism, which said rescue services are a shining example of the concept that they're totally willing to accept as long as it saves them from their own stupidity.
     
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    To be fair, the particular brand of arrogant stupidity required to ignore an evacuation order does not run along political lines.
     
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    Manafort seems to have flipped.

    As of this post, someone in his team has kept Trump off of Twitter since this came out.
     
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    I'm with you, I said this because I have a friend that lives smack dab in the middle of that county that laments how overrun that place is with compensation trucks in full "Murica" regalia - MAGA hats, moron labia/NRA stickers, "Hillary for prison" stickers, and all that.

    He bugged out to his brother's house in Philly 4 days ago, and guarantees he knows half the bumpkins that are having to be boated out right now.
     
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