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USA Elections 2016

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Banta, Apr 12, 2015.

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  1. Invictus

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    He is now, thanks to Trump, but before he was very much a backbencher.
     
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    Jeff Sessions? Um, no, he's pretty senior Republican Senator.
     
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    Interesting. 'High confidence', too, so ~80%+ in their view.

    Republican reactions have been similarly interesting in their willful denials, especially Trump's. His categorical distrust of anything that disrupts his view of the matter will be problematic, as it would tend to promote 'yes-man-ship' in the people around him.

    I wonder if, once he's President and is appointing the highest ranking intelligence officials, will they only give him what he wants to hear? If so, he's going to be ripe for manipulation by the more cunning world leaders, especially everybody's favorite bogeyman, Putin.
     
  5. Dark Belra

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    ... That's what I get for believing the Washington Post. I stand corrected.
     
  7. bob99

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    Yeah, I find that really frightening. The mishandling and politicizing of intelligence got us into the Iraq war. The thought of another president willing to completely ignore his intelligence reports and just do whatever he wants really scares me. I don't like the idea of getting into another misguided and mishandled war.

    ---------- Post automerged at 02:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:55 PM ----------

    The original source of that tweet is great :)
     
  8. Solfege

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    It's a little confusing before you remember that by this use of "working class", we are actually referring to a segment of the American "middle class." We're talking 50-120k annual salaries. It's an umbrella of people who, money aside, have always had elements of insecurity about their social standing in America.

    Then yeah, there's the marginal working class that liberals like to speak of, the <35k group who do benefit from policies like $15/hr min wage and paid sick leave. That's where you end up getting statements from the likes of MTV correspondent Ana Cox: "Most working-class people are people of color." Premature, this will be true when the country flips majority-minority in 2032 (but even then the definition of working class in this study are workers without a college degree, clearly not our usage).

    Again, trying to identify class via income is a messy affair. You pointed out that it was Trump's grandfather who made the original fortune; Trump himself grew up in an ostensibly upper-middle neighborhood. Well, Dr. Fussell (from his seminal and quite humorous work on class in '80s America) once said it takes three generations to produce a middle class person, and many more to reach the upper class, let alone the top-out-of-sight.

    Trump definitely has his middle class anxieties. It seems a younger, hungrier Donald once displayed an ethos that stood him out from all the other young real-estate heirs who worked with Roy Cohn. A testimony from one of Cohn's former employees from another forum:

    Fascinating, to hear of others' personal, human quirks. But hunger, as you know the Donald wears so well, is an unattractive class quality.




    Back to the current subject matter. Between Romney and Giuliani, Trump was definitely favoring Romney but broadened his search because the outcry from his base wasn't dying down anytime. As a result it looks like we'll have Rex Tillerson for SoS with Bolton as his #2. They've been asking around the Senate to see if they'll be confirmed. As the first hearing, it'll be an embarrassment if they don't go through. Bolton's experience and anti-Putin views are meant to balance out Tillerson's Russian ties.

    Trump is likely to nominate Romney's niece for RNC chair as consolation.
     
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  9. gorlosh

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    So what's Trumps strategy with appointing all these people? Get his before the public turns on him?
     
  10. Agayek

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    As best I can tell, the main thrust of Trump's appointments is throwing bones to the Republican establishment. The only one that hasn't been, to the best of my knowledge, is Mattis. Honestly, I think Trump's realized he himself is going to be a terrible President and is appointing his cabinet based on who he's being told would be best for the job, and by extension who the Republican leadership finds most agreeable.

    I could easily be wrong though, if anyone's got some deeper insight into it.
     
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    Since Trump's said he wants to "win NY" in 2020 (yeah, wishful thinking on his part), doubt it.
     
  12. gorlosh

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    Yeah, but he mostly says shit he doesn't mean.
     
  13. Solfege

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    FTFY.

    Nah, the fact that NY's turned against him so strongly hurts. He hasn't had much of a business presence here, most of his "power-broking" was in the '80s and early '90s, but I think he truly does want to win over NY and its institutions.

    He just doesn't have a clear view of how to get there (he doesn't plan, remember?).
     
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    It seams unlikely that the Establishment would want someone like Ben Carson filling a post. Or the CEOs of various companies that have nothing at all to do with governance.

    Or, to be honest, Mike Flynn, who I think must have had a psychotic break at some point, because he's gone mad.
     
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    Mike Flynn always disappoints me, because he was brilliant as Director of Intelligence for JSOC back in the 2000s. He and his team were the ones who ran down and killed Zarqawi, and the folks I know who worked for him during that time gave effusive praise. And these are Democrats too, or at the very least folks who mainly if not entirely vote Democratic.

    Sad to see how far he's fallen from then. Still, even if he does nothing good for the remainder of his life (as I fully expect), he'll have some respect from me for killing Zarqawi, if not for anything else.
     
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    I came across this analysis, and I was wondering what our resident minds might see in it.

    This as counterpoint to concerns that Tillerson's amorality and inexperience may lead him to poorly navigate the grey diplomatic areas. As one friend observes from a reading of Steve Coll's history of Exxon, "an odd combination of an engineer's mindset as well as a moral compass lifted from his time at the Boy Scouts that leaves him categorizing all things as good, bad, or (surprisingly frequently) not relevant for moral consideration."
     
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  17. Aurion

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    You haven't been paying much attention to Donald Trump, then.

    He desperately wants to be accepted by the high-society types. You don't even have to look that hard to see how much it gnaws at him.

    Personally, I find that to be a singularly unattractive personal trait; he's more of a fake than a three-dollar bill is.

    But there are lots of people out there who can empathize with that- after all, it's not that hard to shift the "elite" to the "liberal elite" in the minds of people he's appealing to. It happens all the time in right-wing political media, and the media shapes the way people think about things.
     
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  18. Oment

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    Meanwhile, Bolton (alleged second man on State) has hedged his bets regarding the DNC (and RNC, apparently?) hacking by saying that it could have been a false flag.

    At least Rand Paul is on the case. Sadly, when one of the Pauls is one of the few visible opponents, that's very much not a good sign for anyone advocating anything remotely left of centre...
     
  19. bob99

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    Apparently Newsweek is going to drop a big story on Trump's businesses tomorrow. That might be interesting.
     
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    I assume it's this story.

    The story lists a lot of Trump's conflicts of interest and one of note is that Erdogan has jailed a business associate of Trump and could very well be asking for the extradiction of a person from US soil in exchange for the freedom of the business associate.

     
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