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Philly Homer
03-13-2009, 11:54 PM
Kings is a show that I heard about a while ago. The show is based in an alternate world that is very much like the modern-day U.S., yet not like it at all. Gilboa (the name of the kingdom) is a monarchy with Silas Benjamin (Ian McShane) as the king. The aforementioned McShane is the only reason I really cared about this show in the first place, but as I did some more research on it the show sounded pretty interesting. It's definitely the most ambitious show to come along in a while. Here is how NBC's official site describes it.

http://www.nbc.com/Kings/#

From executive producer Michael Green (NBC’s "Heroes") comes a riveting new drama about a modern day monarchy. "Kings" is a contemporary re-telling of the timeless tale of David and Goliath. This series is an epic story of greed and power, war and romance, forbidden loves and secret alliances -- and a young hero who rises to power in a modern-day kingdom.

King Silas Benjamin (Ian McShane, "Deadwood") is the well-entrenched king of Gilboa, whose flag bears a divine butterfly symbol. Gilboa has its capital in Shiloh, a clean new city that is unspoiled by time or litter. Silas must deal with the tensions rising between Gilboa and neighboring nation Gath. When several prisoners of war are taken, a young soldier, David Shepherd (Chris Egan, "Eragon"), defies orders and crosses enemy lines to save them. Unknown to David, the soldier he saves is Jack Benjamin (Sebastian Stan, "The Covenant"), the son of the king. From that day forth, David’s life will never be the same.

Susanna Thompson ("Once & Again") plays Queen Rose Benjamin, a distant, yet supportive wife. Allison Miller ("Lucy’s Piano") stars as King Silas’ beautiful, intelligent and outspoken daughter, Michelle. General Linus Abner (Wes Studi, "Comanche Moon," "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee"), Reverend Ephram Samuels (Eamonn Walker, "Oz") and William Cross, Silas’ brother-in-law (Dylan Baker, "Spiderman 2"), try to influence King Silas.

From Universal Media Studios, "Kings" is executive-produced by Green, Erwin Stoff ("I Am Legend") and Francis Lawrence ("I Am Legend"), who also directed the pilot.The 2 hour pilot premieres this Sunday (March 15) at 8:00pm. IGN gave it an outstanding (9.0) in their review. Here is an excerpt from the review.

March 12, 2009 - Advance Review: Sleek, powerful and well written. You can't really ask for much more from your TV screen. Kings is one of those rare gems that instantly feels like it might be airing either "too late" or "too soon" for it to be appreciated. It feels, well, in short, "not of its time." I'm not speaking to the fact that it deals with an alter-reality, but to the fact that it really commits itself to telling a tumultuous story about war and death with an aura of poetic calm. It exists on its own terms and doesn't choose to fragment any of its revelations for the sake of making itself viewer-friendly. The double-sized pilot "Goliath" is intriguing and beautiful without feeling at all egregious or extraneous - as pilots tend to feel. The exposition is handled very gently, even though it involves the hefty task of introducing us to the fictional nation of Gilboa with a groundbreaking ceremony for their newly constructed capital city of Shiloh – complete with a "from the hip" speech to the masses from their beloved King Silas (Ian McShane).http://tv.ign.com/articles/961/961665p1.html

I'm more than willing to give this show a shot if only to see Ian McShane as a dictator, but I worry for it's future on an unstable network like NBC.

Zombie
03-13-2009, 11:57 PM
I've seen this advertised. As far as TV goes, this show has me interested.

McShane was pretty epic lulz in Deadwood.

Midknight
03-14-2009, 01:25 AM
I'm more than willing to give this show a shot if only to see Ian McShane as a dictator, but I worry for it's future on an unstable network like NBC.

NBC likes to start with good shows... then they yank all the funding, move the timeslot a hundred times, fire the best actors/actresses, and then do off the fucking wall ratings stunts during sweeps.

Oh, and then the cancel the show and blame the viewers for not supporting it.

They're STILL not as horrible as ABC though. I loved Boston Legal on ABC... until I could never find it. They'd pull it in the middle of the season, changed time slots a bajillion times, etc. It got so bad the characters talked about it in the show.

Anlun
03-14-2009, 02:06 AM
This looks like an interesting show but I always laugh at the king character

King "You saved my son, Ask me anything and it shall be yours. Even if you ask for half my kingdom I will grant it"

David- "I want half your Kingdom"

King ".... MOTHERFUCKER"

Invader.Azula
03-15-2009, 10:51 PM
This show is pretty epic so far. McShane is the best on-screen dictator that I've ever seen.

Philly Homer
03-15-2009, 11:12 PM
This show is pretty epic so far. McShane is the best on-screen dictator that I've ever seen.

Absolutely True

Kings is fucking awesome. I didn't move from my couch for two straight hours. Ian McShane puts any other dictator to shame with that riveting performance. Hell, the ending scene with McShane's closeup was all kinds of epic.

There isn't a single character that isn't somehow interesting. They all seem to have their own motives, and that makes for some good secondary storylines to revolve around the major storyline.

I'm going to encourage people to watch it, since quality wise it's that good. Unfortunately, I don't have faith in the American populace, and this show will probably get canned in a few weeks. However, I'm very much in for the ride while it lasts.

Anlun
03-16-2009, 07:32 PM
It was a really well done show. My only issue is since the show needs to show an entire country the budget tends to show. The war zone seemed too fake, and Shiloh wasn't really impressive.

That aside the story line in the show is very well done. You know David becomes King but it's really interesting to see the power struggles taking place, even in the first episode. I foresee 2 seasons before it gets canceled. A shame because it is a very well thought out show.

Philly Homer
03-17-2009, 12:29 AM
I foresee 2 seasons before it gets canceled. A shame because it is a very well thought out show.

Two seasons would be a blessing. From the ratings report, Kings will be lucky to make it past the 4th episode.

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/03/kings-nbc-premiere-ratings.html#comments

Anlun
03-17-2009, 12:33 AM
Two seasons would be a blessing. From the ratings report, Kings will be lucky to make it past the 4th episode.

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/03/kings-nbc-premiere-ratings.html#comments

That sucks but I'm not surprised, they put he opening episode on Sunday with The Amazing Race, and Family Guy to compete. These shows bank a huge viewership and Sunday isn't really a big tv night. There also wasn't a strong lead in since it was 2 hours. They need to put this on a more televised night when American Idol isn't on.

Philly Homer
03-17-2009, 12:36 AM
You forgot Desperate Housewives, which is another show that gets solid numbers. A good lead in would probably help, but this show is simply too smart for most of the idiots who love procedurals just as much as Jack Benjamin likes cocks.

Anlun
03-17-2009, 01:14 AM
You forgot Desperate Housewives, which is another show that gets solid numbers. A good lead in would probably help, but this show is simply too smart for most of the idiots who love procedurals just as much as Jack Benjamin likes cocks.


Lol I loved how they threw that in there. Boy did he cry like a bitch when his dad told em off. Heh.

Philly Homer
03-23-2009, 01:54 AM
Loved the new episode, not as much as the last one, but it was still impressive.

The confrontation between Silas and his brother-in-law was awesome. Great acting by McShane, combined with fantastic dialogue made it memorable.

That wasn't my favorite part of the episode. That was the meeting between Ian McShane and Brian Cox. Once again, McShane did a great job, but his opposing actor (Cox) was right there with him. I'm more than intrigued where this dynamic will lead to. I think Silas is going to be one of my favorite characters if they give Kings a full series run.

The symbolism of the show is pretty cool, but I'm not a big fan of the reading signs thing. It just comes off as a little too biblical for my tastes.

Anlun
03-23-2009, 01:10 PM
I love the show and this episode was awesome. It built up a bunch of secondary story lines that they can use if they don't get canceled.

My only annoyance is David. I'm hoping once he settles in he'll stop but for now he always feels he needs to be the only one that can solve anything. And it must be getting annoying that God has to save his ass every time. The pigeon thing was cool.

Boofers
03-24-2009, 12:50 PM
I stayed up 'til 4am watching both episodes on Hulu.. Highly recommended!

Sophie
03-24-2009, 01:01 PM
I really like this show. I hadn't seen McShane on any other program before, but his acting is very impressive. I'm also a huge fan of Brian Cox, so of course I was happy to see him in the latest episode.

However, I'm afraid that 'Kings' might get cancelled due to bad ratings. Have a look at these links:

1 (http://tvseriesfinale.com/articles/kings-nbcs-silverman-not-canceled/), 2 (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/03/23/sunday-ratings-ncaa-tourney-obama-give-cbs-18-49-win-fox-grabs-18-34-demo/15000), or 3 (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118001533.html?categoryid=14&cs=1). Or at the wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_%28U.S._TV_series%29) where I got them from.

scaryisntit
03-24-2009, 10:53 PM
I've been following this after reading this topic on here shortly after the first episode/s and I have to say that I'm impressed. I really don't want to see this go until we've at least seen through the first season, but my hopes aren't raised.

None of friends have even heard of it...

Replay
03-24-2009, 11:57 PM
The discussions on Hulu mentioned that they already have 13 episodes filmed, so if that's true, I don't see why they wouldn't at least air those, at the very least.

scaryisntit
03-25-2009, 01:54 AM
The discussions on Hulu mentioned that they already have 13 episodes filmed, so if that's true, I don't see why they wouldn't at least air those, at the very least.

If that's true, the show may simply be moved to a late timeslot. Thankfully, that doesn't affect whether or not the show makes it to the internet.

Fingers crossed.

Australia only showed Deadwood on Showtime, which I didn't and still don't have, so I suspect the same will apply to Kings, if it even comes here.

EDIT: Wiki has a bunch of episode titles up, and by looking at the last two, perhaps this was only created to be a season or two long.

Skykes
03-26-2009, 09:17 AM
NBC likes to start with good shows... then they yank all the funding, move the timeslot a hundred times, fire the best actors/actresses, and then do off the fucking wall ratings stunts during sweeps.

Oh, and then the cancel the show and blame the viewers for not supporting it.

They're STILL not as horrible as ABC though. I loved Boston Legal on ABC... until I could never find it. They'd pull it in the middle of the season, changed time slots a bajillion times, etc. It got so bad the characters talked about it in the show.

I also love Boston Legal and its not so subtle wink at the audience. Isn't there a thread for it?

Kai Shek
03-26-2009, 12:18 PM
Australia only showed Deadwood on Showtime, which I didn't and still don't have, so I suspect the same will apply to Kings, if it even comes here.

I didn't watch Deadwood, but I was pretty sure it was only on Showtime when it premiered anyhow.

As for kings. I like it. I like that I still haven't figured out whether I like the kings character or not. I like that I am both impressed and annoyed with the main character and I like that I can't even come close to guessing whats going to happen next week.

RustyRed
03-28-2009, 06:22 AM
Fan-fucking-tastic. It's like watching a movie. A good movie.

I really hope it doesn't go the way of Firefly. :(

Anlun
03-30-2009, 12:12 AM
Another good episode but did anyone catch the fact that when David goes to party with they king's son they all get handed Magnum condoms. Pretty funny that was thrown in there. I didn't get the ending though
why did Silas walk away like that? Was the sacrifice that he can't visit anymore?

Philly Homer
03-30-2009, 12:24 AM
why did Silas walk away like that? Was the sacrifice that he can't visit anymore?

Yep, he sacrifices Serenity or the thing he loves most to keep his throne. I actually thought Silas would kill Seth ala the deer.

Speaking of the deer, that scene was absolutely fantastic, and so unexpected.

Kings delivered another great episode, which only serves to make me sadder about the show's unavoidable future.

scaryisntit
04-07-2009, 01:55 AM
Another good episode for me. Haven't heard/read anything about the recent ratings.

I didn't understand the scene with the Reverend looking at the flag on the warehouse building though. What happened there? He changed his mind...?

Also, I hate how David's family reacted at the end. He gets shunned because he didn't conspire to create an uprising? He gets shunned even though the only reason Ethan's alive and free is because of him? I get that they'd be displeased that David didn't really stand up for their home, but seriously...

Kai Shek
04-07-2009, 03:22 PM
The Flag and what he thinks it represents most likely made him change his mind and turn around.

I still can't decide if I think Silas is a villian or just doing what he has to do, which is a really good thing in my opinion.

I am not sure if the Mom is shunning him or just doesn't want to cause conflict, so she shuts the door on him. If they are indeed shunning him, it's pretty lame. I can undersand that one son(or the other sons) but not the mother.

QuaziJoe
04-13-2009, 05:22 AM
The Flag Scene was one of the what the fuck scenes.. if you'll notice the smoke is blowing one way from the chimney, but the flag is blowing the other way.

Its like the Butterfly scene, completely symbolic and unrealistic but awesome.

White Rabbit
04-14-2009, 09:11 AM
Aaaaannd it got moved to Saturdays 8/7 c. I hope they don't fuck this one up. I'm really starting to enjoy this series. It's probably unrealistic expectations/hopes.

Anlun
04-14-2009, 08:54 PM
If they moved it to Saturday it seems like they want the show to fail. This sucks since it was such a well done show.

QuaziJoe
04-15-2009, 04:18 AM
This maybe the most under advertised show ever...

I didn't even know when the show started, exactly what it was about, or that they were switching broadcast days.

I still haven't watched the show on TV, I've been watching it on the internets all this time.

IF NBC threw some attention over to Kings I'm sure it could easily get nominated for one of those fancy smancy academy awards.

More than likely though its going to go the ways of Journey man...

I loved that show.

scaryisntit
04-22-2009, 02:54 AM
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/04/nbc-moves-kings-to-summer.html

QuaziJoe
04-22-2009, 03:02 AM
Now NBC is just going Fox on Us.

Damn You Paradigm Shift!
Damn You...

Philly Homer
04-23-2009, 12:50 AM
It's a shame, but you could see it coming from afar. The fact of the matter is that the American audience simply isn't smart enough to handle a show like this. I appreciate the fact that NBC made and aired the show. I wish they would have given it more time to build an audience, but I doubt it would have helped much.

The positive is that it leaves Ian McShane to go back to HBO, and participate in a Game of Thrones. Hopefully!

Boofers
06-15-2009, 09:06 PM
NBC is airing the rest of the Episodes on Saturdays it looks like. Episode 6 from this past weekend is up on Hulu already.

scaryisntit
06-17-2009, 12:35 AM
The more I watch this show the more annoyed I get. I'm really enjoying this - the writing, acting, setting, music (some string pieces reminiscent of Deadwood) - and I'm getting annoyed that there's practically no chance for a second season.

The latest episode was another excellent one. Can't wait for the weekend.

Definitely buying the DVD when comes out.

EDIT: Nevermind. It's effectively been cancelled. No order for another season in the NBC 09-10 schedule. Oh well. At least we get to see the whole season.

QuaziJoe
06-18-2009, 07:32 PM
It's like firefly all over again!

Boofers
06-22-2009, 01:13 PM
This past Saturday's episode was really great. My favorite episode by far. I'm missing the show more and more with each passing episode and it's not even technically over yet :(

scaryisntit
06-25-2009, 05:05 AM
This past Saturday's episode was really great. My favorite episode by far. I'm missing the show more and more with each passing episode and it's not even technically over yet :(

QFT.

Just watched it. I can't remember the last time I was so frustrated that a show I enjoyed was cancelled. Farscape, I'd say.

So, yes, another brilliant episode. I didn't think I'd like a show where the "hero" originated from Home & Away but he's surprised me.

Ian McShane is an excellent actor, and a mighty fine storyteller, too. I hope the next project he's a part of lasts longer.

Quite simply, I'm enjoying Kings more than anything else on TV right now. It'll like be my favourite show of the year. Given how much I enjoyed 24 this season (aside from a few qualms, it was a great return to form), that's saying something.

Boofers
06-25-2009, 03:49 PM
Something I didn't quite get..

At the end there when Silas said 'Death took what was near,' does that imply that David's father would have lived if Silas hadn't bartered for Michelle's life?

scaryisntit
06-25-2009, 09:43 PM
Possibly. But I'd have to rewatch it since I don't specifically remember that line.

If Michelle had died, there's the chance that there would've been no war given that Silas broke (according to his wife). That would mean that David would never have blown up a Goliath tank and never would've become involved with the royal family.

So, by saving Michelle, I think it's safe to say that Silas doomed his own reign as King by creating 'the better man' in David. As for David's father surviving, it's possible, but we'll never know.


Oh, 400 posts.

Anlun
06-25-2009, 10:18 PM
Finally caught up, and damn so sad this is cancelled. I just don't understand Macaulay Culkin's role in the show. Besides being a cleptomaniac, he seems pointless.

Boofers
06-26-2009, 02:25 AM
I thought he was cross-dressing what with the ladies shoe and all.

Anlun
06-26-2009, 08:57 PM
I thought he was cross-dressing what with the ladies shoe and all.

I'm pretty sure he stole it since the Queen was missing one shoe, and it mysteriously appears in his room.

Anlun
06-27-2009, 10:00 PM
Awesome episode, never thought I would get so into a show, but I felt for Silas. There better be an awesome series finale.

QuaziJoe
06-28-2009, 04:31 AM
So much potential... I can't imagine them ending the season with anything else than a cliff hanger and that pisses me off since its going to be the only one.

Heres hoping another network picks it up.
Hopefully CBS...

Boofers
06-28-2009, 01:26 PM
Wow poor Silas. I just can't get over how bad I feel for a freaking television character.

White Rabbit
06-29-2009, 01:13 AM
What a bit of irony. David wanted to tell Silas while Michelle didn't, and then she goes and blabs not even giving David the courtesy of, "Hey, I'm about to fuck your relationship with the king over."

This series just keeps getting better and better. I really hope it gets picked up by someone else.

QuaziJoe
06-29-2009, 02:05 PM
I suppose this is good... Remember when Heroes was still good.

Then NBC screwed the pooch and it turned into crap.
I don't think I can take it if kings turned into season 2 of heroes.

Vir
07-04-2009, 01:08 AM
The entire first season is being released on DVD on september 8th, 2009. I for one plan to actually buy it.

neren
07-14-2009, 03:05 PM
Anyone catch the latest episode? I just watched it on Hulu and I've got to say, best episode so far and Ian McShane was amazing.

QuaziJoe
07-14-2009, 05:45 PM
I caught it... it was amazing. Is the next episode the last one...?

Since they don't plan to have a second season I hope they tie up some loose ends. I hate ending a series on a cliffhanger.

I too plan to buy the season 1 when it comes out. And I never do that. I don't have high hopes for it being picked up by another network. Maybee by some gay religious network like pax but then I would never watch it. it won't get the budget it demands and they would pussify it.

neren
07-15-2009, 12:17 AM
I think there are two episodes left. I might put in some money to get the DVD depending on how the last two episodes go. If USA could pick it up I could see it succeeding.

scaryisntit
07-15-2009, 12:29 AM
Judging by the episode summaries on wikipedia, I'm guessing we'll have a cliffhanger ending. That excities and disappoints me.

However, the episodes look to be very interesting. Can't freakin' wait.

scaryisntit
07-20-2009, 01:12 AM
That... that was brilliant. I don't have the words to describe how much I enjoyed the latest episode. Just one to go and it looks to be the best.

Love the little interconnected parts in the episode, and the series as a whole. One of the ones this episode being when the two guards who man the gate start questioning the importance of it only to have David need them to get through the gates.

I didn't pick Silas getting shot, but I'll be damned if it didn't work

QuaziJoe
07-20-2009, 01:36 AM
SPoilers!!!

I wasn't sure if silas getting shot was good or not. If I didn't know that the last few episodes were all that were left of the show I think I would have been blown away with its boldness. But now that I know it feels like their trying to hard to wrap it up.

I know I argued that I hoped it didn't end on a cliffy but still I like this show too much for it to be sullied even slightly.

Though that last scene with david telling off silas had me gasm. That was so satisfying.

Iztiak
07-20-2009, 02:03 AM
Dang, I just watched the whole series. Awesome. So awesome.

Are the ratings up any? It would be awful if this got canceled...

Fimbulvintr
07-20-2009, 02:18 AM
Epic.

I was a little disappointed when they chose the assassination route at the beginning, but they made it work very well. After getting over the shock factor of it, it really does make sense as a tactic. Not only does their coup succeed with a minimum of effort, but the assassination gets blamed on Gath and the war can start all over again, it was brilliant. They just didn't prepare for Silas surviving and escaping.

I hate the stupid people of this planet for getting this show canceled. If there isn't an explosion or a sex scene every five minutes it's just not worth watching to those fuckers.

This show is what a contemporary Shakespeare would have written, complete with the comic relief that are the two gate guards. Dare I say that it seems divinely inspired? The only thing that could come close to the mental satisfaction of watching Kings is kicking Rush Limbaugh in the balls.

I mean come on! This show even has a handsome gay prince who has to oh-so-tragically hide his love for cock to keep his throne. Where the hell are the fucking gajillion yaoi fangirls when you freakin' need them?

Anlun
07-20-2009, 02:53 AM
Best line of from Silas:

"Your mouth has been on worse places"

Awesome show, I really wish they would bring it back, I was even starting to like Macaulay Culkin

neren
07-26-2009, 01:51 AM
Damn I can't believe that's all we get. I have to say that this episode was still pretty amazing.

With Silas being a badass and just strolling back into his kingdom. David showing up with Gath tanks and Silas' comment about fighting tanks was epic. The show has come full circle.

I also didn't think Silas was going to have a fist fight with David. He seemed pretty accepting up until he started drinking. I wish that David and Silas had found out about Rev. Samuel's death after their fight.

Boofers
07-26-2009, 05:00 PM
And then it was over :(

Vir
07-26-2009, 05:04 PM
<3 it will be missed

Torak
07-26-2009, 05:09 PM
"Silly William bringing guns to a tank fight"

That was best line of the day

Kai Shek
07-26-2009, 05:10 PM
Kind of annoyed that they left it wide open for a future season. But then, they can hardly write the first season, planning on it to be canceled.

They advertised this show before the premiere, and they got like 6m viewers. it hasn't been mentioned since, no wonder there down to the average 1.5m. I loved the premiere, but still forgot to watch it the next week, without a nice comercial reminder.

Anlun
07-26-2009, 06:28 PM
Awesome show, shame it's over. It looked like they rewrote the ending. To me it looked as if originally it was meant to end with Silas more willing to let David take over, but that would of been a slow process, and instead they ended it with a dramatic fight and David on the run but will inevitably come back.

Did anyone else find the son's punishment not that bad? He just has to sleep with that hot chick over and over. Doesn't sound too bad to me. The King's brother got the bad end of the punishment deal imo.

kjp
07-26-2009, 08:55 PM
I loved how they threw a shoe at Silas during the press confrence.

scaryisntit
07-27-2009, 01:47 AM
I can't believe it's over... that was one of the best tv shows I've ever watched. Plenty of things in this episode were awesome.

-Silas just strolling up the street, and the arrival of David in Gath tanks straight after.
-Rev. Samuel's death, and presence afterwards.
-The conversation between Silas and God was as great as one could hope it to be (a little corny, but brilliant anyway).
-Rose: Husband. Silas: Wife.
-Rose exiling Michelle so she'd be safe during her pregnancy.
-The butterfly following David at the end as he crosses into Gath.

There were a couple more but I've mindblanked on them. Have to rewatch the entire series soon - DVDs out in September, wasn't it? Hopefully it'll come to Australia.

Ian McShane did a great job. Same with Christopher Egan, who I admit I was prejudice towards because he was in Home and Away (an Australia soap; think Days of our Lives with more focus on teenagers and near a beach). Hope McShane does another show.

Did anyone else find the son's punishment not that bad? He just has to sleep with that hot chick over and over. Doesn't sound too bad to me. The King's brother got the bad end of the punishment deal imo.

Jack's gay remember. He can barely bring himself to look at her, let alone sleep with her until she's pregnant. What I don't understand is how she doesn't understand that Jack hates her and wants nothing to do with her.

Fimbulvintr
07-27-2009, 05:53 PM
Awesome show, shame it's over. It looked like they rewrote the ending. To me it looked as if originally it was meant to end with Silas more willing to let David take over, but that would of been a slow process, and instead they ended it with a dramatic fight and David on the run but will inevitably come back.I don't think they rewrote the ending. I remember an interview McShane did on the Daily Show where he said that NBC had already filmed all of season one before they aired it. There's no reason for them to rewrite/shoot a brand new episode and waste all that money for a show that's already being canceled anway. Also, it fits with the history of King David, since he really did have to get out of Israel and defect to the Philistines.