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Ryuugi Shi
07-22-2010, 07:14 PM
A few days late, but...

Quote from: Orbweaver on July 15, 2010, 11:08:52 AM (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,19705.msg870333.html#msg870333)
Jim asking who we'd like to see more isn't really an indication he's going to include them more in the books. All it does is give him a rough idea of which characters are popular besides Harry, as not everyone who reads the Dresden Files is following him on twitter.

(http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,19705.msg870333.html#msg870333)

Actually, it's kind of exactly why I am asking. I have roles to fill in the current story that could be supported by multiple characters. I'm wavering over which ones to pick, and tick-tock. So why not ask the readers who they'd like to see more of? http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/Smileys/default/smiley.gif

Jim
(http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,19705.msg870333.html#msg870333)

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,19705.msg872655.html#msg872655

So. Who do you want to see?

Edit: Not sure what's up with Jim's part, but his post can be found here:

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,19705.msg872655.html#msg872655

Rehio
07-22-2010, 07:19 PM
Hmm... for me, it's definitely:

Ivy
Toot-Toot
Butters

Custer
07-22-2010, 07:36 PM
Can we just say Lara Raith, Molly's tits and be done with it?

Phantom of the Library
07-22-2010, 08:13 PM
Carlos Ramirez or Elaine. Both of these characters could make any book better, with their unique magic styles.

... Molly's tits and be done with itActually, in Harry's Day Off she is topless while Harry rescues her from his smoking basement, though he doesn't describe them in great detail.

LittleChicago
07-22-2010, 08:48 PM
... Another reason I can't wait for Side Jobs.

Definitely Elaine, no explanation req'd.

Ramirez, only because making fun of virgins is fun.

Kincaid and Ivy. Greatest "family" ever.

I Burn Water
07-23-2010, 04:21 AM
shagnasty, mister, erlking, maeve, toot, and less murphy.

Bukay
07-23-2010, 06:01 AM
Eldest Gruff for he is awesome.

Ramirez, he's a good comic relief.

And to quote LittleChicago:
The greatest "family" ever known: Kincaid and Ivy. Now that we know what both of them are capable of...

And to sate my curiosity I'd like to see more of Tera West. That or to know what happened to her. Butcher did mention that she'll make an appearance somewhere in the future.

Vesvius
07-23-2010, 09:56 AM
Eldest Gruff, definitly.

Toot because I think he's great.

Kincaid and Ivy. No brainer.

And I'm going to say Gard. Her concept is interesting, and I've always wanted to see a bit of the dynamics between the Valkyrie and the Mobster.

w1lliam
07-23-2010, 12:51 PM
Blackstaff and anything mentioned ^

CheddarTrek
07-23-2010, 01:43 PM
I don't like Elaine any more than I liked Susan, perhaps even less, and have no desire to see her ever again. You say no explanation required, but I really don't get why people like her.

Lara is great as a support cast sometimes, but I don't want to see more of her. Great character as is though.

Molly is fine so long as she is not going to have a relationship outside of Master/Apprentice with Harry.

I think I'm in a relative minority on those things because everyone else seems to like those characters but not Murphy as much. As for me, I'll admit that Murphy irritated me in the early books, but starting around Summer Knight she has rapidly become one of my all-time favorite fictional female characters.

That said we usually get to see plenty of her as it is, so I'm hoping we continue in that trend.

I'd like to see more Kincaid/Ivy (not shipping, just together), Marcone/Gard (again, not a ship), Toot, Mouse, Demonreach, and Ebenezer. Maybe the Alphas, but that depends on how they've grown/matured. Maybe Gatekeeper.

Ramirez is like Lara -- great support cast sometimes, but I don't really want him around more either. Same for Butters.

Silens Cursor
07-23-2010, 02:00 PM
Elaine and Susan both irritated the fuck out of me, and Murphy has yet to grow on me significantly - not entirely sure why, though.

As characters go, I'd love to see more of Marcone, Kincaid and Ivy, The Eldest Gruff, definitely the Gatekeeper, and (obviously) more Nicodemus, particularly if there is any way for Lasciel to get back in the picture.

afrojack
07-23-2010, 03:19 PM
Mab (more Winter!Harry in store, I hope)
Lea ('nuff said)
Ebenezar (grandpa Blackstaff, he needs to teach Harry the family trade)
The Gatekeeper
Maeve
Lily
Molly

Scrib
07-23-2010, 04:51 PM
Mab-We still need to find out exactly what happened to her
Eldest Gruff
Titania
Cowl- I'm not so convinced he was Peabody.
Injun Joe.
Sanya- Moar Sanya. That is all.
Outsiders . Any Outsiders. We've pretty much see nothing of substance from them,yet.
Ferrovax

Characters who need to be downgraded:
Molly- hell, she seems to be heading towards "warlock" anyway and God knows what will happen to her with Harry dead.

Lara- The dynamic between her and Harry has changed,it's no longer "Oh-I-can-look-and-tease-but-I-can't-touch, it's I-will-suck-your-soul-out-when-I-get-the-munchies.

Not to mention that there seems to be no real defense against the WC, once the mojo hits you it's over.

And this is all besides the fact that since Blood Rites the White Court fucking scare me. That's right, I'm afraid of mega-hot sex-vampires,what of it?

The werewolves- they're just fucking outclassed now man. I don't want to see wolves sent to the slaughterhouse.

J22
07-23-2010, 07:39 PM
Carlos Ramirez or Elaine. Both of these characters could make any book better, with their unique magic styles.
This. Especially Ramirez.
Kincaid and Ivy. Greatest "family" ever.
And this.
And to sate my curiosity I'd like to see more of Tera West. That or to know what happened to her. Butcher did mention that she'll make an appearance somewhere in the future.
Also this.
And I'm going to say Gard. Her concept is interesting, and I've always wanted to see a bit of the dynamics between the Valkyrie and the Mobster.
This too.
As for me, I'll admit that Murphy irritated me in the early books, but starting around Summer Knight she has rapidly become one of my all-time favorite fictional female characters.
Definitely this.

Not a character but I wanna see Harry use his gun more, he doesn't use it as much as he did in the earlier books and gunslinger Dresden is always fun. It always set him apart from the rest of the White Coucil too, showed him as more of a contemporary, mortal savvy wizard.

CheddarTrek
07-23-2010, 08:50 PM
Cowl- I'm not so convinced he was Peabody.Wat?

I wasn't under the impression that anyone thought Cowl was Peabody.

I'm inclined to say "that's really stupid" but it's possible I missed whatever evidence people are using for this. Anyone care to enlighten me?

And just because Harry suspects Cowl of being on the WC doesn't mean Cowl = Peabody, so I hope there is more to go on than that.

Scrib
07-23-2010, 09:42 PM
Wat?

I wasn't under the impression that anyone thought Cowl was Peabody.

I'm inclined to say "that's really stupid" but it's possible I missed whatever evidence people are using for this. Anyone care to enlighten me?

And just because Harry suspects Cowl of being on the WC doesn't mean Cowl = Peabody, so I hope there is more to go on than that.

http://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=10166

You're right though, the connection was made because we knew of no one else in the Black Council. Just because they work for the same people doesn't mean they are the same. Which was exactly my point.

Nemrut
07-25-2010, 06:28 AM
I am seeing things pretty similar to CheddarTrek, didn't like Elaine very much and while Murphy was meh/irritating in the first three books, after that she too became one of my favorites.

Never had this Susan hate either, actually kind of liked her. Same with Molly who is a pretty interesting character.

But I wish to see more of Sanya, Kincaid/Ivy and the Alphas. I know, Scribblerus is right when he says that they are seriously outclassed now, but damnit they grew on me and I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up some other stuff to make them on par with the rest of the cast.

Taure
07-25-2010, 08:44 AM
Ferrovax, Ivy, Nicodemus, the Gatekeeper, Cowl. Basically, powerful free agents are fun. Vampires and random demons/monsters from the Nevernever I find less interesting.

Also, Molly sans clothes.

LittleChicago
07-25-2010, 10:48 AM
I don't like Elaine any more than I liked Susan, perhaps even less, and have no desire to see her ever again. You say no explanation required, but I really don't get why people like her.

I think I'm in a relative minority on those things because everyone else seems to like those characters but not Murphy as much. As for me, I'll admit that Murphy irritated me in the early books, but starting around Summer Knight she has rapidly become one of my all-time favorite fictional female characters.

That said we usually get to see plenty of her as it is, so I'm hoping we continue in that trend.

I like Elaine because she's essentially a female Harry - wizard, sneaky, snarky. Her presence also brings with it the possibility of exploring Harry's past, which I'm completely in favour of.

I agree with you 100% on Murphy - I like her. I never got the hate. Someone explained it to me that people were frustrated that she wouldn't take up the damn Sword and was dating Kincaid - two things that don't define the character at all. But we do see her in every book, so a bump in appearances doesn't really work.

Elaine, on the other hand, we've met twice. First time, she was mysterious and a little frustrating, second time, she was Harry's other half.

CheddarTrek
07-25-2010, 12:34 PM
I like Elaine because she's essentially a female Harry - wizard, sneaky, snarky. Her presence also brings with it the possibility of exploring Harry's past, which I'm completely in favour of.

Elaine seems weak-willed in Summer Knight and interested in "going along with what's convenient" instead of trying to "do what's right."

That's my real issue with her. She does what's best/convenient for her and screw the rest of the world. Harry tends to be the exact opposite.

Now granted, there's nothing wrong with a character who looks out for number one first. I just don't like her. She also doesn't seem to want to trust Harry despite knowing that she should be able to.

Maybe some of that is unfair to her character, but it's the impression I have. I don't think of her as snarky or sneaky, just as the irritating kind of smartass and weak-willed.

I know that a lot of that can be explained by what DuMorne did to her. That had to have really messed with her mind and psyche in ways that aren't easy to ignore or recover from. But so far the books haven't done much more than hint at that and have Elaine say things that could have been aimed at manipulating Harry anyway (*pout pout* I don't want anyone to control me).

We're going to see more of Elaine though guys, don't worry. She was probably picked by DuMorne for the same reasons Harry was, which likely has to do the whole OutsiderBane thing we haven't got much information on yet, so she'll turn up.

Aekiel
07-25-2010, 12:43 PM
Personally, I think Elaine isn't as kind-hearted as she likes to appear, which is precisely the reason I want to see more of her. Sure, she was traumatised when DuMorne enthralled her, but that doesn't change the fact that she seemed to fit in very well with Aurora and her crew, or that she may not have been released from her debt when the Summer Lady was killed.

My reckoning is that she may be working for Titania, to whatever end that may be.

CheddarTrek
07-25-2010, 12:54 PM
Aye, Aekiel. That's precisely the reason I'm not as fond of her and don't really want to see more of her.

Though I'll agree that those things also make her a good character for the story.

I've been wondering if maybe one of the reasons (one of many) that Mab was so determined to get Harry for the WK is because Winter needed to balance Summer (which still has control of Elaine somehow, though not as the SK obviously).

Why do I have this idea that Elaine is an OutsiderBane same as Harry -- I don't recall that being in the actual books anywhere, was it a JB quote?

LittleChicago
07-25-2010, 01:12 PM
See Word of God thread:

Q: Is Elaine another candidate to wield power over Outsiders (the way Harry supposedly is)?
A: Yes. There’s a reason Justin picked the two of them.

Innomine
07-25-2010, 05:26 PM
I honestly think I am the only person in this entire forum to not want Dresden/Molly. :/ Just... no. It works best as it currently is, at the moment anyway.

Not sure if i've posted in this thread yet, but my votes are definitely for Ivy and Lash so far.

Midknight
07-25-2010, 06:07 PM
Lash

Demonreach (the fact that Harry wasn't hiding/moved there right after he took it over is fucking absurd. )

Pissed off Molly

Less Murphy unless you make her less I AM THE LAW personality.

Ivy and Kincaid

Luccio

Drakul

Aekiel
07-25-2010, 06:12 PM
If I had to make a list (and since this is for minor parts only), I'd probably go with:

Molly
Elaine
Maeve/Lily (preferably together ;))
Kincaid
Listens-To-Winds
Steed
Ramirez

No specific order there, though I would like to see Steed play a more prominent role since he's just that awesome, Ramirez too. Also, Lily/Maeve is hot.

LittleChicago
07-25-2010, 06:23 PM
Totally forgot about Chandler. It's that under-stated British-ness. He gets a vote.

And Ramirez gets an extra vote just because he's ridden a dinosaur.

Cappadocian
07-25-2010, 11:42 PM
Uriel, Elaine, Mouse, Lara, Thomas, Ivy and Kinkaid, Erlking, Maeve, and The Pack.

Covil
07-26-2010, 07:46 PM
Ivy for sure, and Kincaid is kind of a package deal with her.
Sanya really came into his own in the last book, I'd like more of him.
Lea and Mab; although with the recent direction I don't think they qualify as minor.

Everyone else I wouldn't mind, but I wouldn't cheer for either.

Elaine can stay gone, she just ruins Harry whenever she's around.
And Maeve will likely play a big part soon, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I never got all the Maeve love around here.

Celestin
07-26-2010, 08:17 PM
Ivy because she soon will stop being cute, little girl with all humanity knowledge in head and start being young woman. Not that it will be bad thing, but anyone who know Layla Miller from X-Factor comics know that this kind of transformation take some charm from character. So it would be nice to see her before that happens. Or maybe it happened already because I'm not sure how old she should be in Ghost Story.

Lash. And if we are ever see her again this is a chance. It's not like Harry as a ghost has lobotomized brain, so if she is around somewhere in his spiritual mind, she should contact him without problems.

Ramirez, so we know if he changed his status ;) .

Dresden's mother. We heard so much about her, so it's a great chance to meet her. Unless she isn't dead like I suspect.

Morgan. He is dead and so is Harry. He could be the one that some highter-ups send to help Harry with whatever problems he will need to deal as a ghost.

fuubar
07-26-2010, 09:06 PM
Or maybe it happened already because I'm not sure how old she should be in Ghost Story.

She should be 14-15ish. I believe in Changes it's mentioned that she is freshman in high school age.

Ramirez, Steed, Luccio. Any and all of the Senior Council. Morgan would be awesome to see again as well, but I get the feeling that his story is over. Let the poor man lie, he definitely earned it.

Also, even though it has been confirmed (way back sometime) that Lasciel (the real one, not Lash) would be back, I really really wanna see her show up soon (just for the 'Oh Shit' that it brings Harry).

I'm rather ambivalent towards Elaine, it would be nice to see her back as she and Harry have a very ... interesting relationship, but as a character I don't find her quite as interesting as some of the others.

Agayek
07-26-2010, 10:49 PM
I'd like to see more of Ramirez, Ivy + Kincaid, and Sue. Definitely need to see Sue again.

J22
07-27-2010, 12:44 AM
Morgan would be awesome to see again as well, but I get the feeling that his story is over. Let the poor man lie, he definitely earned it.
I agree but it would be nostalgic to see him accuse Harry of being a dark wizard for not dying properly :D

fuubar
07-27-2010, 01:56 AM
I agree but it would be nostalgic to see him accuse Harry of being a dark wizard for not dying properly :D

If there was ever a reason for Morgan to live through Turn Coat, this is most definitely it.

Fardeki
07-28-2010, 12:40 AM
Eldest Gruff definitely. Bad ass goat bleeting while it kills senior council members, what's not to love?

Toot toot. I find his rise to power interesting and would like to see more Toot-Dresden interaction. Praise be to the Za Lord.