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Howdy
09-21-2010, 05:57 AM
*Rant Ahead*

Okay folks, I've recently begun reading this series in earnest and just finished up the second book. However, I find myself asking, "why does DLP love this series so much?" It doesn't mesh with me.

Honestly, I don't like it so far. The plots of the first two books really do remind me of a sort of Scooby Doo mystery only with real magic and monsters and shit. I had the villain pegged in book 1 almost from the beginning. I mean, what can you expect when you're presented with his "mystery" disappearance right from the get-go and then don't hear another thing about him until the last quarter of the book?

It's clumsy foreshadowing.

The second book, while not as bad, is very similar. The foreshadowing may as well have big neon signs pointing to them saying PAY ATTENTION HERE!

But that's not even what I hate most about it. Dresden's character is the sort of lame shit I would think DLP would hate in its protagonist. He's hamstrung in nearly every scene by fear, uncertainty, and crippling self-doubt. I understand that we don't want a Gary Stu, but it's tiresome seeing him freeze up in horror (though he's seen worse shit before, of course) or conveniently forget essential details (didn't that werewolf lady say TWO cars were following me 30 seconds ago?) that we all, as readers readily remember.

EVERY fucking thing is Dresden's fault, even if bad people who are in the know about the supernatural are getting butchered or some fucking idiot police lieutenant whose job it is to deal with this shit won't listen to him and gets a dozen people mauled, or opens a cabinet that he just told her not to open.

And speaking of Murphy, doesn't anyone else hate this bitch? How am I supposed to feel an ounce of sympathy towards her? For some reason Dresden sees her as a "friend" despite the fact that, after working with her for years, she doesn't believe a damn thing he says. What kind of idiot is she? She knows this shit is real, yet still beats up and arrests Dresden and puts everyone around her in danger just because she's obsessed with arresting deranged psychopath dark wizards and werewolves. I mean here's a champ who literally took Dresden's words so much to heart that she melted down her earrings on the off chance that she'd have to face the "big bad," yet who drags a man she suspects is a werewolf, who is kicking and screaming and yelling that he'll kill everyone, back to police HQ on the night of the full moon because she believes in doing things by the book or some shit.

But oh no, Dresden would never hold that against her, even when she beats him up and hamstrings him and tries to arrest him when he's just trying to do the right thing and save everyone.

Dresden's complete aversion to kill anyone, even psycho mass-murderers, is ridiculous. He whines about how much he sacrifices for everyone yet tainting his soul just a little is too much of a sacrifice? Bullshit. He doesn't have to kill people with magic in order to kill them, if that's the hang-up. But no, every life is a precious snowflake to him - fuck the White Council who won't hesitate to kill anyone and anything that sneezes wrong.

Honestly, Dresden reminds of a grown-up loser Harry Potter who's even more of a pussy than the kid, who would at least toss around some dark magic when the need arose.

tl;dr

When does this series actually get good, or does it? I don't want to read 12 books about a carebear sleuth who lets everyone around him shit all over him and comes out of it with a smile on his face and forgiveness on his lips.

How many more people get murdered before he takes the kid gloves off? Or did I just get my hopes up with this series?

Fiat
09-21-2010, 06:14 AM
I figured I'd respond before you get ten answers of "It's shit! I couldn't read past book two!"

This is something that I'm pretty sure that everyone has realized at some point. The first two books are terrible. Really fucking terrible. I read past because of DLP's constant recommendations, and found that it gets significantly less terrible in book three.

I'm pretty sure Jim Butcher is aware of this too. Very little that's even related to either of the first two books relates back to the plotlines later. After Storm Front, Dresden never makes another goddamned potion. Murphy's character gets a fuckload less annoying really quickly, but I still find it difficult to ignore how fucking annoying and bitchy she used to be.

How many more people get murdered before he takes the kid gloves off?None. His girlfriend just becomes slightly less human. Then he burns down a fucking building, starts a war, and kills a fuckload of people.

Tehan
09-21-2010, 06:19 AM
Dresden gets better. Murphy gets better. The books get better.

Nice to know your faith in our collective opinion only lasts a couple of books. If you'd asked on IRC instead of posting a dozen-paragraph condemnation, you'd have gotten something along the lines of 'stick it out, it's all uphill from here'.

Also:

carebear sleuth who lets everyone around him shit all over him and comes out of it with a smile on his face and forgiveness on his lips

That's Dresden alright. Yup. Sure is. I'll just be over here, laughing for like half an hour straight.

Red Aviary
09-21-2010, 06:22 AM
After Storm Front, Dresden never makes another goddamned potion.Well, he does... not really "on-screen," but he teaches Molly to do it and I remember a scene from Changes where he uses some kind of anti-gravity potion.

I've told my brother to just skip the first two books. I mean, Butcher has a (sometimes annoying) habit of covering any need-to-know information later on anyway, and like Fiat said, he barely ever refers to those books except for maybe one or two throwaway lines. Shit gets real in Book 3.

EDIT: Caught this:

Dresden's complete aversion to kill anyone, even psycho mass-murderers, is ridiculous. He whines about how much he sacrifices for everyone yet tainting his soul just a little is too much of a sacrifice? Bullshit. He doesn't have to kill people with magic in order to kill them, if that's the hang-up. But no, every life is a precious snowflake to him - fuck the White Council who won't hesitate to kill anyone and anything that sneezes wrong.

I lol'd.

Howdy
09-21-2010, 06:25 AM
Dresden gets better. Murphy gets better. The books get better.

Nice to know your faith in our collective opinion only lasts a couple of books. If you'd asked on IRC instead of posting a dozen-paragraph condemnation, you'd have gotten something along the lines of 'stick it out, it's all uphill from here'.

I don't think this figure of speech means what you think it means.

And exactly how many whole books did you expect me to read before I lost faith in your opinion?

That's Dresden alright. Yup. Sure is. I'll just be over here, laughing for like half an hour straight.

And I'll thank you for not being condescending. I'll excuse it due to the fact that the memory of books one and two for an old-timer like you is surely slipping.


So am I hearing that things get better in book 3? I should continue and won't be disappointed given the misgivings I've voiced?

Tehan
09-21-2010, 06:36 AM
What, three people giving the exact same message that book three is better and the quality keeps going up isn't enough to convince you? Either keep reading or don't.

I don't think this figure of speech means what you think it means.

Arguable, and context made it clear what I meant. Feel free to feel smug about it, though, if that's what gets you off.

Phantom of the Library
09-21-2010, 07:22 AM
Basically what everyone else has said.

Butcher wanted to make Harry seem like a real person in horrifying situations. But he took it too far and placed a little too much emphasis on Harry being scared as hell.

In the later books it's basically, "Yeah, I'm fucking terrified, but I've got a fucking job to do."

Also, it's really not so unbelievable that Harry wouldn't want to kill anyone. If I had the Doom of Damocles over my head I'd keep my nose real God damn clean.

Regardless, this changes later in the books, but still.

tl;dr:

Like everyone on the damn planet says, the series gets way better as time goes on. Everything about it, from the characters to the plot lines.

Agayek
09-21-2010, 08:18 AM
And I'll thank you for not being condescending. I'll excuse it due to the fact that the memory of books one and two for an old-timer like you is surely slipping.


So am I hearing that things get better in book 3? I should continue and won't be disappointed given the misgivings I've voiced?

Book 3 is pretty much where the books take off, with books 4, 7 (I think anyway, I'm referring to Dead Beat, whichever # that is) and 11 being the best thus far IMO.

I'd recommend sticking with it, because as a whole it is honestly one of the better book series I've ever read. Also, it has a zombie dinosaur. You can't go wrong with that.

When does this series actually get good, or does it? I don't want to read 12 books about a carebear sleuth who lets everyone around him shit all over him and comes out of it with a smile on his face and forgiveness on his lips.

How many more people get murdered before he takes the kid gloves off? Or did I just get my hopes up with this series?

Quasi-important spoilers below, just as a warning.

Considering in book 3, he unleashes massive amounts of fire on a building containing a rather large party, and in book 4 he murders a Fairie Queen, it's not much longer before the gloves come off.

Also, the general reaction to Dresden being a carebear is mostly caused by the fact that in the latest book he quite literally causes the extinction of an entire species.

Celestin
09-21-2010, 08:25 AM
I didn't have problem with first books, because mystery always keep me going, but then I couldn't finish fourth one, because I knew its ending. Luckily I read only few spoilers before reading DF and one spoiler which wasn't a spoiler but it spoiled me one book (I know - complicated, I will explain in a minute).

All in all, what everyone said - it's getting better and by the ending of book seven, it's just pure awesomeness.

And now story about spoiler that wasn't spoiler, yet it was:
I once read title of DF fic - Saving Ivy and because of that I knew from the beginning that in Small Favor she will be in big trouble. I was quite surprised when after reading the whole series, I checked this fic and it was about something entirely else.

Othalan
09-21-2010, 08:32 AM
Basically what everyone else has said. Book 3 isn't one of my favorites, but it is enormously important to the overarching plot of the series, and is also where the writing and characters really start to pick up in quality. Read books 3 and 4. If you still hate it after reading Summer Knight, then there is no hope for you.

LittleChicago
09-21-2010, 09:31 AM
Book 1 was written as an excersise for a creative writing class, one chapter as a time - which explains why the plot is a little stilted and the characterisation doesn't really go anywhere. Book 2 was written with the same frame of mind.

Jim Butcher didn't sell a book until he was part way through writing Book 3, and by then he was willing to experiment, because his professor had told him Book 1 was publishable, but it obviously was taking a while; losing a little faith in said prof, he tried soemthing new.

All you really need to know from the first two books is that:
1. Harry is a wizard who hcan toss around some bitchin's power, but not a lot of finesse;
2. He has some friends who are werewolves;
3. This mUrphy chick is tough and bitchy, like many female cops have to be, but doesn't know (and therefore doesn't understand) everything about Harry's life.

Book 3, on the other hand, introduces Michael, who's about 8 different kinds of Fuckin'A.

Perspicacity
09-21-2010, 09:42 AM
@Howdy: Had you listened to the recommendations on here, you'd have heard repeatedly that the first DF books are weak and amateurish. Many of us have stated we were disenchanted with the series until getting farther along. The books after around book 3-4 are good, though still formulaic at times. Take some time with them, don't read them back-to-back, and you'll enjoy them more.

My own bit of DLP blasphemy: For me the bigger disappointment was the last book, Changes, which essentially shark-jumps the series into who-knows-what after I'd invested in reading a dozen or so books. It's not even good writing at that--too much happens too fast, leaving the reader as shell-shocked as the main character (yeah, I recognize that this was intentional, but not everything in an author's creative vision actually works when put into print).

Jon
09-21-2010, 09:54 AM
Book 6 is the best book.

A Cult of Porn Star Sorceresses try and sacrifice Dresden to an Eldritch Abomination. Also. Lara <3

Red
09-21-2010, 11:47 AM
Howdy, I remember thinking pretty much the same thing when I read the first two books and thinking "DLP, I am disappoint". However, the books really do pick-up beginning at Grave Peril so keep reading because it becomes worth it. Murphy, I remembering really hating her as well but her character gets tolerable, and likable for some.

Shinysavage
09-21-2010, 11:55 AM
Actually, I'm fairly sure I read somewhere that some of the over-arching villains might possibly have had something to do with the belts in Fool Moon and Sells in Storm Front, but I could be wrong. Still, you've read them so that shouldn't be an issue.

And yes, the series does get much better (and crazier) from book 3 onwards. Although I enjoyed the first two *shrugs* Not as good, sure, but not bad.

As for the not killing thing...it's really a combination of Butcher not having given much thought to it as a series, Dresden being (comparatively) innocent at that stage, and the small matter in Storm Front at least of the big guy with a sword determined to cut him in two should he screw up. Little things like that.

Lyndon Eye
09-21-2010, 12:02 PM
*Rant Ahead*

Okay folks, I've recently begun reading this series in earnest and just finished up the second book. However, I find myself asking, "why does DLP love this series so much?" It doesn't mesh with me.


Dude. Chill. Just because it's mainstream DLP doesn't mean it's objectively amazing (heck, incest is nearly mainstream here...). If the series isn't to your taste, then move on. You have different preferences - that doesn't make you a bad person. :rolleyes:

Jon
09-21-2010, 01:14 PM
Dude. Chill. Just because it's mainstream DLP doesn't mean it's objectively amazing (heck, incest is nearly mainstream here...). If the series isn't to your taste, then move on. You have different preferences - that doesn't make you a bad person. :rolleyes:

I keelz j00. :facepalm

Palindrome
09-21-2010, 02:48 PM
My own bit of DLP blasphemy: For me the bigger disappointment was the last book, Changes, which essentially shark-jumps the series into who-knows-what after I'd invested in reading a dozen or so books. It's not even good writing at that--too much happens too fast, leaving the reader as shell-shocked as the main character (yeah, I recognize that this was intentional, but not everything in an author's creative vision actually works when put into print).

I agree with this: Changes was actually one of my least favourite of the books. At many points in the story it felt like bad things were happening to Dresden simply for the sake of bad things happening - the blue beetle, for instance. And this and other things were essentially skimmed over and tossed aside within a few paragraphs. It felt like there was little reason to it other than to screw Dresden over.

Anyway, Howdy: I felt much the same way about the first two books. I disliked them so much that I left off reading them for a year and didn't even bother reading the third at all, but I can say that picking up the fourth book after that was pretty damn awesome. The fifth book and onwards are even better than the fourth, and depending on your viewpoint the most recent book was either one of the best or one of the worst.

So yeah. I hated the first too. Murphy's stupidity was one of the most horrible plot devices I've ever read, and their interactions made me pretty much want to throw the book across the room. Give reading the later ones a try, though; you won't regret it.

Howdy
09-21-2010, 03:46 PM
@Howdy: Had you listened to the recommendations on here, you'd have heard repeatedly that the first DF books are weak and amateurish. Many of us have stated we were disenchanted with the series until getting farther along. The books after around book 3-4 are good, though still formulaic at times. Take some time with them, don't read them back-to-back, and you'll enjoy them more.

In my defense I've tried to avoid this subforum for fear of running into spoilers. Though saying not to read the series back to back isn't exactly a rave review of the thing...


Anyways, thank you all for your responses. I'll soldier on through book 3 before making a decision on whether or not to abandon the series.

Fiat
09-21-2010, 05:04 PM
@Howdy: Listen to what LittleChicago said. He's Jim Butcher in disguise, and we all know it.

@Pers: I personally like Changes, but I know what you mean. It's a massive change from the standard series format, and it was...different. Whether it's good different or bad different is subjective. You could tell from the title that it was going to be different; every other one is two words, both the same length.

The next one resumes the original naming system, and I assume it will probably follow a format similar to the previous books. I hope.

CheddarTrek
09-21-2010, 05:38 PM
Everyone else has said this better than I can probably, but yeah. They get better.

Personally I did enjoy the first few books, but I didn't think that they were amazing. They were just something fun to read while travelling or whatever.

It wasn't until Book 5 that I thought they picked up. Never figured out why people liked Book 4 so much since it's one of my least favorites. From there on out though I was all about having to have the next one in the series ASAP.

The DarIm
09-21-2010, 06:07 PM
To be honest, I've read till book 9 and I still don't like the series. It did pick up a little after #3 but I literally couldn't bring myself to read farther than chapter 3 of White Night. I don't like Murphy, which I could ignore and read on, but I don't like Dresden either. I tried to read it again when I heard the glowing reviews for Changes here, but I couldn't.

It's all about personal preferences. Hell I loved his Codex Alera until Book 5 and Cursor's Fury is one of my most favorite books ever, but I hated Princeps' Fury and I haven't been able to read that either.

Othalan
09-22-2010, 06:26 AM
It's not even good writing at that--too much happens too fast, leaving the reader as shell-shocked as the main character (yeah, I recognize that this was intentional, but not everything in an author's creative vision actually works when put into print).

Really? I actually liked that aspect of it. I certainly wouldn't want the rest of the series to imitate that style, but it seemed to me to be one gigantic climax for several major plot arcs. Of course, I'd gotten that impression from all the reviews I'd read here beforehand, which really colored my view of the book when I actually read it. Maybe approaching it from that angle, expecting it to be a wild and hectic diversion from Butcher's usual style, made it a more enjoyable read.

DarthBill
09-22-2010, 02:23 PM
Really? I actually liked that aspect of it. I certainly wouldn't want the rest of the series to imitate that style, but it seemed to me to be one gigantic climax for several major plot arcs. Of course, I'd gotten that impression from all the reviews I'd read here beforehand, which really colored my view of the book when I actually read it. Maybe approaching it from that angle, expecting it to be a wild and hectic diversion from Butcher's usual style, made it a more enjoyable read.

QFT

Also, you can just imagine how frustrated he would be afterwards. One long shitty day, capped with Murphy and death induced blue-balls.

Silens Cursor
09-22-2010, 02:39 PM
Maybe it was just me, but I really didn't mind the first two books at all. Dresden was a new character, he was genuinely interesting, and the story was engaging, introducing us to a vast new world. Murphy... eh, I don't understand the hate. She's not really much of a well-defined character, IMO - I'm able to ignore her pretty well. She's a hell of a lot better than Hermione, that's for damn sure - or Elaine, for that matter.

As for the rest of the series... well, Grave Peril was really good, but I really didn't like Summer Knight at all. The entire story just annoyed the hell out of me. It wasn't until Death Masks that I started really liking the story. After that... well, Blood Rites was entertaining, Dead Beat was unbelievably awesome in so many ways, Proven Guilty was fantastic (and is also incredibly underrated, I might add - why the fuck is that?), and White Night was... well, it didn't start well, but it got good. Then after that, Small Favor and Turn Coat both rocked. Granted, I haven't read Changes yet (I'm waiting for soft-cover), and I'm more than a little concerned about the story, but it won't be terrible, I don't think...

But yeah, Howdy, keep reading the stories. I don't blame you if you don't like Summer Knight (Elaine sucks), but the series does get good.

Oz
09-22-2010, 04:37 PM
~faggy snip

Because Naruto is the pinnacle of character development and well thought out plots. :facepalm

Howdy
09-22-2010, 06:56 PM
Because Naruto is the pinnacle of character development and well thought out plots. :facepalm

lol

Did I piss in your cornflakes, Oz?

Seratin
09-22-2010, 08:24 PM
You pissed in everyone's cornflakes, Howdy. By creating a thread giving out about a series of books when you haven't even listened to the most common tip shouted around here. Get past the first two books.

Lamora
09-23-2010, 11:41 AM
Why is Dresden Files good?

Find me one, just one other series where a wizard rides a motherfucking zombie dinosaur.

/thread

Perspicacity
09-23-2010, 11:49 AM
True, though it should be noted that Mark E. Rogers's Samurai Cat series features Nazi Tyrannosaurs from Hell (literally) in Samurai Cat Goes to Hell.

Miaowara Tomokato (Samurai Cat) is made of awesome. At one point, he defeats an entire horde of Mongol raiders using a tube of toothpaste.

Sol
09-23-2010, 04:28 PM
lol

Did I piss in your cornflakes, Oz?

I was thinking the exact same thing, actually.

Scrib
09-23-2010, 05:38 PM
I didn't really mind them Murphy was a bitch but I bore through it. The series did get extremely better in the third book and just kept going.


Dresden's complete aversion to kill anyone, even psycho mass-murderers, is ridiculous. He whines about how much he sacrifices for everyone yet tainting his soul just a little is too much of a sacrifice? Bullshit. He doesn't have to kill people with magic in order to kill them, if that's the hang-up. But no, every life is a precious snowflake to him - fuck the White Council who won't hesitate to kill anyone and anything that sneezes wrong.

I think you seriously underestimate the scare factor of wizards decades to centuries your senior seizing you after you killed a supposedly strong warden blindfolding you, sentencing you a death and having a scary-ass motherfucker who must be twice your age chase you around with a magical sword. And this happened when he was sixteen and the fear just kept getting reinforced.

Sol
09-23-2010, 08:27 PM
Morgan was over 3 times Dresden's age, the strongest Warden on the Council, and zealously convinced that Dresden would go dark and needed to die. I'd be scared too.

iLost
09-23-2010, 08:40 PM
Okay Howdy, what makes the books readable, for me at least, is they all have moments of pure awesome. Harry riding the Dino being one. I read them for the man's imagination, Harry v. All the Denarians anyone? The situations he gets in, fighting off a demon while Susan wants to bone him in the first book comes to mind. All point to great moments throughout the story.

The fact that the later books build on the world and expand it, Denarians, the Fae, the werewolves, etc. is why I keep reading.

If the characterizations, thin plot-coupons, and average writing are your problems with the series then I don't think you'll enjoy the rest.

However, if Harry's own character bugs you, he does change subtly throughout the stories, which, to me, is the one facet of characterization Butcher got right.

Sokohn1
10-09-2010, 04:14 AM
I love the series, but really the first two books are pretty bad. I only got through the the first book because I got it as an audiobook for a long plane ride, and I have actually never finished the second one.

But trust me, it gets so much better once you get to the third one and keeps improving from there.

aty
10-09-2010, 07:50 PM
Lmao ur doubting the stroy in Dresden when your a big fan of Naruto.

Red
10-09-2010, 08:12 PM
Lmao ur doubting the stroy in Dresden when your a big fan of Naruto.
I don't even...:facepalm

Perspicacity
10-09-2010, 08:15 PM
Lmao ur doubting the stroy in Dresden when your a big fan of Naruto.

Please vacate (or better, defenestrate) yourself, you illiterate mental pygmy.

Palindrome
10-09-2010, 08:32 PM
Lmao ur doubting the stroy in Dresden when your a big fan of Naruto.

Ten posts over two years. That's ten posts too many.

Midknight
10-09-2010, 08:33 PM
Was there ever any thread that called the first couple of books good? Hell the only reason I have them is they came bundled in an omnibus version with 3 and 4. Fuck he did book 1 and part of 2 as a class exercise, and even then it's still arguably better then a great number of books out.

The graphic novel version of 1 is pure win though.

Howdy
10-10-2010, 04:40 AM
Well since people seemingly won't let this thread die, I'll go ahead and say that I have now read book 3 and about half of four, and found that there was a plot for this series.

It's gotten much better, so thank you for encouraging me to continue (though I'm still mildly disgusted with Harry's "oh no, it's all my fault" attitude).

Fiat
10-10-2010, 04:44 AM
It's gotten much better, so thank you for encouraging me to continue (though I'm still mildly disgusted with Harry's "oh no, it's all my fault" attitude).He gets over it and rapes the world six and a half books from where you currently are.

Eidolonic
10-10-2010, 05:24 AM
It's gotten much better, so thank you for encouraging me to continue (though I'm still mildly disgusted with Harry's "oh no, it's all my fault" attitude).

I'd left this thread open in another tab, and when I got back to it, I saw this line, and was pretty sure it was about a post-OotP Harry Potter fanfiction.

A bit more on-topic: I was where you are, once. Stopped reading the novels after the first two, because I just...didn't care for them much. Liked the premise, and that was about it. Friends suggested I keep pushing through it (and lent me the books, which helped), and I did. It picked up sharply in the third book, and continued to get better.

Dresden doesn't keep that attitude forever, thank goodness. I guess at least one author figured out this 'character development' concept.

CheddarTrek
10-10-2010, 05:40 AM
Hah, yeah, in an effort to get a good friend of mine into the books I bought him a box set for his birthday. He'll read them sooner or later and eventually get to the good ones and continue by himself.

Then again, I consider the first two books to be "good." They aren't awesome or amazing, but they were good. Worth the time to read while travelling and whatnot.

I put the third and fourth books on the same level though. For a lot of people that's where they pick up, but personally I think Summer Knight (Book4) is my least favorite of the series.

Book 5 is where it started up for me. And Howdy, yeah, people aren't letting this thread die but personally I enjoy it. It's a place to add some general reactions to the series that aren't all glowing and full of praise.

Actually, shit, I probably posted half of that earlier. Oh well.

Why is Summer Knight so popular as a "this is where it got good" book anyway? I found it to be so weak with Elaine and Aurora showing up for it, and I hate those bitches in my books.

Innomine
10-10-2010, 08:17 AM
Cheddar, I gotta say that I agree with your assessment on Summer Knight. I mean, it was a bit better than the first three, but not that much better. Book 5 and 6 were however where the huge difference came into play.

LittleChicago
10-10-2010, 12:21 PM
Oddly enough, the first time I read through the series, I skipped books 4 and 9 - yes, the only ones with Elaine - entirely by accident, because I couldn't find them. That being said, I like Elaine now. Though, for the life of me, I could not tell you exactly why.

And I still consider book 2 the weakest of the entire series.

Midknight
10-10-2010, 12:28 PM
Well since people seemingly won't let this thread die, I'll go ahead and say that I have now read book 3 and about half of four, and found that there was a plot for this series.

It's gotten much better, so thank you for encouraging me to continue (though I'm still mildly disgusted with Harry's "oh no, it's all my fault" attitude).

It pisses me off how he constantly holds back as well. But the last few books he ain't fucking around anymore. It's on, I wish he'd of let loose like that earlier.

Aekiel
10-10-2010, 06:27 PM
It pisses me off how he constantly holds back as well. But the last few books he ain't fucking around anymore. It's on, I wish he'd of let loose like that earlier.

It's not so much that he holds back as he just wasn't capable of laying waste to shit like he could in the latter books in the series.

He fully let rip once in Grave Peril (possibly casting his death curse in the process), reanimated a zombie dinosaur in Dead Beat, fought Über-Ghouls + Cowl in White Night, let rip against the Denarians in Small Favor, absolutely owned in Turn Coat and... well, Changes happened.

Before Dead Beat he didn't really have the power or skill to really do the sort of damage we see later on, especially since he hadn't acquired his own personal assistant.

Midknight
10-11-2010, 10:54 PM
Aekiel, he still holds back quite a bit from what he's fully capable of. He does say several times "if the council only knew" sort of stuff. He's nowhere near maxed, and he does it to himself with limitations. His power changes quite a bit true, but he's still holding back out of fear of going too far.

I like him best when he's against stuff he has no problem wiping out, that's the best reading for me.

The Berkeley Hunt
10-12-2010, 02:30 AM
Unlike every one else ever, I didn't read Dresden Files from book one.
I picked up Turn Coat from my local library after reading the blurb. Turn Coat is probably my favourite in the series, and its the only one I actually own, but when I went back and read books 1 and 2, I liked them.
Maybe its because I understood a lot of what was going on already, or I was just invested in the series, but they seemed pretty good. The books do ramp up though, and the various powerups and alliances Harry makes definitely makes him a way more badass character later on.
When does Ghost Story come out though? I read Changes a while back, but it can't be too long...right?

Agayek
10-12-2010, 02:44 AM
Ghost Story is slated to come out in late March 2011.

Midknight
10-12-2010, 03:00 AM
Side Jobs 10/26/10

Ghost Story 2011
Faerie Queens 2012

GS sounds like it's going to be lamer then he's been doing, hopefully not.

Celestin
10-12-2010, 03:10 AM
Faerie Queens 2012


Is that an official title?

Midknight
10-12-2010, 03:13 AM
Dunno, was on wikipedia, and I remember reading it on Butcher's forum so I didnt question it.