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JohnThePyro
03-01-2011, 05:41 PM
Preemptive thread is preemptive.

Also, the Ghost Stories sample chapters are out. Go read nao (http://us.penguingroup.com/static/pages/extras/ghoststory/index.html).

Edit: I shouldn't try to write after no sleep for two days. Spelling fix'd.

Fimbulvintr
03-01-2011, 06:29 PM
Just read the chapter, and I've got to say, the whole thing seems really unfair. Also, July? FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!

w1lliam
03-01-2011, 06:52 PM
Well thats a long fucking wait.

Now on to the real dilemma, which book to read, The Crippled God or The Wiseman's Fear. Both of which arrived today, TCG arrived 2 days late!

CheddarTrek
03-01-2011, 09:25 PM
Interesting chapter for sure. As usual Butcher jumps right into something and catches the reader's attention. Interesting how they are harping on how Dresden is actually dead and not something else. I had thought that maybe he somehow avoided dying completely, but this is more interesting.

The Wizard
03-02-2011, 05:58 AM
omg CARMICHAEL! 8D

CheddarTrek
03-02-2011, 01:39 PM
Oz if that surprises you did you miss the end of this thread (http://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=17386&page=2)? Spoiler post three from the bottom on page 2.

Also, YEAH! @ what Oz said.

Aekiel
03-03-2011, 10:54 AM
First dibs on Murphy's dad being the Captain.

CheddarTrek
03-03-2011, 01:42 PM
First dibs on Murphy's dad being the Captain.
What do you mean first dibs? It was posted weeks ago in the thread I linked in my last post. XD

Aekiel
03-03-2011, 01:46 PM
Do'h! Didn't click the link, thought I'd be first in this thread.

Jamie Brooks
03-03-2011, 02:15 PM
Theres also a few other things that have been hinted at for those that want to know.

The demonreach mystery will be resolved at the end. Along with Harry's resurrection.

There will be faeries in this book. I dont know if they can see the dead. It was a tweet about Jim having problems with faeries in chapter 34. Could he be back in his body by then?

Also next book is called Winter Knight.

Zed
03-03-2011, 08:02 PM
Squee~

I'm thinking that there's some Outsider involvement in Harry's murder, what with the "breaking the rules" in his death and all that. Also seems like the kind of thing the Inbetween Death cops would be involved in, with an Angel on staff and the general nature of their existence and the place they inhabit.

Aekiel
03-04-2011, 08:53 AM
Using Outsiders doesn't really seem like cheating to me though, especially when he was killed by a sniper. I'm thinking more Sixth Law than Seventh. I think they gazed into the future in order to know when Harry would be vulnerable enough to kill without a chance of defending himself.

Brown
03-05-2011, 11:55 PM
"You're dead, son. Cheer is contraindicated."

I liked how even a dead guy was carefully vague about the afterlife, and it was stated that Harry was only seeing what he was allowed to see.

Such a great first chapter. Can't wait to see how Harry pulls off his greatest trick ever, without anything up his sleeves.

The Fine Balance
03-06-2011, 02:42 AM
1) Learned a couple of new words.
2) Being dead might absolve him of carrying out a certain bargain made at the end of the last book. I don't yet know how I feel about that.
3) Status of Lash, now? He doesn't have his physical body, but he still retains himself, which suggests that Butcher is some sort of Cartesian dualist, but Lash was anchored to his physical brain, so her status now is still up in the air. And that is awesome.
4) Such an awesome freakin' chapter.

Aekiel
03-06-2011, 03:34 AM
Lash was also using his soul as a power source, if you'll remember, so her status is even more up in the air than before.

Ryuugi Shi
03-06-2011, 04:11 AM
2) Being dead might absolve him of carrying out a certain bargain made at the end of the last book. I don't yet know how I feel about that.


Jim has stated that death is not enough to get out of a bargain with Mab, if that's what you mean.

Psychotic Cat
03-06-2011, 07:12 AM
Using Outsiders doesn't really seem like cheating to me though, especially when he was killed by a sniper. I'm thinking more Sixth Law than Seventh. I think they gazed into the future in order to know when Harry would be vulnerable enough to kill without a chance of defending himself.

I'm not really sure those are the laws they're talking about. I think it's more like how the bad guys were breaking the rules when Lucifer was the one powering up the big anti-magic trap for Ivy and so in response Uriel got to bend the rules by giving Harry soulfire. My guess is down bellow broke the rules in just how much they can interfere in order to kill Harry, so he gets the rules on the dead staying dead bent a little to balance it back out. Just my idea based on Uriels quote in small favor.

“You gotta think that maybe there’s a matter of balance, here,” he said. “Maybe one archangel invested
his strength in this situation overtly and immediately. Maybe another one was just quieter about it.
Thinking long-term. Maybe he already gave you a hand.”

Aekiel
03-06-2011, 02:35 PM
Could be, though through Small Favor it wasn't so much said that Lucifer cheated as much as he decided to throw his power in when it would most benefit his side. War in the Dresdenverse may be governed by the Accords, but breaking them doesn't mean you're cheating. It just means you risk pissing off Mab if you do.

Celestin
04-04-2011, 08:26 AM
I didn't want to start a new thread for this and I don't think anyone posted this already - book 14 will be called Cold Days. If Butcher is telling the truth it will come out before this year ends.

Yeah. :)

Muttering Condolences
04-04-2011, 09:11 AM
JB's twitter says GS is done and Book 14 id due before the end of the year. Yay!

Portus
04-04-2011, 09:19 AM
Wait. Two in one year? I haven't followed TDF since the beginning so I don't know the usual spacing out of the books, but this, to me, implies that Ghost Story might be filler, or more set-up for the next book.

Thoughts?

Muttering Condolences
04-04-2011, 09:22 AM
I dunno. the first chapter has Harry dealign with ghosts, spirits, and guardian angles and being charged with SPOILER solving his own murder.

Doesn't seem like a filler book to me.

However, if the title of the next one is indeed Cold Hands, perhaps all the discussion about Harry's status as the Winter Knight being revoked has been misguided.

BsuperB
04-04-2011, 09:39 AM
I... don't like this. Two books in a year? Somehow I get the feeling that we'll either see a dip in quality, or that 'Ghost Stories' is going to be shorter than we're used to from Butcher in regards to Dresden.

Still, Cold Hands... plenty of speculation I guess. Might be about Dresden as the Winter Knight, following his duties, mayhaps he's still just dead & trying to find his way back again, after all, we don't exactly know what happens in Ghost Stories outside of the fact he has to save 3 of his friends from peril, so, we might not even see a return to physical form.

I'm gonna remain skeptical about this untill Ghost Stories is out & I've read it, thus far not overly encouraged by this move from Butcher, it seems like he's almost trying to get the Dresden Files out the way to move onto other projects, or simply wants to be done with the series as a whole.

Muttering Condolences
04-04-2011, 10:04 AM
Well JB's twitter said GS is 48 chapters at least. Generally when Butcher writes that long, it's gonna be epic.

MattSilver
04-04-2011, 10:12 AM
I'm not all that worried. Call it positivity, call it the fact that I doubt Cold Days will be out by the end of the year, or maybe call it me thinking that maybe Jim's having a good streak and Cold Days will come easier to him than Ghost Story (I figure that Cold Days is a bit of a fae-heavy book, and maybe several Chekhov Guns he's set up over the years are going to start firing spectacularly), but there it is. I'm looking forward to both books, either way.

However, if the title of the next one is indeed Cold Hands, perhaps all the discussion about Harry's status as the Winter Knight being revoked has been misguided.

Jim's said as much before, something along the lines of "being dead doesn't get you out of a deal with Mab". Oh, and Cold Days. Where'd the "Hands" come from suddenly?

Muttering Condolences
04-04-2011, 10:16 AM
Whoops, my mistake. Read an earlier post wrong. Cold Days it is.

Midknight
04-04-2011, 03:00 PM
... You all worrying about the sudden spacing in of the books do realize the man was writing a totally different universe right alongside Dresden right? Codex is what the man threw together in his spare time from Dresden, what the fuck can he do now that he's focused totally on Dresden?

Muttering Condolences
04-04-2011, 04:48 PM
... You all worrying about the sudden spacing in of the books do realize the man was writing a totally different universe right alongside Dresden right? Codex is what the man threw together in his spare time from Dresden, what the fuck can he do now that he's focused totally on Dresden?

......Awesome.

Aekiel
04-04-2011, 05:39 PM
Awesome news, now we just have to wait for July to hit to get us some of that Ghost Story (It's not Ghost Stories, this thread is full of misspellings >_>).

Zennith
04-05-2011, 01:01 AM
Man, I'ma need to go back and reread the whole series before Ghost Story comes out. That, and actually start posting my post-changes fic that I was working on...

Goreshade
04-05-2011, 03:59 AM
I was kind of hoping to see another series out of Butcher, since he has some interesting ideas. However two books for Dresden Files is great, it's my favorite series still going right now. (Though we'll have to see if it still is after I read Wise Man's Fear)

Blazzano
04-05-2011, 12:57 PM
Are we sure that he means that Cold Days is coming out before the end of the year, or merely that it's due to be handed in to the publisher by then?

I can't quite tell which it is from the Tweet. But given the usual editing/printing/distributing time, I lean toward it coming out in '12. Possibly early '12, but just as likely the typical spring release.

Midknight
04-05-2011, 06:55 PM
I was kind of hoping to see another series out of Butcher, since he has some interesting ideas. However two books for Dresden Files is great, it's my favorite series still going right now. (Though we'll have to see if it still is after I read Wise Man's Fear)

He's supposed to start working a new series sometime next year if I remember right, been awhile since I've been to his forums.

Aekiel
04-05-2011, 08:32 PM
Just an odd thought I had earlier that has absolutely nothing to do with Ghost Story, but is amusing anyway.

Magog the Denarian uses brute force backed up by magic to make himself practically unstoppable in a charge.

Magog = The Juggernaut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut_%28comics%29).

Replay the conversation between Magog and the Eldest Gruff in your head, right now.

You cannot unhear it!

Red Aviary
04-06-2011, 09:40 AM
Oh, and Cold Days. Where'd the "Hands" come from suddenly?

A Song of Ice and Fire? *shrugs*

Speaking of which... two new Dresdens, plus A Dance With Dragons finally coming out? :awesome

CheddarTrek
04-22-2011, 10:53 PM
I had some kind of weird-ass nightmare in which Butcher's next 2 books (Ghost Story included) were both for his new series about a pretty boy in the Wild West and that the next Dresden book wouldn't be for another year at least.

In my mind DLP is clearly to blame for this but I can't put my finger on why.

Muttering Condolences
04-23-2011, 12:59 PM
Are we sure that he means that Cold Days is coming out before the end of the year, or merely that it's due to be handed in to the publisher by then?

I can't quite tell which it is from the Tweet. But given the usual editing/printing/distributing time, I lean toward it coming out in '12. Possibly early '12, but just as likely the typical spring release.

I suspect we will see an early 2012 release date for CD. It's taking 3-4 months from Butcher finishing GS to publication, so I figure we could see CD as early as Jan-Feb 2012.

EthyleneGlycol
04-25-2011, 01:12 AM
Fitting it should be released in the middle of winter, don't you think? There'll be plenty of cold days to read Cold Days. >_>

Brown
04-25-2011, 08:11 AM
Except for the half of the world where it will be mind-bogglingly hot...

But that's holidays, so it's still good.

Mathias
04-26-2011, 05:22 AM
So I recently read through all of the books currently out in the course of like 3 weeks, but just looking at the usual timing of his releases, I don't think that a late '11 or early '12 release is unreasonable for Cold Days. First, we have had a long string of April releases, going all the way back to WN, and then PG and DB were May releases. Also, Jim stated that he struggled with Ghost Story and had to push it back until July. Is it at all possible that it was pushed back because he was setting up for the next book(s)? Trying to make it continuous or all that fun stuff? Keep in mind, Jim said he wanted 20 or so novels followed by the Big Apocalypse Trilogy, and this will be book 13, so about halfway through the series.

CheddarTrek
04-26-2011, 06:36 AM
Also keep in mind something else mentioned earlier in this thread -- up until the last year or so, Butcher was writing 2 different series concurrently (Dresden and Codex Alera). Now he's only dealing with a single series until he starts a new one, which is one of the reasons people think the estimates might be correct.