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Ranger's Apprentice by John Flanagan

Discussion in 'Books and Anime Discussion' started by Ched, Jun 6, 2011.

  1. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Ranger's Apprentice by John Flanagan (currently 10 books)

    Just read the first book of this series today. I was pretty impressed with it for a children's series -- far better than those Pendragon books I tried a while back anyway (not impressed there) -- and it might be the best series of books for children/YA that I've read since Harry Potter (Warriors, about the cats, was good too -- the first 6 books anyway). Though granted the number of them that I've tried since DH came out has been rather small, and I've only made it through one of these, so we'll see. I can't compare to Percy Jackson as those are still on my reading list for later.

    The protagonist, Will, is refreshing. He isn't overly witty, hilarious, brilliant, or ridiculously lucky. He doesn't seem to be abnormally skilled at anything, but he is believably skilled at various things and has natural talent for a few others. His primary talents seem to involve movement or stealth -- he climbs remarkably well, naturally moves through shadows when he is trying not to be seen, and had good instincts for horsemanship. He also isn't afraid to ask questions and actively seek answers if he feels he needs them. To me he just seemed like a realistic, if above average, 15-year old given the way his background was represented.

    I'll admit that a lot of times what's coming next is fairly transparent (the book was laden with "meaningful looks" and whatnot), but it didn't bother me as much as I would have expected. It also explains things sometimes that I'd rather were left to pick up on as context clues (for instance, when two of the characters form a real friendship over a shared dangerous experience -- think 'Troll in Bathroom' -- it's outright explained that it was a significant moment and that it would be a special friendship, etc.), but I think the target age is 9-12, so again, I have to keep that in mind. There's also some, well, I guess aboveboard awesomeness going on (horses are a little too well trained to be believable, etc.).

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    Anyone else given these books a go? I'll be checking the later ones out of the library the next time I go by.
     
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  2. gullibleoats

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    I love this series. I've read till book 5 or 6? Will is pretty independent, and Halt doesn't really chaperone him so much. There's enough action for it to be interesting, but at some points it reminds me of Angie Sage's Septimus Heap series, with the scope and childishness of the villains.
     
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    I read these with my youngest starting a few years ago and they are phenomenally bland. The dialog is stiff. The story is also utterly predictable. The fact that all of the countries populating the world are just stereotypes of real world European nations during the Middle Ages also rankled. I would say putting this in the 9-12 age range is pretty generous, as my son dropped them in favor of the Hobbit already.
     
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    I read the second book as well and I'm beginning to see where Sol is coming from. I felt the quality went down from the first book in this one for sure. More of the characters seem like caricatures than they did before, to the point that I couldn't suspend my disbelief.

    An example would be when Alyss and Halt go to visit that dude who didn't want to provide men for the war -- he splutters about everything, acts like a petulant child, and seems completely useless despite a position in the world that suggests he'd at least be able to manage the basic appearance of competence.

    I didn't start to enjoy reading until I was 13 when I read my first grown-up novel. Prior to that I'd read things like Goosebumps every so often but the joy of reading wasn't there. So I can't really say whether or not I'd have enjoyed this in the right age range.

    I'm going to try to at least the third or fourth book, as I have those on hand, but unless the author manages to fix some of the more childish tendencies of the book I might drop it at that point. But I'm still tempted to say that it's a good series to give a youngster so long as they aren't advanced enough to be reading on another level of quality yet.
     
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    I just felt like everything that happened was the worst this or the most shocking that, every single book. It happens in alot of books I feel anymore, and it irks me. At some point you can't find a more powerful mage or more horrifying murder or more beautiful valley. But that's a commentary on alot of writing today. As previously stated, it's also pretty stereotypical at points, but the average children's book isn't going to have the deepest plot or most awe inspiring characters. Sometimes you just have to take it for what it's worth; a wash and rinsed, tried and true fantasy novel for a younger generation.
     
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    I understand and, to an extent, agree with your point. However, I also feel as if its a bit of a cop out. Children are often highly underestimated as far as writing and stories go. There are numerous novels that do an excellent job of introducing tykes to the more subtle intricacies of writing. I read Watership Down as a young'n and loved it. Ditto with the Hobbit. Sure those don't have the most involved or fleshed out characters and plots, but they are certainly more so than Goosebumps or Animorphs or Ranger's Apprentice. My sons love the Percy Jackson novels, and so do I. Same with Harry Potter (well, sort of). Good stories are good stories regardless of who they are written for.
     
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    I did read a few more and, while the first novel continues to strike me as relatively strong, the others do not. I decided to give Percy Jackson a go instead afterwards. I think I might also re-read the first series of Warriors books -- I really did like the first set of 6 (though the later sets of 6 I did not enjoy nearly as much).
     
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    I'll say for my money, the best children's books (though they may be a bit of a young adult series) is the Bartimaeus Trilogy. Fun characters and strong plots through most of the books with a great tragic ending that throws a young reader for a loop.
     
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    Love that series, so I'll second the notion. Since this has now turned into great children's books, I'll also mention the Young Wizards series, and the His Dark Materials series.
     
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    I didn't like His Dark Materials. Or, more specifically, I didn't like the second two (the first one was great). I felt like the author quit bothering to write an engaging story and decided to get on a soap box instead.

    I now have Percy Jackson and Bartimaeus on my list. I enjoyed Redwall as a child, but only some of them (The Long Patrol and Martin the Warrior were great, but a lot of the others I felt were contrived, even as a child). I read Warriors (the books about the clans of cats living the forest) as an adult and, as I've said, enjoyed the first/original series of 6 books starring Rusty/Firepaw/Firetail/Firestar but wasn't as impressed with sequels.

    Nothing else really comes to mind. As a child one of my favorite children's books was "Adam of the Road" which I read more than once. I enjoyed "The Giver" in junior high and continue to think that's a great book. I didn't like the Hobbit the first time I read it but the second time, a couple years later, I did.
     
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    Did not particularly enjoy Bartimaeus, but it's probably more personal tastes. If you're looking specifically for YA and children's books try Inkheart, Fablehaven, Patterson's Maximum Ride books, Artemis Fowl, and Gaiman's The Graveyard Book.
     
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    Artemis Fowl and Max. Ride both decline in quality towards the middle of their series, but Max. pulls up the quality far better than Artemis Fowl in the more recent books. I personally enjoyed Artemis Fowl's first three books, but I often found that while it contained some exceptional twists it also fell flat in some aspects of characture and the third book's plot made me :facepalm at a few moments. The last three books have turned to a style that I do not personally enjoy, but it still is better quality than the third book and finally gave the shippers some fuel for their rants.
     
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    I read 2 or 3 of the Artemis Fowl books and don't remember being particularly impressed, though I didn't dislike them either.

    Is Maximum Ride the ones about the kids with wings? Where they'd been stolen at a young age and altered somehow and they can fly, or something? I read one of those if so, but I don't remember much about it. I think I had expected the book to be an adult novel (b/c of the author) so I went into it with the wrong expectations.
     
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