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SmileOfTheKill
01-12-2012, 11:07 PM
Evil Grimoire has been found. You must stop/use/steal this Grimoire? ARE YOU UP TO THE CHALLENGE?

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1051/6a00d8341c88b453ef00e55.jpg

Days/Nights changes at 10PM Eastern time. The first day is 48 hours. You are required to post once in your QT to state you are alive or you will be replaced during the Night Phase. All future Day/Nights will be 24 hours each. All night calculations are done one hour before daytime. No actions during this time will be counted.

Rules and Roles found here! (https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=21054)

Clarification to the Rules added after the game started

For the Seduction Power,
* The taint is applied to the Red King and the Erlking, but they are not disabled nor do they die at the end of the seduction.

For taints in general,
* All players with the ability to taint will know if the taint has been purged or not. They just need to ask to know the status on their taints.

For the Knights and the Immunity to the coin tain,
"* Any coin taint on Knights is purged off the next night."

IF YOU DID NOT GET A PM TELL ME.

Player List:
1. Riley (The Original)
2. Krogan (Flavorful)
3. Lungs
4. Zennith
5. Ashaya
6. Kalas
7. Castiel
8. Aekiel
9. Xantam Uncle Stojil
10. Aziraphale Vesvius
11. Gambit Lindsey
12. jwlk
13. Schrodinger
14. Jon
15. coleam
16. klackerz
17. Moridin
18. Zenzao
19. Evan Tide
20. dhulli
21. Big Z
22. Fenraellis
23. Nemrut LochNess
24. Eternity Lost
25. Seratin
26. NobelFiction
27. Snowflake
28. Sacrifice
29. guljons

Alternates:
1. Aziraphale
2. Nemrut
3. Xantam
4. Gambit
5.

Ash
01-12-2012, 11:21 PM
LET THE GAMES BEGIN. ALSO, GOOD NIGHT, MY SWEET MAFIA PLAYING AMIGOS.

Uncle Stojil
01-12-2012, 11:29 PM
Good luck, everyone. Town/we is/are definitely gonna need it, this time.

Aekiel
01-12-2012, 11:30 PM
And here we go again. I think this is the fifth game I'm participating in, now.

Ash
01-12-2012, 11:32 PM
And here we go again. I think this is the fifth game I'm participating in, now.

Actually, it's your 10th if you count Gotham.

Schrodinger
01-12-2012, 11:36 PM
Observing the previous game was pretty awesome, I'm looking forward to playing this time.

Aekiel
01-12-2012, 11:39 PM
Actually, it's your 10th if you count Gotham.

I meant at this very moment. Though no, half of them have finished now.

Fuck this cold.

Zennith
01-12-2012, 11:59 PM
Should be a fun game, glhf all.

Lungs
01-13-2012, 12:04 AM
Yeah. I'm so glad that this has been retooled (hopefully properly).

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 12:04 AM
Good luck and may we all steamroll scum like that last Dresden game.

<- Still hating the zero scum QT.

Uncle Stojil
01-13-2012, 12:06 AM
Good luck and may we all steamroll scum like that last Dresden game.

<- Still hating the zero scum QT.

Bold mine.

Don't make me metagame, Evan, please. I hate it.

Jon
01-13-2012, 01:16 AM
Let's lynch Riley. :awesome

No but really. Was that a derpy derp moment or did you just fuck yourself, Evan?

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 01:36 AM
Let's see:

What was the math again?

16 vs 3 vs 3 vs 3 vs 2 vs 1

Someone's dieing, and it's most likely a scum from all the NKs being thrown around every night and how all the scum want to off each other as well as the town.

And really,out of everything that the bandwagon starts off on in this round, it's back to the "Implied we = auto-scum again"?

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And frankly, I'm kind of bored right now since this game started so late and most of the major posters in this one are active earlier than this or come on in like, 4~ hours.

No real vote on first day either, since there's nothing to be fought on besides a random lynch, that's basically a shot in the dark. Personally, I'm again, waiting for lurkers and, most likely, going to vote for someone who doesn't post within the next 24 hours.

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Herpa derpa herpa derpa. Star Wars is kind of boring while waiting for PVP queue to pop....

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Hey Smile, can we do a mayor vote for shitz and giggles? No powers, just extra flavor, all for fun?

Snowflake
01-13-2012, 01:37 AM
Let's have a good game. :) Hope this game goes as well for the town as it did last time.

Zennith
01-13-2012, 01:38 AM
<- Still hating the zero scum QT.


You gotta understand what this looks like, right?

Eternity Lost
01-13-2012, 01:41 AM
Him being a fool.

If you read the rules, it says the scum teams all have group QT's.

What else could he be saying?

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 01:43 AM
You gotta understand, that my faction offed one of their own, on day 1, in the last Dresden mafia; and that Riley said he didn't replace Duke only because there were already so many votes against him, making it even more "OMFG WHY!?!?" sort of thing running through my head when I read that?

So yeah, I'm still kind of ticked about the lack of Scum QT from the last game.

P.S. I feel like I'm using the semi-colon wrong here.

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Yay! People! See, derping around DOES bring in posters.

:D

Schrodinger
01-13-2012, 01:46 AM
Anyone have any idea what evan tide is saying other than, "I'm scum"?

Eternity Lost
01-13-2012, 01:48 AM
We didn't kill him, we just lynched him without knowing he was our team. I'd have voted for him if I knew he was my team as he had so many votes on him.

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I think it's a town derp. If she was scum, she'd know they had a shared QT.

SmileOfTheKill
01-13-2012, 02:00 AM
Hey Smile, can we do a mayor vote for shitz and giggles? No powers, just extra flavor, all for fun?

If Jon you want. Someone else has to do the Mayor vote counting though.

jwlk
01-13-2012, 02:04 AM
Vote: Jon for mayor

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 02:21 AM
Demon Mayor Vote: Jon.

Speakers
01-13-2012, 02:33 AM
First day post and all. I'm all for lynching a lurker on day 1.

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I'm actually scared with all these small sized scum QT's. It makes it very hard to predict scum patterns.

NobelFiction
01-13-2012, 02:39 AM
I'll play along. Vote Mayor: Jon.
Then again maybe Evan Tide just wants to put his scumbuddy Jon in a position of power (figuratively speaking).
The best thing to do though is probably lynching a lurker like was done in the previous game - that worked out rather well IIRC.

Moridin
01-13-2012, 02:43 AM
With the exception of a few, though, most are prolific posters. Also, the smaller scum factions means that scum are less likely to get pinpointed as collaborating. Of course, there's still the scum instinct to lurk, so I guess we could rely on that. And it did work out nicely last game (if more by luck than not).

Snowflake
01-13-2012, 02:59 AM
The new and more powerful version of the scum scare me. >.<

Lynching a lurker is probably our best bet since it's Day 1.

LOL. Also- Vote Mayor: Jon.

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 03:03 AM
This is pretty much a veteran Mafia though, so will anyone be stupid enough to lurk on the first day?

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 03:09 AM
This is pretty much a veteran Mafia though

Stojil and I are on our second games, with Dresden 1 being our first....

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Are we considered vets due to our screwball lulz from last game?

Castiel
01-13-2012, 03:13 AM
Demon Mayor Vote: Jon

This will be fun. I need to read the roles again though.bbl

NobelFiction
01-13-2012, 03:18 AM
Well I'm pretty sure I ain't a vet and besides there's always someone how just forgets/doesn't have time/has hardware problems/personal business.

The 48h makes this less probable but I still say we get a non poster or a 1 post person.

klackerz
01-13-2012, 03:19 AM
Oh god, the game started this soon?

Anyway this is gonna be fun. And Lynching a lurker seems good to be.

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 03:31 AM
Well, this is going to be the most boring first day ever. :p

Speakers
01-13-2012, 03:33 AM
yeah, this game started way too soon. It'll be better when it kicks into gear but day 1 is always a drag.

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 03:34 AM
Mayor Vote:

Jon: jwlk, Aekiel, NobelFiction, Snowflake, Castiel

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Well, this is going to be the most boring first day ever. :p

Das vhy dar's da Mayar Vots.

Speakers
01-13-2012, 03:41 AM
Vote mayor: Ashaya :p

coleam
01-13-2012, 04:03 AM
Wait...I thought this wasn't supposed to start until tomorrow at 10 pm...

The sign-up thread did say the 13th, did it not?

And, if anyone cares, I'm hardly a veteran either. Only game I've played prior to this was the Werewolf Beginners' Cup. I did post a lot though.

Moridin
01-13-2012, 04:13 AM
Wait...I thought this wasn't supposed to start until tomorrow at 10 pm...

The sign-up thread did say the 13th, did it not?

And, if anyone cares, I'm hardly a veteran either. Only game I've played prior to this was the Werewolf Beginners' Cup. I did post a lot though.

Yeah, it's not exactly full of veterans, but there are enough around here that we need to be wary. Especially with the shared scum QT, they'd likely warn less experienced members against lurking as well, and push them to post more. Which is why, like I said, a lynch-the-lurkers strategy isn't exactly reliable, and might even be predicted and exploited by scum.

That said, the first day lynch is usually uninformed and random, on the slightest pretext (lol 'we'), so lynching lurkers is not really a bad idea for today, especially given how scum are predisposed to lurking.

Speakers
01-13-2012, 04:14 AM
eh, there's 29 players in the game. One of them is bound to not post.

Jon
01-13-2012, 04:15 AM
My beautiful and lovely horde of people who have voted for me.

BURN THE HERETIC.

I'm looking right at you dhulli.

=_=

Speakers
01-13-2012, 04:18 AM
The angelic Ashaya will smite your demon ass back to hell, Jon. ^_^

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 04:35 AM
dhulli just doing it for tits.

:awesome

Castiel
01-13-2012, 04:35 AM
Vote mayor: Ashaya :p

<insert comment about Ashaya not showing you her tits />

And Moridin is right, this game will be challenging.

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And ninja'ed by Evan. >_>

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 04:36 AM
It'll be fun though. I can already feel the tension building, and we haven't even gotten to the first argument yet. :D

Speakers
01-13-2012, 04:39 AM
Come on castiel. Vote for her. You of all people should recognize the sight of an angel among mere men (and one demon).

I've been watching way too much supernatural lately -_-

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 04:44 AM
I'm now taking bets on Ashaya being a Denarian. :p

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 04:45 AM
I'm now taking bets on Ashaya being a Denarian. :p

I would lol if this turns out to be true.

I would laugh even harder if Jon turns out to be Karen.

Castiel
01-13-2012, 04:46 AM
Come on castiel. Vote for her. You of all people should recognize the sight of an angel among mere men (and one demon).

I've been watching way too much supernatural lately -_-

Nope.

Good.

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I would lol if this turns out to be true.

This.

I would laugh even harder if Jon turns out to be Karen.

Who is Karen?

Moridin
01-13-2012, 04:52 AM
Who is Karen?

I assume he means Murphy.

Castiel
01-13-2012, 04:54 AM
I assume he means Murphy.

Right. I Ctrl+Fed the main page and couldn't find any Karen.

I really need to read Dresden Files. >_>

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 04:57 AM
I assume he means Murphy.

Then he still got it wrong. It's Karrin. Fools need to re-read the books.

Smile just needs to read them.

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 05:01 AM
In other words, who gives a fuck about deviations from naming standards?

Castiel
01-13-2012, 05:02 AM
I actually read the first one ages ago. Forgot everything really. I got halfway through seconds but it got boring. :| If I were to start again which book should I read first?

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 05:08 AM
I actually read the first one ages ago. Forgot everything really. I got halfway through seconds but it got boring. :| If I were to start again which book should I read first?

Third book is what starts the vampire war.

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 05:14 AM
Third book is where it gets good. I enjoyed the second book, but I like werewolf stories, but the third book is leaps and bounds better than the first two.

LochNess
01-13-2012, 05:17 AM
Hi guys, looking forward to playing this again. I hadn't realized it was already started, so good thing I checked. Anyways, I just want to heads up that I won't be able to post much today or tomorrow because I am moving back to Canada tomorrow and have about a million things to do. After that I will post my normal amount.

guljons
01-13-2012, 05:20 AM
My,my I actually made it in the game. Though that I was too late in sign-ups.

I actually have not read any of Dresden books, but plan to start in the future. So this game and previous gives some character references and shows what I can expect, which so far seems interesting.

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 05:58 AM
Mayor Vote:

Jon: jwlk, Aekiel, NobelFiction, Snowflake, Castiel


Ashaya: dhulli (cause tits :facepalm)



Users Who Have Not Posted:
Riley
Krogan
Kalas
Vesvius
Lindsey
Zenzao
Big Z
Fenraellis
Seratin
Sacrifice

Moridin
01-13-2012, 06:29 AM
Then he still got it wrong. It's Karrin. Fools need to re-read the books.

Smile just needs to read them.

/shrug It's still better than Connie.

And it's relatively early in the day, once 24 hours are up most will have posted at least once.

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 06:38 AM
I can't wait 24 hours. I want this game to get going now!

Ugh, this fever is really messing with my head.

Jon
01-13-2012, 06:41 AM
LOVE

AND

PEACE

Also

GUNS!

Ash
01-13-2012, 08:29 AM
Good morning, good mooooooorning.

Vote Mayor: Ashaya

I'd be the bestest mayor EVER.

Lungs
01-13-2012, 08:34 AM
Sorry Ash, but... Jon is going to juice me if I don't

errr...

I mean, I think that the mayor of Boston Chicago should be Jon.

Vote Mayor: Jon

Kalas
01-13-2012, 08:56 AM
I thought I read this was starting tonight? My day just got a lot more interesting!

That said, Mayor Vote:Vesvius. We trusted him with the Mystery Box, what more qualification do you need?

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 09:09 AM
Trust is a dubious word. Also, I trust jwlk, but Jon will murder me not be pleased if I vote for someone else.

Ash
01-13-2012, 09:17 AM
As I said in Awesomefia, the only person I trust is myself. Even with an utterly meaningless title.

Also, screw Jon, that big bully!

SmileOfTheKill
01-13-2012, 11:13 AM
Wait...I thought this wasn't supposed to start until tomorrow at 10 pm...

The sign-up thread did say the 13th, did it not?


I figured I would start it now and allow people to call it. Considering it is 48 hours, no one will have any excuses if I replace them due to lack of posting on the first day.

NobelFiction
01-13-2012, 11:22 AM
That's if there are more then one lurkers. I'm assuming that in the event we lynch the only lurker, he gets hanged and not miraculously swapped with someone from the waiting list, right?

SmileOfTheKill
01-13-2012, 11:25 AM
No one will have any immunity because of lurking. If you guys do end up lynching a lurker, I am not going to swap that player out. He is dead. Every other lurker though will get replaced in the start of the night so the new players will be able to use their night action if they have one.

ANYWAYS, I'm going to shut up now.

Riley Poole
01-13-2012, 11:34 AM
So....I abstain from Mayor Voting as I always do. Other than that I don't know what to do since it's first day but we're not allowed to lurk...

Ash
01-13-2012, 11:37 AM
I dislike your new avatar, Riley.

NobelFiction
01-13-2012, 11:40 AM
Well you'll probably dislike his new name even more Ashaya.

Ash
01-13-2012, 11:46 AM
Yes, yes I will.

Riley Poole
01-13-2012, 11:50 AM
Why you hating on a picture of the Erlking Ashaya?

Ash
01-13-2012, 11:53 AM
It creeps me out. I kind of want to lynch you just because of your avatar. But I think I'll wait and see if anyone is lurking first....

Big Z
01-13-2012, 11:57 AM
Voting on a ceremonial title seems rather pointless but who am I to get in the way of more platitudes for Jon?

Vote Mayor: Jon

Sacrifice
01-13-2012, 12:14 PM
Jon oh Jon. Lusting for power as always.
I was out just now and being in gmt +8
doesnt help me much.

Will post more later, much later. Oh yes, I think I might vote for Jon. O_o

Kalas
01-13-2012, 12:21 PM
Why you hating on a picture of the Erlking Ashaya?

That is not the Erlking. It looks like Quirrelmort on a bad skin day.

Ash
01-13-2012, 12:28 PM
I'm a better choice than Jon. I don't go mad with power like he does.

Sacrifice
01-13-2012, 12:33 PM
I'm a better choice than Jon. I don't go mad with power like he does.

And exactly why are u a suitable candidate other than that reason?

Zennith
01-13-2012, 12:36 PM
And exactly why are u a suitable candidate other than that reason?

I want to lynch you for using U instead of YOU.

Sacrifice
01-13-2012, 12:39 PM
I want to lynch you for using U instead of YOU.

That's really immature of YOU. I am on phone currently and hence used to typing shortforms.

Zennith
01-13-2012, 12:41 PM
That's really immature of YOU. I am on phone currently and hence used to typing shortforms.

I literally don't even care. It is two extra letters. It isn't that hard.

Lungs
01-13-2012, 12:41 PM
I want to lynch you for using U instead of YOU.

This.

Also. Riley, don't change. By that, I mean, change it back to a picture of Riley :\

Ash
01-13-2012, 12:49 PM
I'm a better choice because I'm fucking awesome, that's why.

Uncle Stojil
01-13-2012, 12:51 PM
And really,out of everything that the bandwagon starts off on in this round, it's back to the "Implied we = auto-scum again"?

No, actually, I meant something else with this:

Good luck and may we all steamroll scum like that last Dresden game.

<- Still hating the zero scum QT.

Bold mine.

Don't make me metagame, Evan, please. I hate it.

I meant that your post read like you were part of the steamroller townies in last game, while, in fact, you were part of the steamrolled scum.

Anyway, pointless election is pointless.

Vote Mayor: Ashaya

Just to even the field a bit. ;)

Stop making that face, Jon.

Lungs
01-13-2012, 12:56 PM
Stop making that face, Jon

Do not tempt the Dragon Jon.

GRRM jokes

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 12:57 PM
I meant that your post read like you were part of the steamroller townies in last game, while, in fact, you were part of the steamrolled scum.


Eh, I can see how it'd be read that way.

Ya know, now I kind of wonder what would have happened if I had just let you get lynched instead of auctioning you.



Mayor Vote:

Jon: jwlk, Aekiel, NobelFiction, Snowflake, Castiel, Lungs, Big Z

Ashaya: dhulli, Ashaya, Stojil

Vesvius: Kalas


Users Who Have Not Posted:
Krogan
Vesvius
Lindsey
Zenzao
Fenraellis
Seratin

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 01:06 PM
So anyway, now for some proper discussion. Which three roles are the most powerful to you lot? Obviously Dresden is going to take the top spot, but I'd put McCoy and Morty as second and third. How about you?

Ash
01-13-2012, 01:15 PM
Most powerful out of town and scum, or simply town?

Zenzao
01-13-2012, 01:15 PM
Sorry for the delays, guys. Overslept after failing to reset the alarm this morning.

Dresden seems to be a good degree more useful this game, while McCoy took a step down. Mortimor seems about the same, and provided we can get some valid info from here eventually, I'd put him up there on our priority list to keep alive.

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 01:18 PM
Merlin still as tanky OP as last game.

Uncle Stojil
01-13-2012, 01:19 PM
Even detankified, the Merlin stays on top of the list for town, IMO.
1)Merlin
2)Morty/Dresden
4)McCoy
5)Forthill

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 01:23 PM
Most powerful out of town and scum, or simply town?

Both, though I think town has the most powerful roles in this game.

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Also, Ashaya has raised an interesting point. What about most powerful scum roles?

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 01:25 PM
Never mind. Didn't see that Merlin lost his night kill immunity. But yeah, Merlin still really strong.

Nicodemus got way stronger too, since with some luck, he only needs 4 nights to really win.

Knight's higher co-ordination puts them in a really strong position over black court.

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 01:30 PM
I'd say the Red Duchess takes first spot, despite not killing people, followed by Tessariel and possibly Thomas Raith.

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Evan Tide: If all three knights use their anti-taint ability there's a very good chance they'd offset Nicodemus' ability simply by random chance.

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Of course that means they're not actively seeking Denarians, which brings its own disadvantages.

Kalas
01-13-2012, 01:31 PM
So anyway, now for some proper discussion. Which three roles are the most powerful to you lot? Obviously Dresden is going to take the top spot, but I'd put McCoy and Morty as second and third. How about you?

I'd agree with that list, with midgame Elaine edging out McCoy and 3+ check Elaine taking the top spot.

Scum wise I'd say the Red King, Dracula and Nicodemus/Lara (depending on how intelligently they're played).

Krogan
01-13-2012, 01:33 PM
I feel like being different and you know, not getting sacrificed to hell beasts for giggles.

Vote Mayor: Ashaya

Zenzao
01-13-2012, 01:35 PM
Merlin's useful if we don't accidentally lynch him, Morgan, or Forthill.

The only real improvement to the scum sides are the passing-down of their leader's ability to the next-highest-up on the totem pole, with a few alterations in between to try and set them apart.

Who'd we agree on was the most dangerous last game? Red Duchess for Auctioning, Erlking via hunt/taint, but Dracula coming in close to last?

Uncle Stojil
01-13-2012, 01:36 PM
Factions:

1)Denarians
2)Red Court
3)Black/White Court
4)Erlking

As for roles, I think I would want to take out the Red Duchess first, if I got such a specific read. Her auction is dangerous and she's the one to inherit the King's night kill if he dies. Even though she can't use it more than two nights in a row, that coupled with her own power is a deadly combination. I asked Smile and he confirmed that second-in-command scum roles can use both actions on the same night.

This, plus the fact she has no protection unlike the King, makes her the desirable target in my eyes, theoretically speaking.

Kalas
01-13-2012, 01:37 PM
Hmmm. Went and reread the roles. Thomas got a big buff but I wouldn't say top three. Tessa on the other hand clearly belongs. Info steals could change the game.

NobelFiction
01-13-2012, 01:44 PM
I say Denarians. The info steal and change of win conditions makes them able to blitz this one before it starts to get interesting.

Zenzao
01-13-2012, 01:46 PM
Yeah, Red Duchess is definitely up there, and going over it again Tessariel could be a definite threat over a few days, but I really don't think Thomas has improved very much unless he can narrow down who to info-block correctly each time.

After those two it's a toss-up for who to consider the next biggest threat; Nicodemus, Red King, or Lara?

Castiel
01-13-2012, 01:50 PM
Just got back from a party and it is midnight. I gotta sleep since I have an English exam tomorrow. But I might be able to check in before I leave for it in the morning, so I will be back in either ~8 or ~14 hours.

Just wanted to clarify so I don't get lynched for 'lurking'.

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 01:50 PM
Factions:

1)Denarians
2)Red Court
3)Black/White Court
4)Erlking

Agreed on that.

Tessariel is damned dangerous with her info-steal, though I think they're dragged down a bit by Thorned Namshiel's ability. It's not like anyone's going to trust anything he says, considering how he's scum and all.

The Red Court are way powerful, what with their night kill and the auctioning ability, and if they can spot a Wizard they've got a good chance of taking out one of our most powerful roles.

The White Court I'd put above the Black, since their speciality is in blocking people, which is extremely useful once roles have started being revealed. We got lucky with lynching Thomas Raith last time (hai Zennith!), but his ability to block checks on certain people (I'm assuming this means he picks a person and anyone trying to check them gets no result back) is very powerful if used right.

The Black Court I see as being the Rogue Warlock-lite version, with the other half of the RW's abilities being taken by the Erlking. If it weren't for Mavra's nightkill I'd be tempted to put them both on an equal footing for the lack of chance they have at winning this, but since she can use it, Black Court>Erlking.

As for roles, I think I would want to take out the Red Duchess first, if I got such a specific read. Her auction is dangerous and she's the one to inherit the King's night kill if he dies. Even though she can't use it more than two nights in a row, that coupled with her own power is a deadly combination. I asked Smile and he confirmed that second-in-command scum roles can use both actions on the same night.

Sure you're not just sore over you being auctioned last time, Stojil? :p

This, plus the fact she has no protection unlike the King, makes her the desirable target in my eyes, theoretically speaking.

Sounds good to me, though if I could pick a role to lynch first it would be Tessariel. Seems the second-in-commands are potentially the most powerful roles this time around.

SmileOfTheKill
01-13-2012, 02:06 PM
Alright, well this is part of the reason that I also started this earlier.

Added to the rules.

* All players with the ability to taint will know if the taint has been purged or not. They just need to ask to know the status on their taints.

Eternity Lost
01-13-2012, 02:07 PM
I would say that the order of importance is:

1. Red Duchess
2. Nicodemus
3. Tessariel
4. Red King
5. Lara
6. Thomas
7. Dracula
8. Mavra
9. Erlking
10. Madeleine
11. Red Baron
12. Namshiel

I don't rate Thomas that much. He can either choose to block a living player or a dead player, which limits him to either having a chance at blocking Mortie or Dresden/Archive. My guess is he'll block Mortie N1 and living players the rest of the time.

Aekiel
01-13-2012, 02:23 PM
I'd raise Thorned Namshiel a couple of notches on that list, at least so that he's above Madeline. His ability may be all but useless against a savvy town player, but if he contacts scum there's the potential for a lot of bad things to happen.

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Also, when TM contacts a person, it's not just him he's talking for. Remember how I spoke for Stojil during the last game; Namshiel would be talking for the entire Denarian faction. That's actually a really powerful ability, now that I think about it.

guljons
01-13-2012, 02:31 PM
For town it pretty much is the same wizards. Once Merlin gets a sniff who is scum he can be pretty awesome.
Second I would put McCoy. He now has a kill only every second night, but giving town this second kill besides lynches will be vital, I think.
And finally Elaine Mallory. If she gets at least 2 good checks, it can nail several scums as seen is previous game.

Going over the pumped up scum makes me think.
Red court is obviously the strongest at the start, because they can kill starting night 1, but Whites will catch up starting with night 3 when they will also start to get kills every night, if they targets are not purified. Do tainted people know that they are tainted?
And do Denarians win if all Knights are killed by town or other scum factions?
Black court could be pretty much done when Mavra is taken out and Erlking will need to pull something magnificent to win this game.

NobelFiction
01-13-2012, 02:37 PM
And do Denarians win if all Knights are killed by town or other scum factions?

The rules don't specify who has to kill the Knights and that mean we can accidental fuck ourself over with the end of night one (we lynch one and the other two are NK by the Red King and Blackstaff).

Eternity Lost
01-13-2012, 03:46 PM
Yep, the Denarian's are hugely powered.

Does the whole game end if the Denarians win? Or are they just removed from the game and the rest carry on?

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 03:54 PM
I'm hoping that the game would continue after that point, since just because the knights are all dead doesn't mean we can't kill off three main denarians and beat them.

SmileOfTheKill
01-13-2012, 03:56 PM
They raid the Knights, publicly, and then they kill all of them. The rest of the town and scum still play out to see who wins out of them. I confess I don't know if I should remove the Denarians from play or let them continue on. I will give an exist answer when I update the thread later tonight.

coleam
01-13-2012, 04:12 PM
Of the town, I think Morty and Dresden are the most powerful, with Morty slightly edging out Dresden (he can tell us which roles are dead while Dresden can only tell us if people are scum or not). The Merlin can be useful, but only if he (and Dresden) survives long enough for Dresden's role reveal. Then he has a target to protect and hopefully a list of scum to switch him with. Otherwise, it's just shots in the dark unless people play very poorly.

For scum, Dracula is pretty powerful. As long as Mavra stays inconspicuous, he can't be killed, and his ability allows him to hijack the vote. Definitely a late-game powerhouse. I also agree that the Red Duchess has some power, though it's more useful when she has an idea of who's who. (Question for Smile: does the Red Duchess's silence prevent all in-thread communication, or just votes?). The Denarians definitely have the easiest win conditions, and Tessa's ability makes their job even easier.

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 04:36 PM
Mayor Vote:

Jon: jwlk, Aekiel, NobelFiction, Snowflake, Castiel, Lungs, Big Z

Ashaya: dhulli (For tits), Ashaya, Stojil, Krogan (Also for tits?)

Vesvius: Kalas


Users Who Have Not Posted:
Vesvius
Lindsey
Fenraellis
Seratin

Sup with the four no-posts?

Lungs
01-13-2012, 04:40 PM
I have half a mind to deadline lynch vote against them :\

Krogan
01-13-2012, 04:52 PM
Mayor Vote:

Jon: jwlk, Aekiel, NobelFiction, Snowflake, Castiel, Lungs, Big Z

Ashaya: dhulli (For tits), Ashaya, Stojil, Krogan (Also for tits?)

Rofl no I just think the Mayor idea is silly so I voted for Ashaya instead of Jon being that she's less you know psychotic and all.

Slightly.

Lindsey
01-13-2012, 05:32 PM
I totally didn't know this thread even started. I have been at school for the last 12 hours and asleep before that. Looking at the thread.

Vote Ashaya

Why? Because Jon is always voted for. :P

Lungs
01-13-2012, 05:36 PM
LOL.

>Jon always gets the mayor vote.
>Ashaya gets ballots.
>Lindsey tries to get Ashaya lynched.

Lindsey
01-13-2012, 05:38 PM
OH FINE!

Vote Mayor: Ashaya

Better? xD

Ash
01-13-2012, 05:47 PM
Mayor Vote:
Ashaya: dhulli (For tits), Ashaya, Stojil, Krogan (Also for tits?)


Oh, fuck you! Maybe they just like me and appreciate my sense of humor. Wait, that can't be it. Tits it is ;_;

Seratin
01-13-2012, 05:50 PM
Vote mayor: Jon

Because why the fuck not. And as for the not posting yet, what can I say? I was on the beer.

Fenraellis
01-13-2012, 06:27 PM
Well, I apologize for not being here earlier. I had one of my Tuesday/Thursday thirteen-and-a-half hour class-days(that is, leave home at about 7a.m., and come home at around 8:30p.m.), and after coming home late didn't check the forum before going to sleep. That, and I didn't get home until a little while ago today either.

As for the completely pointless honorary Mayor vote:
Mayor Vote: Ashaya

Jon killed my Holy Loli-ness:mad:

Lungs
01-13-2012, 06:29 PM
Jon killed my Holy Loli-ness

Omg. LOL. That game. XD

Uncle Stojil
01-13-2012, 07:20 PM
Someone should sticky the thread.

Vesvius is the only one who has yet to come out of his lurkage, but then again, a few people have lots of posts in which they don't say anything at all.

Still too early to tell.

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 08:39 PM
Mayor Vote:

Jon (7): jwlk, Aekiel, NobelFiction, Snowflake, Castiel, Lungs, Big Z

Ashaya (7): dhulli (For tits), Ashaya, Stojil, Krogan (Definitely for tits), Lindsey, Seratin, Fenraellis

Vesvius: Kalas


Lynch Vote:

Ashaya (1+0): Lindsey

Users Who Have Not Posted:
Vesvius


I say we make Ash and Jon fight for mayor position if it's a tie at day's end. And have it be part of the flavor Krogan writes.


Also, Lindsey starting bandwagon?

:sherlock:

:awesome

KILL THE SCUM!

:nyan:

Ash
01-13-2012, 08:40 PM
Lol, Lindsey forgot to rescind.

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 08:42 PM
BTW, there's lots of people who only have 1-2 posts and don't want to join in the lulz mayor vote for fun.

User Name Posts
Aekiel 16
Evan Tide 16
Ashaya 12
Lungs 7
Castiel 6
SmileOfTheKill 6
dhulli 6
NobelFiction 6
Uncle Stojil 6
Kalas 4
Zennith 4
Eternity Lost 4
Moridin 4
Zenzao 3
Sacrifice 3
Jon 3
Riley Poole 2
Snowflake 2
Lindsey 2
coleam 2
Schrodinger 2
guljons 2
Krogan 2
klackerz 1
Seratin 1
jwlk 1
LochNess 1
Big Z 1
Fenraellis 1


Why you all no post?

Riley Poole
01-13-2012, 08:45 PM
Because there's nothing of importance to say, we're still in the first half of our 48 hours Evan, relax a bit.

Evan Tide
01-13-2012, 08:46 PM
Yeah, there's nothing to say but you can still mess around with the "No worries" mayor vote, like I'm trying to. At least make the first day be interesting, guys.

Hell, our first lynch vote came from Lindsey because of derp.

klackerz
01-13-2012, 08:49 PM
Oh good god, I am tired. I was traveling the whole night. Now I may or may not sleep.

Also

Vote Mayor:Jon

Riley Poole
01-13-2012, 08:52 PM
I'm guessing this time is mostly for the scum to coordinate in their QTs, therefore I don't think much talk is going to happen until at least the last 12 hours of this day. That's when they'll most likely try to put any plans into action.

Unless Lindsey's "mistake" was the beginning of her factions plan in which case she may not have "derped" at all. Meanwhile everyone who's voting for Mayors may have ulterior motives to vote, such as wanting to push people to the forefront of everyone's minds when the lynch vote begins.

Finally, calling for people to talk will not inherently make them talk and just makes you seem as if your posturing as town in the manner that by having more people talk, you can dissect what they're saying and ergo try to weed out the potential scum from the potential town. The problem here is that you're posturing which means you could either be scum pretending to be town or you could genuinely be town and the rest of us have no way to know that.

There, is that enough calculating talk for you to dissect Evan?

coleam
01-13-2012, 08:52 PM
Why you all no post?

Because there's absolutely no point in voting for a powerless mayor besides making useless posts that obscure content posts. I'm all for using stupid shit to get the game moving on day 1, but a pointless mayor vote just makes for several pages of worthless posts to wade through.

I already answered the one serious question that's been posed today.

Lindsey
01-13-2012, 09:13 PM
LMAO, you guys. You all knew I was voting for Ashaya as mayor and nothing more ;_; lemme alone.

rescind vote

God, what a way to start the game. xD

Yes, I do feel slightly idiotic.

When does the game truly start though? I'm glad it's beginning over a 3 day weekend, I has time to dedicate to game then.

Seratin
01-13-2012, 09:16 PM
The pressure Evan Tide is putting on for everyone to post makes him seem more than a little scummy to me. Seems like he's trying to hard to appear massively pro-town.

coleam
01-13-2012, 09:18 PM
LMAO, you guys. You all knew I was voting for Ashaya as mayor and nothing more ;_; lemme alone.

rescind vote

God, what a way to start the game. xD

Yes, I do feel slightly idiotic.

When does the game truly start though? I'm glad it's beginning over a 3 day weekend, I has time to dedicate to game then.
It's already started. Day one has about 26 hours left in it, and all other phases will be 24 hours (I presume). Confused me as well, since the sign up post said it wouldn't start until tonight, but basically day 1 was started 24 hours early and extended by 24 hours as well.

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The pressure Evan Tide is putting on for everyone to post makes him seem more than a little scummy to me. Seems like he's trying to hard to appear massively pro-town.
Has he posted any content at all?

Schrodinger
01-13-2012, 09:19 PM
I have the same rationale as coleam: there's no reason to participate in a ineffectual Mayor vote other than to burn time and clog up the thread.

Seratin
01-13-2012, 09:21 PM
Has he posted any content at all?


Lots of counting votes and posts and some debating on the strength of different roles is all I can see but it's early I suppose. Not much for anyone to go on. On the other hand, he's the only one sticking out to me. \(O_o)/

Ash
01-13-2012, 10:08 PM
I have the same rationale as coleam: there's no reason to participate in a ineffectual Mayor vote other than to burn time and clog up the thread.

FOR FUN, SCHRO, FOR FUN.

Seratin
01-13-2012, 10:15 PM
I have the same rationale as coleam: there's no reason to participate in a ineffectual Mayor vote other than to burn time and clog up the thread.

There's also no reason to claim you have a vagina on a Harry Potter forum other than to... nope. There's none.

Schrodinger
01-13-2012, 10:29 PM
I only claimed to be female, you inferred the vagina. D:

Jon
01-13-2012, 10:33 PM
Also, Lol.

Just caught this.

Tessariel
- Every night, he can chose the Mortimer, Dresden, or Archive to copy all information they learned.
- Survives one night kill as Denarians are tough to kill.
- If Nicodemus dies, he can do the coin offer. Same rules.
* Can communicate with the other Denarians in a private QT

Derp much Smile? Her name is Polonius Lartessa.

Riley Poole
01-13-2012, 10:38 PM
That's probably my bad. He pretty much Copy/pasted my original rule set and revamped them.

SmileOfTheKill
01-13-2012, 10:38 PM
Hey, I said I never read this books.

I gave it to someone to check and they didn't spot it as well.

Anyways, slightly updated Knights purged of the Coin. It now is next day since it is impossible for one to purge the coin on a target the night it is applied. This will be my last outright change to the rules, the only thing left is clarifications.

Sorry, but blame it on me being new to this.

Jon
01-13-2012, 10:41 PM
Vote Lynch: Riley Poole

You are bad and should feel bad.

Riley Poole
01-13-2012, 10:47 PM
That's a bullshit reason and I'm calling bullshit on it Jon.

Jon
01-13-2012, 10:52 PM
If you had apologised for being bad I would have withdrawn it straight away. Instead you've suddenly gone into full defence mode.

:sherlock:

By the All Mighty Walrus God!

I know what you are now.

You... are bad!

Sacrifice
01-13-2012, 10:55 PM
Vote Mayor: Jon

Just so that people don't say I'm voting to see Ashaya's tits -.-

Riley Poole
01-13-2012, 10:57 PM
You... are bad!

As long as you're not saying I'm scum I won't call you a liar.

Jon
01-13-2012, 11:03 PM
But.. you don't refute the statement that you're bad? :awesome

Rescind Vote: Riley Poole.

Zenzao
01-13-2012, 11:07 PM
Really, at this point we have more than enough time to wait and let some schmuck slip up. I honestly don't see a point in voting for a role that does nothing to effect the outcome of the game and only creates a waste of pages.

Evan's pushing a little too hard for us to all join in the bandwagon Mayor voting, and I don't see that as a good thing. Way too early to lynch, but I've got him on my suspect list.

Ash
01-13-2012, 11:23 PM
Well, good night! I will check in again in around 8 hours, but then I'll be traveling for 17 hours. Hope I don't miss much!

Moridin
01-13-2012, 11:28 PM
Vote Mayor: Jon

Just so that people don't say I'm voting to see Ashaya's tits -.-

Eh, tits is as good a reason as any. :sherlock:

Vote Mayor: Ashaya

Though what are your campaign promises, anyway?

Ash
01-13-2012, 11:40 PM
To be witty and pretty and gaaaaaaaay. Wait...that's not right. My promise is to be gay. By gay I mean happy. So, VOTE FOR ASHAYA, THE GAYEST MAYOR AROUND.

Jon
01-13-2012, 11:50 PM
For the record.

As a rule for Mafia.

If you don't vote for me I assume you are scum. ಠ_ಠ

Lungs
01-13-2012, 11:54 PM
Weren't you scum the first time you were ma

Post censored.

Jon is the forever Town mayor. :3

Jon
01-13-2012, 11:55 PM
Yeah, but Lungs.

I never lie.

Lungs
01-13-2012, 11:56 PM
/me shivers.

The Red Truth. The Red-

/me screams.

Yeah, I know, Jon :P

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 12:07 AM
Evan's pushing a little too hard for us to all join in the bandwagon Mayor voting, and I don't see that as a good thing. Way too early to lynch, but I've got him on my suspect list.

I haven't pushed any one to vote on anything. I've pushed people to post so no one gets dropped form the game.

I've tried to get people to have fun with a fun vote since, like every other mafia game with long first days, the last 24 hours are all that matter without pressure. You've even confirmed this by saying it's too early to even vote for anythign other than lulz, and waiting without any posts of any sort won't help people make a decision on the first day either.

Also Red Truth Persuasion success.

Vote Mayor Jon

Sacrifice
01-14-2012, 12:17 AM
Mayor Vote:

Jon (10) : jwlk, Aekiel, NobelFiction, Snowflake, Castiel, Lungs, Big Z, klackerz, Sacrifice, Evan Tide

Ashaya (8 ): dhulli, Ashaya, Stojil, Krogan, Lindsey, Seratin, Fenraellis, Moridin

Vesvius (1): Kalas


Jon is leading, and he has not yet voted for himself XD

Lungs
01-14-2012, 12:18 AM
Kalas, you trash, why are you voting for Derpius? :3

coleam
01-14-2012, 12:19 AM
I haven't pushed any one to vote on anything. I've pushed people to post so no one gets dropped form the game.

You also made a list of people who hadn't voted and/or had only made one or two posts and told them to vote. They weren't going to dropped.

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Missed a word...should be a "be" in there.

Kalas
01-14-2012, 12:26 AM
Kalas, you trash, why are you voting for Derpius? :3

I gave him the Ultimate Cosmic Power of the Mystery Box, getting a Mayoral title should be cake!

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Besides Ves wins this and I'm sticking 'Mafia Campaign Manager' on my resume :P

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 12:43 AM
You also made a list of people who hadn't voted and/or had only made one or two posts and told them to vote. They weren't going to dropped.



You mean the list I C&P'd from the forum post status and saying they didn't want to join in on the fun? How the hell does that even relate to them not dropping?

Here, I'll explain it in simpler terms.

My posts consist of three points:

1) Make one damn post.

2) Have fun with poll.

3) Find out those who are all srs bsns about this game. There's a difference between wanting to win while having fun and being a killjoy about winning.

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Forgot point four:

Find lurkers now, since staistically, most early lurkers end up being scum more often than not.

Lindsey
01-14-2012, 01:33 AM
-yawn-

Long day at school and work. I'm going to go to bed, I'll check this thread tomorrow morning. Goodnight everyone :)

Schrodinger
01-14-2012, 01:42 AM
And plenty of times, scum are the most active since they're busy throwing suspicion on anyone-but-them and pretending to be pro-town.

Aekiel
01-14-2012, 01:49 AM
And plenty times, scum are the least active since they're trying not to gain the attention of everyone that isn't their scummates and pretending to be disinterested. Besides, there's a core of about half a dozen people (including me) that always have high post counts in these games, whether they're town or scum.

Lungs
01-14-2012, 01:55 AM
And plenty of times, scum are the most active since they're busy throwing suspicion on anyone-but-them and pretending to be pro-town.

Hey Evan Tide, you wanna respond to this? LOL.

Actually, I'm inclined to believe Schro on this little bit. Tbh, having a random player act like a semi-mod is probably a great way to gain trust.

Of course that's probably just paranoid!Lungs screaming. Hehe, get it, my lungs are screaming-

Oh god, I'm going to get lynched for that terrible pun.

What I am actually afraid of is getting nightkilled on night one or two. Made DE3 really unfun :\

Sacrifice
01-14-2012, 02:02 AM
Find lurkers now, since staistically, most early lurkers end up being scum more often than not.

Show the statistics? I remember there were plenty of mislynches in other games when lurkers are lynched, only occasionally do they turn out to be scum. Or am I wrong?

klackerz
01-14-2012, 02:03 AM
Lungs, Why are you always striking out your sentences? That is making me paranoid.

Also, the first day is very boring. Even the fake mayor vote is not making it interesting.

Lungs
01-14-2012, 02:11 AM
LOL. I recently discovered the strike command. I used to think it was but you actually have to write out strike. Sort of like my habit of spamming D8 and egads :\

Zennith
01-14-2012, 02:13 AM
[s]Like this?

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Nope. Not like that.

Jon
01-14-2012, 02:15 AM
This is the darkness.

This is my domain.

You little things that live in the light.

Clinging to your feeble suns which die in the end.

Only the darkness remains.

You know my name.

You will die here.

All of you.

This planet is your grave.

Lungs
01-14-2012, 02:17 AM
No, Zennith, you have to end with [/strike] as well, but the first [strike] was correct. UNLIKE GEORGE W. BUSH'S!

Also: Jon, DEMON MAYOR IN TIME.

Zennith
01-14-2012, 02:20 AM
No, Zennith, you have to end with [/strike] as well, but the first was correct. UNLIKE GEORGE W. BUSH'S!

Also: Jon, DEMON MAYOR IN TIME.


Oh. [s]Like this

Jon
01-14-2012, 02:22 AM
Lungs got it.

Anyone else know where that came from? :awesome

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 02:29 AM
Show the statistics? I remember there were plenty of mislynches in other games when lurkers are lynched, only occasionally do they turn out to be scum. Or am I wrong?

This is all based on post per RL day.

Gila and Sneakthief from WH:E for the first few days. 2/5 made up about 40% of the lurkers.

First Dresden, with guljons, Ves, Lindsey, Duke (Though he never posted so eh), Kensington. 1/3. Made up about 55% of the lurkers.

Gotham: Zeit, guljons, Silens, Krogan, which is 40%. Though then Gotham ended in 3 days. 2/5 scum lurked. This was about 50% of all lurkers.

A Hunt of Thrones: MattSilver, Kensington, klackerz, Taure. 1/3 of the scum lurked. Didn't really check lurker vs scum lurkers on this game, since it was the first one I watched.


And for scum who post a lot, that's usually Aekiel, Ash, draconian, and Zennith from the games I've seen when they are scum. All the other frequent-posting scum aren't in here or the players are too new to get a read on.

klackerz
01-14-2012, 02:33 AM
I always lurk. Even when I am scum or town.

Also Jon. I will destroy your prison, along with your mind.

Lungs
01-14-2012, 02:36 AM
Zeit was NOT a lurker in Bat. Nor was Krogan, iirc. I should know. I replaced him as Bane :\

You keep missing the point though - we have slightly 1/3 scum numbers - so the amount of scum who lurk and the amount of scum who don't are somewhat the same as the amount of town that lurk and the amount of town who don't in those games.

Also, you're beeping extremely loud on my scumdar. While it's usually pretty suspect, I think that the more you justify the lynching of lurkers for any other reason than "unfun", the scummier you seem.

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 02:36 AM
Hey Evan Tide, you wanna respond to this? LOL.

Actually, I'm inclined to believe Schro on this little bit. Tbh, having a random player act like a semi-mod is probably a great way to gain trust.


I just listed the usual active scums that are in this game. The other players are only 2~ games in, so no patterns. Most of the others are 3+ games in, so I could find something on how they play.

I hate lurkers because it's much harder to get tells on them early on. The really good scum, like Ash was in the original DE, knew how to post a good chunk while being hiding tells. The average ones tend to give up more scum tells under pressure, like how Zennith pretty much caved in Dresden once people focused him.

Less posts = a decent scum tell late-game, but early on, I'd prefer getting people to post more so I can get reads on them, especially if they cave under pressure.

And I'm only modding my little mayor side-game. The post count is so everyone can see who's actually responding and general info. Not everyone knows how to check that. Lindsey didn't until last Dresden mafia (or was that Loch?).

Eternity Lost
01-14-2012, 02:40 AM
Personally, I agree that lynching a lurker is generally better D1.

There may not be that much difference in the likelyhood of them being scum, but they don't post that much so they're not much loss to town.

But if there's a better target, I'll lynch them too, like Kai in Gotham.

Then Jon's what? The truth behind the myth?

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 02:42 AM
Zeit was NOT a lurker in Bat. Nor was Krogan, iirc. I should know. I replaced him as Bane :\

Herp derping on names. Sorry.

Kensington

Kalas (Hard lurk first day in Bat)


C&P wrong name groups from Bat Obs QT.

Lungs
01-14-2012, 02:42 AM
@Eternity: That's what we mean by "unfun" - they don't post enough to make a difference either way.

LOL okay, Evan :3

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 02:44 AM
But if there's a better target, I'll lynch them too, like Kai in Gotham.


Wasn't first day lynch Zeit cause of crazy?

I mean, yeah, he was sad about the Uni reject, but he kind of went cuckoo about it.

Eternity Lost
01-14-2012, 02:46 AM
Ahh, I was confused about 'unfun'.

Thanks Lungs.

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No, It was Kai because of his and Krogan's pissing contest. We lynched Krogan the next day, and then the game was spoiled.

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We didn't even get to lynch Zeit/Lungs.

Sacrifice
01-14-2012, 02:46 AM
Lynching a lurker and hitting scum is normally sheer luck, which of course, is what we rely on Day One since we do not have enough information. If however we could pinpoint scummish behaviour, the ones who continue to persuade people to lynch lurkers are mighty suspicious.

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 02:48 AM
We didn't even get to lynch Zeit/Lungs.

Ah, I see it now. I can't remember that Bat so well because I didn't sign up for it. I play most of these games at like 3 AM or at work, so I mainly skim and type fast.

NobelFiction
01-14-2012, 03:38 AM
Found another error on the Roles & Rules page. Where it says '5 Humans (Town)' should be '6 Humans'.

Seratin
01-14-2012, 03:59 AM
Y'know, you're still reading scummy to me, Evan Tide. Nobody else is showing up as fishy so why the hell not.

Deadline vote: Evan Tide.

SmileOfTheKill
01-14-2012, 04:02 AM
Due to a highly magical mix-up of magic proportions,

Vesvius

HAS BEEN REPLACED BY,

Aziraphale

Definitely Not Azira
01-14-2012, 04:02 AM
Hi guys.

I am here to replace Vesvius. Will take a few minutes to read through the thread and shit.

Sacrifice
01-14-2012, 04:19 AM
Welcome to the game, Azira :)

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 04:25 AM
Deadline vote: Evan Tide.

Because no one else wants to freaking post.

guljons
01-14-2012, 04:26 AM
I'm up and moving.
Lets see. First vote for the mayor of Townsville. The never lying Jon it is, for no reason than just to vote, like in real election.
Vote mayor:Jon

So now we are in the 2nd part of day. Right now nobody really stands out. Evan does not strike me yet as scum, because really only thing he has done is telling people to post. This could of course change if he goes overboard with that.

NobelFiction
01-14-2012, 04:39 AM
First vote for the mayor of Townsville.

What is this? Powerpuff Girls Mafia? It's Chicago, lets try to keep some flavour here guys or what's the point of acting in the first place.

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 04:43 AM
Hermione for Mayor of Chicago!

Eternity Lost
01-14-2012, 04:50 AM
Evan is looking suspicious to be too, but not enough to warrant a lynch.

At least Azira will be active.

Has everyone posted yet?

Sacrifice
01-14-2012, 04:52 AM
Evan is looking suspicious to be too, but not enough to warrant a lynch.

At least Azira will be active.

Has everyone posted yet?

Everyone has posted at least once

Moridin
01-14-2012, 04:59 AM
Welcome back to the game, Azira. :p

And I believe it's Hermonie, Evan Tide.

That said, we should really be getting a move on towards figuring out who to lynch. The day doesn't have nearly as many hours left, and I think the mayor issue should be laid to rest/sidelined in favour of lynch discussions.

Sacrifice
01-14-2012, 05:06 AM
Timecheck. Exactly how many more hours to Night?

Speakers
01-14-2012, 05:09 AM
...Made DE3 really unfun :\
I'll tell you what made DE3 really unfun! You guys wouldn't roleplay! :p

Seratin
01-14-2012, 05:18 AM
Fuck off, Dhulli. -_-

coleam
01-14-2012, 05:18 AM
I'll tell you what made DE3 really unfun! You guys wouldn't roleplay! :p
You should know by now that roleplaying tends to get you lynched.

Snowflake
01-14-2012, 05:22 AM
Everyone has posted, but I don't really see any scumtells yet. :/

jwlk
01-14-2012, 05:27 AM
I think after the first day, we will have a lot more information, not to mention information that town knows only scum can know.... So we can look for things like that for scum tells. Its like 5 am right now though, so I'm going to go to sleep. hopefully day is up in the morning so I can post something coherent.

Zenzao
01-14-2012, 05:36 AM
I'm heading out for the rest of the morning but should be back well ahead of the deadline.

Definitely Not Azira
01-14-2012, 06:05 AM
Glad to be back guys :) I mean it's a hard job stepping into the shoes of The Batman, but I'll try my best.

As usual Day 1 is an absolute bore :(

Castiel
01-14-2012, 07:03 AM
Back. Net wasn't working, so a little late. Nothing to go on, so I am going to wait and see what others say.

Jon
01-14-2012, 07:08 AM
Hey Evan.

Be honest.

Are you Dracula?

The way you've been posting seems to indicate that you're unafraid of being lynched.

Uncle Stojil
01-14-2012, 07:53 AM
Hey Evan.

Be honest.

Are you Dracula?

The way you've been posting seems to indicate that you're unafraid of being lynched.

lol at "be honest". But I feel like getting behind the accusation. Evan acts fearless.

Anyway, just wanted to put a little attention on something.

Poist #88

So anyway, now for some proper discussion. Which three roles are the most powerful to you lot? Obviously Dresden is going to take the top spot, but I'd put McCoy and Morty as second and third. How about you?

Post #89

Most powerful out of town and scum, or simply town?

Post #93

Also, Ashaya has raised an interesting point. What about most powerful scum roles?

I liked this exchange.

Ashaya: she asked that clarification and then didn't answer at all. Was she just pointing out that Aekiel had only asked (read: fished) for town roles?

Aekiel: he wanted to make people talk but apparently only about town roles.

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 07:55 AM
Are you Dracula?


Would me wishing really hard make it true?

And it's an extended first day in a game with no special properties on the first vote. I'm bored as all hell here.

The 3 cups of coffee both yesterday and today don't help either.

Ash
01-14-2012, 08:17 AM
Lol, I didn't respond because I pretty much just agreed with everyone else. Merlin, McCoy, and Dresden are the most important town roles. Anyway, I'm off to catch my bus. 17 hours, fuckin' a. Anyway, I'll check in periodically, but via phone, and god, I hate typing on my phone.

Aekiel
01-14-2012, 09:32 AM
Ashaya: she asked that clarification and then didn't answer at all. Was she just pointing out that Aekiel had only asked (read: fished) for town roles?

Aekiel: he wanted to make people talk but apparently only about town roles.

It wasn't so much that I only wanted to talk about town roles, just that the way I see it is that the top three most powerful roles are all town ones (Dresden, Morty and McCoy), so my list would have been pretty sparse on details about scum, which I should have noted before I asked the question.

Sacrifice
01-14-2012, 09:48 AM
Jon, you might be Dracula for all we know, and trying to divert attention away. Don't get me wrong, I am not accusing you.

As for Ashaya and Aekiel, I don't read much from them....for the moment.

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And Evan is getting more suspicious. I say we watch him closely.

Lindsey
01-14-2012, 10:35 AM
No one seems scummy to me yet. I rather lynch a really bad lurker at this point in the game. I saw that everyone has posted once, but I feel like at this point of the game, people should have posted at least three times.

Are there any people in this game, that were apart of the original, that have been lurking both games? It may just be how they play, but it annoys me. I feel as if they are just too lazy (or scum), and not helping the town at all.

Also: Good morning everyone. My day has sucked so far. My text books that I have chapters to read by Wednesday have not arrived when they were supposed to. Postal Service is closed the next two days. fml.

Ash
01-14-2012, 10:50 AM
Lindsey: that is devastating. No chance of finding the textbooks online?

I'm on the bus! There are power outlets, and I tether my phone to my laptop for internet, so, HERE I AM. I died in Awesomefia ;_;

This means.....I CAN PAY ATTENTION TO THIS GAME. Kinda. At least for the next 24 hours, then I'll be exploring New York City.

Can you tell that I'm in a good mood!??!?!

Snowflake
01-14-2012, 10:59 AM
Sorry guys, I have to go and I don't think I'll make it by the deadline. :/

Big Z
01-14-2012, 11:18 AM
No one seems scummy to me yet. I rather lynch a really bad lurker at this point in the game. I saw that everyone has posted once, but I feel like at this point of the game, people should have posted at least three times.

Are there any people in this game, that were apart of the original, that have been lurking both games? It may just be how they play, but it annoys me. I feel as if they are just too lazy (or scum), and not helping the town at all.


Except your analysis also relies on the fact that there was any actual meaningful discussion when the only thing being talked about is voting (and analysis of the voting) of a pointless title. While I agree with you about the fact that most lurkers are more likely to be scum, posting drivel simply for the sake of posting seems rather counterproductive and foolish.

NobelFiction
01-14-2012, 11:30 AM
Well, we can build on that 'pointless title' votes and lynch the mayor. Jon is still in the lead and he might be projecting the whole Dracula thing onto Evan Tide.

Sacrifice
01-14-2012, 11:39 AM
Nobel, why would we want to lynch the mayor after he/she just stepped to power. Furthermore, the idea is strange by itself. At least lynching lurkers is a justified reason.

Zennith
01-14-2012, 11:43 AM
Nobel, why would we want to lynch the mayor after he/she just stepped to power. Furthermore, the idea is strange by itself. At least lynching lurkers is a justified reason.

There really is no justified reason for lynching anybody at this point. It's just something that probably has to be done.

Sacrifice
01-14-2012, 11:48 AM
There really is no justified reason for lynching anybody at this point. It's just something that probably has to be done.

Or...dont lynch at all.

I meant that lynching lurkers made much more sense than lynching the mayor, whoever it turns out to be. I am not supportive of lurker lynching though.

Zennith
01-14-2012, 11:56 AM
Or...dont lynch at all.


I don't really think this is an option. There's a lot of scum in this game, and giving them a head start with no attempt at catching them could be deadly (think the Denarians). As it's difficult to figure out scum tells at this point in the game, the lynch will inevitably be a bit random. But that's okay, because not lynching is a worse idea.

Ash
01-14-2012, 11:58 AM
Honestly, I don't have anyone that I think merits lynching right now. My best guess is Evan, who could be very town, or scum. It's a gamble. Well, lynching always is.

Sacrifice
01-14-2012, 12:03 PM
I don't really think this is an option. There's a lot of scum in this game, and giving them a head start with no attempt at catching them could be deadly (think the Denarians). As it's difficult to figure out scum tells at this point in the game, the lynch will inevitably be a bit random. But that's okay, because not lynching is a worse idea.

Thats true. I forgot about the denarians who could win in four nights if lucky. There is less than 50% chance of actually hitting a scum, and imagine the tragedy if we hit dresden by accident. Hence I still dont think lynching lurkers is a good idea, but I guess its necessary

Eternity Lost
01-14-2012, 12:07 PM
Evan's the only target we have right now and I'm not sure how much longer I'm going to be on.

If you don't decide to lynch him, no big deal. If you do and you're one short, I'll kick myself.

Deadline Vote: Evan Tide

Castiel
01-14-2012, 12:15 PM
I died in Awesomefia ;_;

Me too. :(

And, Deadline Vote: Evan Tide

Definitely Not Azira
01-14-2012, 12:18 PM
Not lynching is pretty much very anti town.

Sacrifice went up my list just because of that.

Actually.

Deadline Lynch Vote: Sacrifice

Riley Poole
01-14-2012, 12:19 PM
Finally awake after battling my allergies for an entire day. So, is the Mayor vote finally done, can we move on from that? I feel that a lynch is neccessary but, I say we give people a bit more time to talk. Ergo, I will put in a vote and hope someone else either comes forward as a more viable target or that he's scum. I'll check in from time to time to see what's happening and change my vote if neccessart but I'll mostly be out and about for a while, I should be back by deadline but I wanted to put that in there so no one thinks I'm lurking.

Edit to put vote on separate line: Deadline Vote: EvanTide

Zennith
01-14-2012, 12:21 PM
Who the fuck is Siulor and what happened to Riley?

Moridin
01-14-2012, 12:23 PM
I'll be going to sleep now, and I'm not sure I'll be awake before day ends. In case I'm not,

Deadline Vote Lynch: Evan Tide

And Siulor, IIRC Smile said he's searching for 'Vote' so you should be fine, but I think it'd be better if you put your vote on a separate line, to make counting votes easier on everybody. Just something I thought of given there was some confusion about vote lists in the last Dresden game.

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Lol, Zennith.

Sacrifice
01-14-2012, 12:27 PM
To be honest, I was stating that as a possibility and not actually suggesting we do it. Until I was reminded of how easy denarians could win.

Well, its 1:25 am here, and I'm tired. Going to sleep, hopefully back before deadline.

Riley Poole
01-14-2012, 12:28 PM
Still Riley, that's why I kept the name on my Avatar, but this makes it easier for me to log with username/password program.

Jon
01-14-2012, 12:28 PM
Riley.

That's a stupid name change and you should feel bad.

Riley Poole
01-14-2012, 12:31 PM
Riley.

That's a stupid name change and you should feel bad.


http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110607195352/swtor/images/1/1d/Haters_gonna_hate.jpeg

Zennith
01-14-2012, 12:36 PM
Riley. I knew who you were before. Now I'm gonna see your posts and think - who the fuck is this guy? It's gonna happen. Several times.

Aekiel
01-14-2012, 12:41 PM
I've got very little to go on so far, with Evan Tide topping the list solely because he seems to be placing himself in a neutral position. It's a viable scum plan to put up informative posts that say little to nothing about your opinion on the game, so my gut feeling is that he's probably scum.

Still, my gut feelings haven't been that reliable in the past.

Deadline Vote: Evan Tide

Riley Poole
01-14-2012, 02:06 PM
Riley. I knew who you were before. Now I'm gonna see your posts and think - who the fuck is this guy? It's gonna happen. Several times.

So you don't look at avatars?

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 02:21 PM
Not lynching is pretty much very anti town.

Sacrifice went up my list just because of that.

Actually.

Deadline Lynch Vote: Sacrifice

This. So very freaking much. Only a scum would every call a no-lynch, especially on day 1 when it's our only real source of info since no one's goning to be crazy enough to role-claim on day 2.


Deadline Lynch Vote: Sacrifice

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So a bandwagon starts on me for trying to have fun, when Sac pretty much gives a scum tell ASAP by asking for a no-lynch?

Really, guys? Just because I'm trying to mess around first day by having fun?

NobelFiction
01-14-2012, 02:39 PM
Not lynching is pretty much very anti town.

I concur.

Sure, we're basically going to lynch blindly and we could be hanging one our own, but I'll take the somewhat favourable odds of hitting scum over a 100% chance of not taking a shot a them.

Lynch Vote: Sacrifice

Zennith
01-14-2012, 02:44 PM
Agreed with the logic above.

Lynch Vote: Sacrifice

Schrodinger
01-14-2012, 02:46 PM
I'm... feeling that sacrifice just made a mistake. I mean, not to go against the flow here, but honestly, it seems just like a stupid move by an inexperienced (?) player. Killing him/her for it seems unfair.
Besides, Evan tide just feels off to me.
deadline vote: Evantide

SmileOfTheKill
01-14-2012, 02:56 PM
TOTAL REQUIRED VOTES TO LYNCH A PLAYER: 15

TIME TILL NIGHTTIME: 7:18

VOTES:
To Lynch Evan Tide-
D. Riley
D. Seratin
D. Aekiel
D. Eternity Lost
D. Castiel
D. Moridin
D. Schrodinger

To Lynch Sacrifice-
L. Zennith
D. Evan Tide
L. NobleFiction
D. Aziraphale

guljons
01-14-2012, 02:57 PM
So yeah, Sacrifice made a pretty suspicious comment about the no lynch + he says that he forgot about Denarians. That is pretty good way of trying to show that he is not one by claiming he forgot of them. So I'm thinking he may be a Denarian.

Deadline Lynch Vote: Sacrifice

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 03:06 PM
I've got very little to go on so far, with Evan Tide topping the list solely because he seems to be placing himself in a neutral position. It's a viable scum plan to put up informative posts that say little to nothing about your opinion on the game, so my gut feeling is that he's probably scum.

You're reading a lot into something that I've out-righted stated was for shits and giggles.

There was no informative post. There was no attempt at being neutral.

There was an attempt at having fun with a lulz mayor vote to pass the time that kind of worked until people started complaining about it because they want this game to be 100% serious business, when it's a freaking game.



If people are sure the lulz vote is useless, then they should already know to skip those pages. I, on the other hand, actually got some info out of them. Especially with the reactions from people that were against it.

Riley hit the nail on the head. Ulterior motives. Start looking for them. I have a motive in the false poll: To find out who's good, bad, and their general disposition. There are several new players here, so being able to gauge their reaction to pressure can sometimes give scum tells, even if it's manufactured pressure.

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Before people start jumping like mad, there's a difference between unintended and intended purpose.

The intended purpose of the poll was for lulz. Unintended was to cause people to slip up and get reads.

coleam
01-14-2012, 03:31 PM
I don't think that mentioning the possibility of not lynching is scummy (I advocated it for Day 1 in Beginner Werewolf as a townie). In certain games, where town far outweigh scum, it could actually be a good idea. However, in this game, the number of scum is high enough that even a random lynch has nearly a 50% chance of hitting scum.

So no, I don't think it's scummy. Misguided, but not scummy. And as for forgetting about the Denarians' win condition, there are so many roles and factions in this game that people are bound to forget things.

So,

Lynch Vote: EvanTide

He first tickled the scumdar with his incessant posting about the Mayor vote - we really didn't need a vote tally and a call to vote every few hours.

There wasn't too much content to his answer about powerful roles, but that in itself is hardly incriminating since plenty of people gave minimal answers to that or simply didn't answer the question at all.

However, when he pasted in a list of everyone who had only made one or two posts with more than 24 hours remaining and very little substance in the thread, then demanding that they vote for the mayor, that really got my attention. It seemed like he was trying to obscure the thread with pointless posts about the mayor vote. I agree that the mayor vote is fun and silly, and even a good way to pass time, but it's not helpful for determining who's scum - in fact, i find it harmful. It artificially inflates post counts and makes it more difficult to pick out any early, meaningful posts. A perfect screen for scum to hide behind.

When he was first accused, he basically brushed it off (Jon asked if he was Dracula because he was seemingly unconcerned about being lynched), but as soon as the bandwagon started to grow, he got more defensive, to the point of jumping on Sacrifice with all guns blazing as soon as someone threw out a vote for him (notice how he wasn't the one to instigate the vote). This behavior (turning attention to a new target rather than defending himself) screams scum.

Eternity Lost
01-14-2012, 03:39 PM
It's never a good idea not to lynch day 1. Period.

I think Sacrifice is slightly suspicious, but then again, it could have been a mistake.

I agree with Coleam's reasoning. He's basically put into text what I couldn't be bothered to type out, what with my computer having fits all the time.

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 03:58 PM
When he was first accused, he basically brushed it off (Jon asked if he was Dracula because he was seemingly unconcerned about being lynched), but as soon as the bandwagon started to grow, he got more defensive, to the point of jumping on Sacrifice with all guns blazing as soon as someone threw out a vote for him (notice how he wasn't the one to instigate the vote). This behavior (turning attention to a new target rather than defending himself) screams scum.

What defense would I be able to give? Everyone's voting cause of "Feeling" and you just completely ignored my post of why I made the lulz mayor poll and did what I did. I can't change the freaking feeling that people have, just because I like to have fun on the first day when it's boring and putting pressure on people for readings.

"All guns blazing"? Really? Sac was the first really solid derp or scum tell so far, because people are outright refusing to post.

And tell me, how would I instigate a vote while asleep before Sac even made the post, pray tell?

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Y'know, you're still reading scummy to me, Evan Tide. Nobody else is showing up as fishy so why the hell not.


Me too. :(

And, Deadline Vote: Evan Tide


I feel that a lynch is neccessary but, I say we give people a bit more time to talk. Ergo, I will put in a vote and hope someone else either comes forward as a more viable target or that he's scum.

Edit to put vote on separate line: Deadline Vote: EvanTide



I'll be going to sleep now, and I'm not sure I'll be awake before day ends. In case I'm not,

Deadline Vote Lynch: Evan Tide


I've got very little to go on so far, with Evan Tide topping the list solely because he seems to be placing himself in a neutral position. It's a viable scum plan to put up informative posts that say little to nothing about your opinion on the game, so my gut feeling is that he's probably scum.

Still, my gut feelings haven't been that reliable in the past.

Deadline Vote: Evan Tide

NOtice how most of the people voting against me say gut feeling or just lynch to lynch? there is no defense I can put against it, because:

1) No night powers kick in yet

2) No previous lynches for info

3) No other out-right major tells besides you hating on me trying to pressure people into giving tells and Sac's "no-lynch" cry.

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At least Azira's first vote and mine made sense. Scum calls no-lynch to delay kills and get more power over town. it's a common tactic.

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And if you really don't believe me about sleep, you'll notice the time lapse between 5 AM PST and 12 AM PST.

You'll also notice that on the previous day, there was also a large time lapse between 2 AM ST and 9 AM PST.

If you'll check most of my posts in mafia games, all of them have time lapses from between 12 AM - 11 AM on average due to sleep/school. It's not work, because I even post at work from time to time.

Eternity Lost
01-14-2012, 04:03 PM
Maybe it used to be common tactic.

Everyone knows now that advocating a 'no-lynch' first day (or any day) is like signing a death warrant, especially as there's nothing else to go on.

And what did Coleam just write?

Read that would you Evan. It sums up my reasoning quite nicely.

Evan Tide
01-14-2012, 04:06 PM
I did, and yet you ignore my posts explaining why I did what I did.

coleam's entire point is that he believes I'm scum because the poll had no use to him, when I found a good use out of provoking people.

He says I jumped fast on Sac, when Sac made a post and Azira voted while I was ASLEEP.

What defense is there versus that when I voted at the earliest opportunity available to me after seeing a scum tell like that?

Zennith
01-14-2012, 04:08 PM
I actually buy what Evan Tide is saying. The bandwagon is a tough thing to stop, but I'm really not getting a scum tell from him. Sacrifice is way more scummy to me. That being said, if by the end of the day it is either lynch Evan Tide or don't lynch at all, I'll go ahead and change my vote.