George's ear and Hermione's tits

[BJH]

According to canon, injuries caused by Dark curses can not be fully healed, or at least the damage caused can not be undone. This is why Harry's scar could not be removed. This is why Mad-Eye is so horribly scarred. This is why George's ear, cursed off by Snape, could not be regrown.

So, back in the DoM, Hermione is struck across the chest and badly injured by some sort of curse thrown by Dolohov. It causes tremendous injury that, luckily, isn't fatal. She is forced to take a regimen of Potions for several days to heal the damage done and she is very lucky that Dolohov was muted and thusly couldn't throw the curse at full strength or she would be dead. George's damage was healed in a matter of hours or less so we have some sort of canon guage as to the severity of Hermione's injuries. I would assume that this is a very dark curse indeed.

So, what sort of scarring do you think she has? A few fanfics have mentioned this but only rarely is she not brought back to full feminine beauty somewhere. How do you think a girl like Hermione would react to having such an area of her body disfigured by a scar? How would Ron react, could he deal with it and still love her?

BJH

[Nukular Winter]

Good point.

If you can't heal wounds inflicted by dark magic, then it's reasonable to assume that she has scarring, and that it's probably gross.

Of all the tits I've ever encountered, the only "bad" set belonged to a girl who'd had breast reduction surgery; apparently she went from some ungodly milk-cow udder size--like 36EE--down to a C cup. She had 1/4" vertical scar on each boob that ran from the nipple all the way down to her torso, and it was *disgusting*.

I could only bang her with her shirt on or from behind, and I couldn't tell her that it was because her boobs grossed me out.

[eXcalite]

Good point.

If you can't heal wounds inflicted by dark magic, then it's reasonable to assume that she has scarring, and that it's probably gross.

Of all the tits I've ever encountered, the only "bad" set belonged to a girl who'd had breast reduction surgery; apparently she went from some ungodly milk-cow udder size--like 36EE--down to a C cup. She had 1/4" vertical scar on each boob that ran from the nipple all the way down to her torso, and it was *disgusting*.

I could only bang her with her shirt on or from behind, and I couldn't tell her that it was because her boobs grossed me out.

I'm feeling personally offended here seeing as my girlfriend has undergone the same surgery since it can be pretty painfull to have such big breasts and has scars too, albeit nothing as gross as you described.

Still I feel obliged to tell you to fuck off.

p.s Don't take this to personal. I just can't stand people who talk about women like that. Must be me reading to much Dresden...

[Nukular Winter]

Awesome. It might be a matter of taste (like the "trimmed vs. shaved" debate), but I happen to prefer my titties when they're free of scars... and big. And attached to a teenager.

Anyway, don't be such a girl. If scar tissue is what does it for you, then it's not for me to say that you're a twisted pervert.

/Pervert. :)

[The Fine Balance]

It messed up the internal organs, if I remember correctly. You don't always need to have a surface mark when the innards are messed up. And also, the surface heals far more easily. And there is nothing that says that if the innards are fucked by a strike, the surface is also equivalently fucked. A friend of mine got internal injury and the only external evidence was a deep blush that remained for a couple of weeks.

But anyways, nothing says that see can't have a scar. It's just not fact.

[eXcalite]

Awesome. It might be a matter of taste (like the "trimmed vs. shaved" debate), but I happen to prefer my titties when they're free of scars... and big. And attached to a teenager.

Anyway, don't be such a girl. If scar tissue is what does it for you, then it's not for me to say that you're a twisted pervert.

/Pervert. :)

Aww you know I didn't mean it like that. Now you made me a pervert. Ofcourse I prefer unblemished bodies to scarred mutiliations but I can live with a few scars.

[nonjon]

Don't think of Hermione's tits as scarred. They're merely ribbed for your pleasure.

Freckles, on the other hand, are little drops of cancer.

[Nukular Winter]

More like speed bumps...

[Kardikek]

Sure it was the titties that got hit? I've always imagined it being like:

http://www.absoluteanime.com/neon_genesis_evangelion/misato2.jpg

[Mordecai]

It never says that there was any surface effect caused by the curse, it could have only caused internal injuries, like a crushing curse or something...

[Mordac]

IIRC, the lexicon mentions Dolohov's curse caused only internal damage.

[Blaise]

IIRC, the lexicon mentions Dolohov's curse caused only internal damage.

Same. I also got the feeling that it wasn't even that extensive since he'd been silenced before getting the spell out. Then again, it's not like Rowling would write about Hermione's post-curse problems, unless " I"m going to the library" is code for "I'm shitting bricks due to my permanent irritable bowel syndrome".

[Warlocke]

IIRC, the lexicon mentions Dolohov's curse caused only internal damage.Ah, the ever-useful Lexicon. That guy should write an actual HP reference book or something... :rolleyes:

Then again, it's not like Rowling would write about Hermione's post-curse problems, unless "I'm going to the library" is code for "I'm shitting bricks due to my permanent irritable bowel syndrome".Lulz.

[The Doctor]

It never says that there was any surface effect caused by the curse, it could have only caused internal injuries, like a crushing curse or something...

Damn, beat me to it.:p

[Demons In The Night]

I've actually read a few fics where Hermione has a big scar from Dolohov's curse, but I can't remember what the titles were or what they were about.

[Boo]

Harry Potter and the Redemption of the Black Sisters


That truth was demonstrated as part of Hermione’s shirt rode up, revealing a raw, rope-like scar, thick as a big man’s thumb, that started beneath her belly button and traveled up towards her breasts.

----

The scars were indeed bad. The thick, cordlike scar was reddish and angry, the edges of it pinching the healthy skin. It zigzagged across her abdomen, cutting a line through her belly button, rising above her stomach to cut diagonally through her left breast. A breast that was no longer capped by a nipple.

----

“It’s worse than that. It’s… its not just the way… the way it looks.” Hermione sniffled and stroked her palm across her ruined abdomen. “The spell did something to my insides. I won’t ever be able to have children.”

[enembee]

If the spell had cut her, wouldn't she have been bleeding in the DoM, requiring someone to maybe close the wound?

It never mentioned blood or a cut or anyone performing any sort of first aid on her, iirc.

Perhaps nobody likes her really. Fucking know it all.

[Boo]

The Order would have seen her when they came. Might be what took Dumbledore so long after the rest of the Order came. Had to heal a student.

[Warlocke]

The Order would have seen her when they came. Might be what took Dumbledore so long after the rest of the Order came. Had to heal a student.I am of the strong opinion that the curse Hermione was struck with left no external mark.

Harry and Neville both hovered over her looking for signs of life and it was never mentioned that her clothing was damaged or that she was bleeding. Considering how frightened Harry was that she was dead or dying, if she had been bleeding, he would have either tried to stop it, or lamented that he didn't know how to stop it.

On the other hand, Neville had just gotten his nose bloodied and JKR repeatedly mentioned the tons of blood pouring out of him every chance she got. In fact, she was pretty thorough about describing everyone's injuries. That being the case, if Hermione had been bleeding, JKR would have mentioned it.

Another thing to note is that Harry was struck by the same curse that hit Hermione. When she was hit, she was unshielded and the caster was silenced. This caused the spell to be weaker than usual.

Whatever these reduced effects were, they rendered her unconscious, caused a lingering soreness that was aggravated by movement, and caused her to be on a regimen of ten potions a day until her recovery. We learn the latter two details in the opening scene of chapter 38, which took place in the hospital wing. It sounds like whatever it did caused internal injuries.

When Harry was struck by the spell, the caster was not silenced, but Harry brought up a Protego shield in time to block it. Some of the curse still got through and hit his face, the effect was described as feeling like a blunt knife streaking across his face and the force of it knocked him sideways. We are never told that it left a mark on him or made him bleed, despite the fact that he felt it.

I take all of this to mean that, regardless of what the spell's intended effects are, the diminished versions of it that Harry and Hermione are hit with do not cause external wounds. So Hermione would have no scar.

If a fanfic plot depends on Hermione having a scar from it, it's not a big deal to mess with canon and give her one. It's also entirely reasonable, given the apparent internal damage the spell causes, to have it cause other internal problems (weakened heart, reduced fertility, permanent irritable bowel syndrome, twisted colon, ruptured spleen/kidney...), like in Redemption of the Black Sisters, if you want that to be part of your story.

It's quite possible that the spell is specifically supposed to damage internal organs. It may have been something that is supposed to damage the heart until it can no longer function, and she only survived because he had to cast it silenced. It could have left her with internal bleeding, bruised heart, damaged pericardium, etc.

[Taure]

According to canon, injuries caused by Dark curses can not be fully healed, or at least the damage caused can not be undone. This is why Harry's scar could not be removed. This is why Mad-Eye is so horribly scarred. This is why George's ear, cursed off by Snape, could not be regrown.

You're forgetting something: in HBP, Snape was able to heal the effect of the Sectumsempra curse that Harry used on Malfoy - the same curse that was used to cut George's ear off.

Thus, we can surmise that with the correct counter-curse, Dark magic can indeed be healed. Apparently Snape never shared the counter to Sectumempra, so no-one could repair George's ear. Dolohov's curse, however, may be more common/well-known, so Hermione may have been able to be healed completely - which indeed seems to be the case.

[Charmed Writing]

I personally agree with Warlocke if Hermione was suffering external dammage JKR would have surely mentioned it. Now these are the questions people should be asking her in interviews. ie "WHY THE FUCK WASN'T HERMIONE HARMED EXTERMALLY?" <-to JKR during an intense interview. :confused: Oh JKR how you confuse us so.

[Manatheron]

Harry Potter and the Redemption of the Black Sisters

Remind me, is that the one where she tore her shirt off and then broke down sobbing on Harry about being horribly scarred for life just before an adult walks into the room?

Edit: Fixed mis-spellings

[Heather_Sinclair]

You're forgetting something: in HBP, Snape was able to heal the effect of the Sectumsempra curse that Harry used on Malfoy - the same curse that was used to cut George's ear off.

Thus, we can surmise that with the correct counter-curse, Dark magic can indeed be healed. Apparently Snape never shared the counter to Sectumempra, so no-one could repair George's ear. Dolohov's curse, however, may be more common/well-known, so Hermione may have been able to be healed completely - which indeed seems to be the case.


If I remember right, and I could be wrong, I think when "Harry approached Malfoy in horror of what he'd done" (or something like that) He watched as Snape "slowed" the blood flow not healed him outright. I think he rushed him off to the hospital wing or something thereafter.

Granted, I only read HBP one and a half times so I may have my facts messed up and I don't have my copy handy at the moment. Can anyone check that out?

I frankly cheered throughout the scene until Harry got all emo about it. Too bad Snape was there.

[Taure]

Snape performed the counter curse 3 times: the first time, the bleedling slowed, the second, the skin started to knit together, and we're not told what happened on the last but judging by the previous trend I'd say it closed the wound completely. He then went to the hospital wing so as to not recieve scarring.

[Heather_Sinclair]

Snape performed the counter curse 3 times: the first time, the bleedling slowed, the second, the skin started to knit together, and we're not told what happened on the last but judging by the previous trend I'd say it closed the wound completely. He then went to the hospital wing so as to not recieve scarring.


Ah, thank you for clarifying. The only thing that stood out for me was the blood flow portion. I don't think I wouldn't agree with the scarring portion for the exact reason of "George's ear." We already have evidence that particular curse is not one that can be countered properly. But perhaps it was to further close the wound or maybe there was a leak.

Can't you picture it. Snape is kneeling there and a little fountain of blood spurts up in the air about three feet. He counter-curses, then another fountain of blood, he counter-curses, then another ... well you get the idea.

I think it would have made for better drama -- or comedy, whichever you prefer. I know I would have laughed.

Oh, oh, or maybe Dumbledore runs up there and from eight feet away another squirt arcs high and wide to leave a nice red trail down his robes. Snape counter-curses.

What do you think ... too "three stooges?" :banana:
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[Taure]

I don't think I wouldn't agree with the scarring portion for the exact reason of "George's ear." We already have evidence that particular curse is not one that can be countered properly. But perhaps it was to further close the wound or maybe there was a leak.

Snape specifically said that if they put Dittany on it then it might not scar.

[afrojack]

There's also the fact that we're holding up different types of injuries. Whereas George was struck in a relatively vulnerable place, one that would easily be severed, Hermione and Malfoy were both hit in the chest, which might take a considerably more potent curse to server or separate. In such a case, maybe certain areas of the body are more susceptible to certain curses and the healing required, or my preferred thinking, which is that because only relatively partial damage can be done to the torso, it is more easily healed than perhaps an amputation, such as George or Moody's case, would be irreparable.

[Warlocke]

...maybe certain areas of the body are more susceptible to certain curses and the healing required, or my preferred thinking, which is that because only relatively partial damage can be done to the torso, it is more easily healed than perhaps an amputation, such as George or Moody's case, would be irreparable.Or, you know, maybe it's simply more inconsistent nonsense from JKR, since she wouldn't know continuity if it bit clean through her mega-rich arse. :mrgreen:

[Heather_Sinclair]

Or, you know, maybe it's simply more inconsistent nonsense from JKR, since she wouldn't know continuity if it bit clean through her mega-rich arse. :mrgreen:

I don't know if I'd go that far, but there are some glaring inconsistencies in her stories. I've seen some highly paid and well known authors be much much worse. But for the popularity of this series you'd think there would be someone on her staff that does something other than say "OMG Jo, it's perfect!"

Hell, it's not like her or her publisher can't afford to pay off a dozen fanboys to sift through page after page and say "Hey, how come ..."

What I want to know is what the hell happened to Moody to have him as screwed up as he is ... I mean if all he had to do was rub a little Dittany on it. If I was an Auror I'd sure as hell be carrying a jar of that around ... whatever it is ... unless it's like a nice word for elephant cum or something.
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[Padfoot85]

You're forgetting something: in HBP, Snape was able to heal the effect of the Sectumsempra curse that Harry used on Malfoy - the same curse that was used to cut George's ear off.

Thus, we can surmise that with the correct counter-curse, Dark magic can indeed be healed. Apparently Snape never shared the counter to Sectumempra, so no-one could repair George's ear. Dolohov's curse, however, may be more common/well-known, so Hermione may have been able to be healed completely - which indeed seems to be the case.


Of course Snape never shared the counter....it's his fucking creation. He created this dangerous dark spell that slices very nicely. If he told people the counter curse than it reduces the effect of the curse by a lot. Also his ego probably got in the way as well. If he's the only one who knows the cure for that curse it makes your enemies think twice before attacking you. And he did what he wanted...took the secret of the counter curse to his grave.

[Taure]

And yet, you'd think he'd tell the Order the to counter it.

Also, there's no conclusive proof that Snape invented the Sectumsempra. We know he invented Levicorpus because we can see the process of spell-creation: the crossed out incantations. There is no such thing for the Sectumsempra, so he may have found it in a book and written it down.

Evidence for the fact that he dd invent it would be the fact that he alone seems to know the counter and his extreme familiarity with the spell.

Evidence against this would be that other characters (e.g. Kingsley) know of the spell, and yet since Snape hasn't told them his conter it's rather unlikely that they learnt it from him.

[Padfoot85]

And yet, you'd think he'd tell the Order the to counter it.

Also, there's no conclusive proof that Snape invented the Sectumsempra. We know he invented Levicorpus because we can see the process of spell-creation: the crossed out incantations. There is no such thing for the Sectumsempra, so he may have found it in a book and written it down.

Evidence for the fact that he dd invent it would be the fact that he alone seems to know the counter and his extreme familiarity with the spell.

Evidence against this would be that other characters (e.g. Kingsley) know of the spell, and yet since Snape hasn't told them his conter it's rather unlikely that they learnt it from him.


I was always under the impression that not many knew that Snape invented it, that he just knew the counter from being a DE. Kingsley and others would know of it from their encounters. Surely the recent struggles were not the first time that Spell was used against the order.

And he didn't tell the Order the counter because we're back to his pride. Why would Snape in all his ego share a task when he could do it for you?
And as long as the Order got the Sectusempra from other DE's he can play it off like he knows of the spell and not that he created it. Perfectly Slytherin if you ask me.

[Richardc269]

I'm going to post something to the first post here. I would have rather hoped Granger couldn't reproduce, then she couldn't disease the rest of the gene pool with her personality, because you know what she'd be like with effing kids. I wouldn't let her near my kids if I had any.

[Blaise]

Yes you would, 'cause you'd use your kid as a way to get closer to her - and in her pants. She'll grow up to be a closet freak with huge tits and wavy, tame curls. It's true.

[Richardc269]

why would I even want to get into her pants? She's fugly.

[Taure]

/me facepalms.

She's a fictional character. She's as pretty or as ugly as you imagine her to be. But if we want to go by canon, she's averagely pretty - not a stunner (except when she spends a few hours making herself look that with magic), but not ugly either.

[Demons In The Night]

/me facepalms.

She's a fictional character. She's as pretty or as ugly as you imagine her to be. But if we want to go by canon, she's averagely pretty - not a stunner (except when she spends a few hours making herself look that with magic), but not ugly either.We can surmise from her bushy hair that she has a hairy pussy, which is hawt. Emma Watson backs up this assertion with her recent upskirt pics.




http://miscellany.lolthulhu.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/hosie-hitit.jpg

[Spira]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Taure http://forums.darklordpotter.net/images_DLP_skin/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?p=218201#post218201)
/me facepalms.

She's a fictional character. She's as pretty or as ugly as you imagine her to be. But if we want to go by canon, she's averagely pretty - not a stunner (except when she spends a few hours making herself look that with magic), but not ugly either.

We can surmise from her bushy hair that she has a hairy pussy, which is hawt. Emma Watson backs up this assertion with her recent upskirt pics.


That's fucked up. And I wasn't aware that Emma Watson had any upskirt pics.

[Aekiel]

You must be new to the internet, here, have a look at goatse (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goatseoriginalpr9.jpg)... It's the only reasonable explanation I have for you not knowing that.

[Cxjenious]

You fucking asshole.

[Warlocke]

You fucking asshole.Ahahahahahahaha!

You're at least half right in regards to the link. The other half, I dare not speculate on. God, I remember getting tricked into clicking on a goatse link waaaay back when on IRC. Has it been nearly a decade ago already?

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4060/xp0n747enw8.jpg

Nope, it just ain't right. :p

[Solomon]

That image is beautiful, Warlocke. Truly, ignorance is bliss...

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c166/KefkasFury/Innocence.jpg

[Nukular Winter]

You fucking asshole.

I remember my first goatse...

Before you find out the hard way, go to Google and type in "Lemonparty" then "Tubgirl", then your education will be complete.

[Mirkwood]

I remember my first goatse...

Before you find out the hard way, go to Google and type in "Lemonparty" then "Tubgirl", then your education will be complete.

How about setting the tutors homepage to Lemonparty when it's on the interactive board, then sending out a netsend of the URL of Lemonparty, Goatse and Bottleguy only to have most of the college go on them.

Our IT technicians werent the cleverest of people.

[Aekiel]

You fucking asshole.

And my work is complete. Can't forget the BME Pain Olympics too, and SWAP.avi... They are the Final Bosses of the Internet.

[Solomon]

Meh. SWAP.avi is nothing. All it has going for it is length. So, yes, if you want to be bored to death, then watch SWAP.avi.

[Aekiel]

Then I personally challenge you to find something worse in the same category. 2girls1cup isn't that bad in comparison, and gore is a different kind of sick... and I'm not really that bothered by it, so what exactly is there that could be worse?

[Lindow]

Then I personally challenge you to find something worse in the same category. 2girls1cup isn't that bad in comparison, and gore is a different kind of sick... and I'm not really that bothered by it, so what exactly is there that could be worse?

Fat chick porn.:)

[Solomon]

I watched SWAP.avi after 2girls1cup. The latter was far worse.

Besides, you lose the shock value relatively quickly. 2girls1cup takes advantage of this by not being an hour long.

[Meredith_Rowena_Smith]

That is actually a good point, however, I always thought it was internal damage... Did JK mention blood, or am I being really forgetful?

[Roma]

Does canon ever make a definite statement that all dark magic can never be healed? Because wouldn't that mean that if you were hit by some type of dark cutting curse you would just eventually bleed out no matter where it hit you?

[pdo91]

Wow, this is quite the colorful thread. And quite the necro. :|

[Oz]

Kids in a sandbox > 2g1c.