i think the fool mis-interpreted Jiraiya's knowledge of breaking genjutsu as being an expert/specialist of genjutsu...

 

Jiraiya is not a Genjutsu specialist. Though to be fair he used his Hermit mode to cast one bad ass Genjutsu on Pain That should count on something.

PS
This story needs to be updated. It is to good not to be.

 

I rather prefer someone who works his way up to the top rather than someone who already has power. Because if that is true, it just gets boring.

For one, he trapped Itachi in the first season in genjutsu so powerful he had to use Amaterasu to break out of it. There is no way in hell someone who isn't a genjutsu specialist can know that kind of jutsu. It's like trying to learn how to jump before walking.

Thats a pretty stupid thing to say. Oro the killer? Jiraiya the fighter?! There all ninjas trained to kill. And the only reason why i said Tsunada is a tai specialist is because of her strength. What the hell is she going to use her strength for anyway? Other than flicking people out of her office that pisses her off?

And Ksai is right. Using that kind of genjutus on pein just screems Gen master, how the hell does someone knows something like that if he isn't a Genjutsu specialist? It's pretty obvious anyone can have more than one specialist style and all i pointed out was that tai, gen and nin in general. Not other style.

Oh i'm sorry?! What was that again? Calling me a fool for what exactly? Your one of those little shits who can't debate to save your own ass while ranting on how gay Kishi is for making Sasuke so powerful. What an idiot. If your going to insult do it preferably because frankly, i'll make you my bitch.

 

True but at least he is more powerful then kakashi.

 

*Spoiler Alert*



Naruto doesn't "beat down', Orochimaru in the Manga. Infact, if you take in the facts of the Manga's fight between the two... Naruto was on the slight 'loser' end of it all.

Throughout the entire fight, Orochimaru played around. He never took Naruto seriously until at the very end when Naruto performed a focused blast of condensed chakra at him, and even then, he used an expendable jutsu, that he had custom made.

The only reason Sasuke beats Orochimaru, is because Orochimaru is sick, debilitated, and pretty much already on his back. True, being a Shinobi is all about fighting with what you got... but Orochimaru was elite, still is technically because he's living on inside of both Sasuke AND Kabuto.

As well... if you look at powerscale... it's looking like Jiraiya is really at the top as the Toad Sannin. If he hadn't completely held back from the beginning of the fight til just before it was over, it's quite possible Jiraiya could of taken Pain down. As well, Jiraiya has always had the capacity to take Orochimaru down.

Back on track...

Naruto only held a candle to Orochimaru in their fight, because of the Kyuubi, and even at 4-tails... while he might of beat the Snake Sannin in chakra capacity, Orochimaru has years of experience, oodles of techniques, and the pure knowledge to back it all up. He's a jutsu-master, and utilizes them quickly and efficiently.

I'm looking forward to the next installment of this fic, while I don't particularly like the way Sarutobi is being displayed (he's always been one of more favorite characters/martyrs), as it's a really good read.

Keep up the work.

 

*This is my speculation, if I'm wrong then just show me HOW I'm wrong.*

I also have not read the manga in a long time, but from what I hear from friends is that Naruto is indeed stronger than Kakashi, but that is only true because Naruto completed the Rasengan that both Kakashi and the Yondaime could not. Then again, he's forbidden from using it ever again. Now thats kinda messed up. Remembering what I have read of the current manga, Naruto STILL sucks against genjutsu. His ninjutsu is, to our knowledge, limited to Kage Bushin and Rasengan (Although he can summon we have no idea if that is even relative to the story now as we never seen him summon since the Chuunin exam). And his taijutsu is from what I see in the images basically his street brawling style from when he was 3 years younger. Only thing he seems to have going for him is his supposedly high chakra. The Kyuubi chakra is nice and all but just hurts him more and shortens his lifespan. Though its kinda useless now that Sasuke can block Naruto's usage of it.

You know... I'm beginning to wonder. Naruto only relies on a few jutsu, sucks at defending against his senses and mind, hasn't seemed to get any stronger in any obvious way in almost 3 years, and his friends seem to be much better off in terms of overall strength. To me, sounds like a japanese equivalent of Harry Potter books 6-7, but without the Gin-slut romance. Though Sakura is hinted as his potential girlfriend, though not as strongly and not out of nowhere. Now I think I remember why I stopped reading the Naruto manga...

No wonder I like 'Across Dimensions', and other powerful Naruto stories, canon Naruto seems like he is way below average compared to everyone else. Looking forward to an update for this story. It really satisfies my thirst for a decently powerful Naruto.

 

No, it was not a genjutsu. it was a ninjutsu, particularly a summoning jutsu.

Genjutsu doesn't work on Sharingan users either. Never in canon has there been an instance where a Sharingan user, with the doujutsu active, ever fell for genjutsu.

I'm not saying Jiraiya doesn't know any genjutsu. I'd be really surprise with his rank if he doesn't know even the strong ones. what I'm saying is that he has basic knowledge in it, knows a few strong ones but he does not specializes in it, as in his fighting style rarely uses genjutsu nor is genjutsu the basis for his style.

here, he even say it himself:
http://img30.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000378/06.jpg

I agree with you that all ninjas are trained to kill. But between Jiraiya and Orochi, who's more willing to resort to death?

For example, in a mission to retrieve an object, I can very well envision Jiraiya beating the hell out of his opponents, leaving them unconscious and continuing the mission. If it was Orochi, I'd imagine him killing all his opponents just for the hell of it.

so by your definition, anyone with freakish strength is automatically a expert in hand to hand combat?

when you said Tai specialist, i compared her to Gai, who we all know is also a Tai specialist. The reason i said she wasn't a Tai specialist is that we've never seen her use a tai technique whereas we seen Gai, Lee, hell even, Kakashi, use various tai moves.

like i said, Tsu fights like a brawler. She knows how to throw a punch, but not hot to fight in hand to hand combat; she has no specific martial arts style. Also, she has super strength to offset her weakness in Tai.

First, i'm sorry for calling you a fool. it was uncalled for, meaningless, and infantile. but to me, your comment did sound kinda dumb and somehow noobish.

second, no i'm not a "little shit." and the only reason i rant on Kishi is how he makes Naruto seem useless. He's practically pulling a JKR!

 

Alright, hehe.

Naruto only has more Chakra Capacity then Kakashi, and perhaps stronger then him in his Tai-jutsu style. Naruto however is no where near as fast as Kakashi, has a fraction as many Jutsu's, nor capable of the various amounts of other things Kakashi can do to supplement his lack of Tai-jutsu strength, which he is still badass at.

The Rasengan is an S-Class Technique that was created by the Yondaime Hokage, and has only even been masted by Jiraiya and the Yondaime. Kakashi has never shown he is capable of performing the technique.

 

Ninja are more than tai/nin/gen specialists. Look at how the genin teams are set up. Kiba's team is obviously meant for tracking – Gai's for offensive tactics and cover fire – InoShikaChou are jack of all trades – Naruto's group is powerhouse/miscellaneous type...

Taijutsu is martial arts. Tsunade throws angry punches around brutishly. She's not at all a taijutsu master. Jiraiya summons and does ninjutsu. Orochimaru summons, does ninjutsu, and fights with kenjutsu. To be a "genjutsu master" I would think that Jiraiya would need to know more high level genjutsu – like Itachi, or even Kurenai (Jiraiya has never used one offensive or defensive genjutsu in battle).

Sakura was able to dispel genjutsu off herself and others – does that make her a "genjutsu master"? Hardly.

There is a difference between "fighter" and "killer" though you've simplified things for your own purposes.

Orochimaru is stealthy. He kills things in one strike. He is a "killer" or assassin. Jiraiya is easily a flashy attention man. He "fights" or draws attention to himself, fighting multiple ninja at once easily with his area-of-effect terrain-altering ninjutsu and massive summons. Tsunade is the healer, but also has defensive taijutsu to one-shot kill anyone who gets in her way.

I know the fundamental theory of calculus. Does this make me a "calculus master"? Even if I knew one ounce of advanced calculus, would that qualify me for the title? Jiraiya has gotten around obviously, so he knows things, but his style is obviously not genjutsu. He may know some advanced things about genjutsu, but that hardly qualifies him as a master, or even a practitioner.

Just because it "screams" something to you it doesn't mean bullshit. If all you have to back up your intuition is poorly articulated mush, then stop arguing and acknowledge that your opinion is unique to you and incorrect to the majority populace. Though I'm pressed to call your words "opinion" since we're not really talking literary criticism here, but objectional fact mongering.

Everyone but you seems to be calm here.

You're acting incredibly immature.

Your language "screams" twelve year old – stop talking like you're in some back alley with your "thugs" or whatever shit dellusions you have. This is the internet. Your tough guy talk means nothing here.

Moving on:

Naruto could never beat Kakashi in a friendly fight. He'd have to kill him to do it (killing someone takes less skill than controlling your power). And even then, Kakashi might be able to suppress the Kyuubi in some way, so I doubt Naruto could kill Kakashi even then.

Naruto is still pretty weak. He's probably mid/low-chuunin level (since we've not really seen a lot of chuunin action, this is just a guess) skill-wise. With the Kyuubi, he has the ability to keep up with jounin and endure kage-level enemies, though he has no way to truly defeat either.

This is more fanon. We don't really understand the mechanics of dispelling genjutsu more than the simple "kai" technique – however that works is still uncertain.

 

and another thing, it wasn't Jiraiya that casted the genjutsu used against Pain. It was the frogs he summoned.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/378/08/

 

Oujou's been trolling the naruto manga thread and getting the exact same beatdown because of his delusional views. Please stop hijacking this thread and let's bow down to the glory that is Taliath!

 

I agree. Oujou Akaash: The vast majority of the board disagrees with you and you couldn't sway any of them in the Naruto Manga Thread. So, why bother "arguing" and turning this thread in another pointless discussion of the manga? This is after all supposed to be a thread about Taliaths story...

 

nice! can't wait till Naruto and Jiraiya talk! by the way, Jiraiya is an awesome bullshitter. if only i had such talent...

anyway, great chapter. honestly, the ending does feel rushed, but considering that Jiraiya and Naruto really wanted to get out of Sandaime's presence, i'd say it's perfect.

 

Again, very good chapter. The best part IMO was Naruto lying Kakashi style^^. But I hope the message Naruto sent to Jiraiya was reasonable. Because I can't image Jiraiya trusting Naruto just like this.

 

With the way your chapters are going, the way you always want to know what happens next is a very good indicator that you're really plotting things out in advance. This in the older HP fandom is a rarity but in the Naruto fandom it's a damn miracle. Most authors have the attention span of a goldfish who rehash canon inputting "cool" and "original" sentences every once in a while.

Character wise your Naruto is clearly behaving like the genious that he should be given his training and status. A breath of fresh air. But perhaps you should tone down on the loud obnoxious idiocy a little bit. He is still a 12 year old after all and I can't see how he'd have much experience in acting like an idiot (canon!Naruto) with the upbringing he's had. But that's nitpicking.

I know it was part of the original plot but I felt since start that his unconditional support of Jiraiya in particular was a bit strange considering how suspicious of everyone else he's been. People change as he said and he has no idea how the Jiraiya of this world is after all. Or it's just a case of him convincing himself that Jiraiya will always be himself no matter the world. Faulty logic on the behalf of a character I can live with but I hope he realizes this flaw in reasoning sometime in the future.

That part was just odd, first part everyone's gone with Naruto standing there alone. Then just after Kakashi's suddenly back to say something before leaving.



Eagerly awaiting more interaction with Jiraiya and everyone else! Chap 3, part 1 was ace. You don't happen to need a beta by any chance?

 

Very nice chapter.

Jiraiya was great. And it would be even greater if there would be more of him later.

 

Isn't Jiraiya a super duper ninja?
I think even if he was that surprised he would not show such obvious clues to surprise as "His body froze. His thoughts jammed to a stop. His mouth dropped open."
I could see Naruto notice slight actions to show Jiraiya is surprised, like an increased attention to Narutos action.
Nothing too obvious that a civilian could spot in a moment.
It could be just me though.