I probably CAN'T fight it. If I could, I wouldn't have been behaving in ways that attracted it over the past two days in the first place. That in mind, I'd prefer not to build houses of cards that fall apart if I end up dead.

The other side of it is I was sitting checked out on a single scumteam. I have at least partially moved on from this since the whole Fable-and-blab-aren't-locktown thing happened.

 

DC didn't call attention to it. I've been yelling about this for a while.

 

Miner

These posts are both from yesterday so wtf are you talking about?

 

I mean, FMPOV it might mean Fable/blab :v

That aside, the plan might just be to get Miner mislynched and worry about tomorrow tomorrow (say, attempting to use that logic to get ME lynched tomorrow). Or we might be in 4scum with blab only.

To be fair though I do need him to respond to why he's doing that in case he actually DOES have a good explanation. One might exist that I've overlooked.

 

Fable, here's how it played out too;

Blab states he thinks we're almost always in a 4 scum world; States he thinks the solo scum is either myself or miner but strongly states he thinks it's me over mine, has Stanari as a potential backup scum read. Has DC as strong town. I ask him to elaborate on his DC town read, he later moves Stanari to strong town, moves DC to the pile of people and says he can "see" a Miner+DC scum team but town reads DC so he wants to go Miner-> (if Miner flips town) -> Me, Miner (If Miner flips scum) -> DC. There's very little actual analysis from him to back up this switch and it feels very pandery but still agenda-driven type comments.

 

I think he means I'd continue to ignore it in dC/blab world.

(I'm not gonna say I wish I WAS scum with blab, but it'd be a lot less embarrassing than having ignored this for most of the day >_>)

 

Like if you look at from both perspectives of "Does Blab win by making this play with DC" or "Does Blab win by making this play with Fable" the answer is yes in both cases since he gets a town Miner flip and knows I'll be mslynched tomorrow and has set himself up to be able to vote there easily. If you look at it from the perspective of "Does Blab really believe this as town", I kind of don't think the answer is yes? I think there's very strong reasoning he'd realise that points against me never being solo scum here and him never really whirling that around in his head despite him thinking it's the most likely scenario feels fake? The progression on how he's treated DC feels fake? It feels like he's just waiting for a Miner flip and a win.

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Anyway bed for me. pienyan, please read and consider my Blab points here.

 

I'm sorry how does the miner V flip set you up for a mislynch tomorrow when that would make blab look worse? That makes no sense?

 

Vaimes & Pie have expressed pretty clearly if we lynch Miner and he flips town today they're not voting outside of me tomorrow, Stanari has voiced suspicion towards me too and DC and Blab have both stated they scum read me. So um, how doesn't it? You reading a different game here?

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To be ridiculed post game about;

Spoiler

The scum team is Blab and Fable, not really. But really. Helap?

Okay really, bed.

 

No but I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only person left who knows how this game works. Also how is dC suspecting you and then voting with you at the same time?

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Jesus Reg it's like you don't want me to V read you at this rate. -_-"

 

Okay. One more post then I'll go to bed.

My huge concern here is that I've been able to follow your thought process and reasoning, found you super reasonable about most things this game but your stance on Blab being town today and your sheer confidence on it being DC/Miner feels, wonky? As does how you're approaching the fact that I'm literally having to pour my heart out to try and get Vaimes/Pie to realise they're wrong about me and you're just going "I'd help if you looked like getting mslynched" and then you had a pretty weak actual defence of me after I'd prodded you about it.

Like I'm sitting here looking at 4 possible scum teams that I'm confident are the only ones that exist and looking at both of those facts and thinking "Huh" "This feels odd".

If you've got a strong reasoning for town reading Blab, I"m all ears dude. Like seriously, I'll listen and consider to whatever reason you have for town reading him but the "he needs 3 mslynches" is blatantly untrue, he only needs 2 and it's not hard to see how a DC/Blab team gets that 2 mslynches.

 

tl;dr I think blab flipping town pins him and Miner as the scumteam, and the thing he pointed out makes me not entirely sure blab is town.

 

Okay let's say blab does flip wolf who's the other wolf?

 

Honestly? Probably you at this point. If he's mafia, blab's behaviour (building a lynch sequence that includes himself) makes the most sense if his buddy is safe.

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(EBWOP: Miner is POSSIBLE, since what I remember of his lynch sequence building had us reevalute if Miner is scum. But it's kind of unlikely due to hardbus. Either way, we'd have a spare lynch to sort it out)

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oh yeah and also I don't think blab/Reg is automatically off the table. Him switching the lynch like this is weird, but I could believe him taking any out he can get at this point, including his buddy. Setting you and me up as "the two possible scum with blab" contributes to this. However, I THINK this is less likely? I feel like scum!Reg with scum!blab just lets me lynch through Miner and then him and then gets done in for lynching town!Miner and being coaligned with him.

Still.

 

If miner can fit with blab OR Reg why would you not vote miner here?

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So let me get this straight dC you have everyone left as a wolf right now but you also put yourself in the lynching order for a plan that wins?

My brain is starting to break.

 

I mean.
By that logic, Miner/blab, Reg/blab, and Miner/Reg are all POSSIBLE teams so there's no compelling reason to pick out ANY one of them for voting.

What tips blab over the edge is my now unfavourable read and the fact that he has the bonus blab/Fable team that makes sense with him only.

In addition, if blab flips town it rules out all teams other than Reg/Miner FMPOV. By contrast, Miner flipping town just leaves us in an awkward spot (we can lynch blab who is almost certainly scum now, but then we're in a similar situation to today except without a mislynch). That's essentially a form of worst case.

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You might have noticed that I stopped doing that around the time I became unsure on blab! I was explaining my PREVIOUS behaviour to Miner, not my current stuff.

 

Why do you all suck at clearing yourselves?

 

Probably because the game is fundamentally set up so unambiguous clearing is generally impossible, and we're nearing the endgame so ambiguous clearing is dubious at best.

I mean. Literally anything I say could be a ruse? That's kind of how it works?

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(although it sounds like you have some specific problem with what I just said, so out with it :V)

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anyway I also now need to go sleep. We probably shouldn't hammer early given how things currently are.

 

Also I understand Reg pretty much not at all today? He comes into today wanting to lynch miner, then he votes dC with me and now we're on a crusade to lynch blab for some reason because he wants to tinfoil the blab/me world. Meanwhile saying "it doesn't matter what happens cuz I'm being mislynched tomorrow." Well if that's the case it's because nothing you're doing is making any fucking sense today.

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No that was just out of frustration because I thought I had it figured out with you/miner but Reg wants to make my life difficult for some reason while meanwhile you and miner don't look any better to me so fuck if I know what's happening in this game.

 

RWBY Mafia Votal 5.5.

Miner [3]: Stanari, Blab, Pienyan.
Blab [2]: Reg, DC.
DC [1]: Fable.
Reg [1]: Miner.

Not Voting [1]: Vaimes.

With 8 votes alive, it will be 5 votes to soft lynch and 6 votes to hard lynch.