I disagree? I think the fact that I mentioned D3 we're mass-claiming D4 and that I asked Cobalt to claim should make the "Cobalt decided to make up his own claim at the time" type argument implausible to believe? Like how does that ever happen? "Cobalt, I've asked you to claim in the thread, use this claim I've prepped for you" "Naw, going to make up my own claim out of nowhere", "Cobalt posts claim", "Cobalt can you point to the breadcrumbs of the claim / why you didn't claim earlier" "Cobalt vanishes". "Cobalt claims tracker on Pie" "I go, this makes sense with setup speculation, Cobalt is probably legitimate". Like how the fuck is that a thought someone considers as the most likely scenario on the game?

 

Look, pie, if you think Reg is town you can just do the same thing I'm doing. Lynch blab, then if blab flips town then push dC/Miner as confirmed.

I want you to consider what happens if Miner flips town. Vaimes gets nightkilled, we lynch blab, blab is scum, then you probably get nightkilled and we're left with dC/Regfan/Fable/Stanari. Do you think we win that world?

I mean if you're COMPLETELY convinced Miner is scum and blab is town then fine, but I think most people don't agree with you there.

PREVIEW EDIT: see I think your mindset is currently "lynch Miner, if miner is town whatever town loses". This seems not good.

 

This is beyond tilting, have I been wrong a lot this game? Yes. Have I stopped and checked myself on a lot of the times I've been wrong myself? Yes. Pushed Kai, stopped back and reassessed myself came out with him as town; think the same may have happened with Miner today and possibly even with DC. Dropped town reads I had on scum, was it awful I had those to begin with, yes but I didn't strongly come out defending them day phase after day phase. Like at least recognise that I have been reassessing this game, have I had a good game here, no? I'll fully admit that and there's a few things I'm sure we'll talk about afterwards but I just get the impression that at least some of your basis for wanting Miner is. Yeah I'm not going there.

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Ignore hat post.

 

Because I 1. don't think it's anywhere close to 100% that Reg is town and 2. would not be anywhere near OK losing to a scum-Reg who chose to play this game in the way that he played it.

I think Miner is just scum and I think you all are severely overthinking this and second guessing yourself into oblivion with all of the world-building stuff you're doing.

 

FWIW Reg reassessing is ALSO part of why I want to lynch blab. I think he could fake a reassess if he really tried, and blab flipping scum demonstrates he ISN'T so it removes concerns about him as scum. Conversely, I think blab flipping town demonstrates he probably DID fake a reassess on Miner to get off the bus.

The more I think about it though, the more likely I think it is that blab just flips scum. He has very little of the urgency the rest of the thread seems to have. It's weird.

 

Yeah ignore #3243.

 

Like I don't think DC/blab is a thing just due to how DC's played off of blab this game day. And at this point after everything that has happened in this game, I simply am not going to entertain a potential Fable/blab team. So... ???

 

Aiaiaiaiii

 

OTOH, pie, I think your lack of worldbuilding means you're hedging too much and liable to walk into really bad worst cases.

Although I guess your perspective is just "Miner is scum and blab is town", but then why is it getting all tied up in stuff between Reg and me? Just stick with your hard Miner/blab read and own that rather than trying to specifically push Miner teams.

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...also build a towncase on Fable, please. He's ALSO lacking the sense of urgency everyone else seems to have, and blab/Fable feeling relatively at ease in this endgame state makes all kinds of sense >_>

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oh look Stanari is still town :V

 

I'm mostly doing this, the worldbuilding I have done is mostly just me attempting to think one step ahead after the Miner flip so that I'm not completely clueless afterward.

I've sorta got at this a few posts ago but I would not be decided on a Reg lynch tomorrow even if Miner were to flip town.

 

I kind of think there's a lot that makes sense if this is the team? I've made several posts detailing such. If you think there's a chance I'm town here I'd appreciate you at least contemplating this.

DC is right in that they both feel far too comfortable and Fables reaction to the Blab lynch wagon and my reassessment of him or consideration of this world felt way too touchy.

 

Scum-Fable hard bussed three of his partners, correctly put effort into calling me/Reg T/T and (my memory could be off but) it felt like he was a pretty pivotal part in Cobalt getting lynched over me D4?

I'm OK losing to that if he's scum.

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Like Reg, you can't just sit there and argue "oh Fable is a good wolf that's why he'd do everything he did as scum" and then attempt to go "oh I can't be scum, what is the scum motivation behind anything I've done this game!!11"

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*If* you think Fable's interactions point to S/S, then actually read them and argue the point - like what I've done with you and DC's interactions - but don't just handwave dismiss them.

 

Pie seems considerably more sane than everyone else.

 

I plan on doing this, I just haven't had time with these short deadlines and the fact that regardless of what I find in there I'm not planning on lynching him today. Like I'm not expecting you to say "welp, yeah I agree Fables mafia lets lynch him" just a "Yeah, I'll keep my mind open on that". Can you at least agree that if you looked at his play this day phase alone and ignored whatever interactions he's had with scum and so forth that the way he's handled his read on me/blab/the day phase in general..feels wrong?

 

I'm still stuck on Miner taking weird swipes at me today honestly.

 

I mean surely we'd lynch blab tomorrow if Miner flipped town. Assuming we're talking about afterwards and who's scum with Blab though...

I mean I GUESS I could switch over on the logic that if Miner flips town we run through blab/Fable? But my impression is that won't actually happen.

Like, here's the thing. A Miner miss is very bad. A blab miss is less bad. I find blab scummier than Miner. I can imagine you finding Miner scummier than blab, but how much scummier to risk a Miner townflip and the ensuing disaster that is me/Reg/Stanari/Fable LYLO with almost everyone as a lynch candidate?

We need our mislynch intact to survive that. We don't need it as badly if Miner is scum because Fable at least becomes locktown.

I...okay this is why I wanted a towncase on Fable. When exactly did he start hardbussing each buddy? Was he actually PUSHING the lynches, or just quietly hanging around on them? Did he vote, or was he just doubtcasting? I feel like he didn't do really strong pushes on anyone.

(brb)

 

It depends on what Miner flips.

If Miner is town, as you seem to suspect, then I'm doing a hard reset tomorrow.

 

I'm about five seconds away from fucking annihilating dC.

 

Okay, lets move this conversation in a different direction.

What is your read on DC's play in the last 24 hours ignoring Miner/Blabs alignments?

 

Vote: Miner