I mean yeah given those wagons it would have to be citrus but that's kind of independent of Jari's alignment like I don't think there has to be two wolves there and keep in mind Vaimes was on owner earlier so you can say two witches voted Owner but not necessarily at the same time. But Wei is suggesting they're both EW or LW?

 

Basically, I read your opinion as "Citrus is scum with Jari" and Fable's as "Citrus is scum and Jari is town". There's no inherent contradiction in what Fable said, but I wanted to know if you had any thoughts about it given it seemed to be the opposite worldview to yours?

Like, I have a bunch of confusing thoughts on Citrus, Jari, AND Fable and I figure you two hashing out that difference might help cut through it a bit.

 

Oh I see. Well my impression is that given my Citrus inference is hinged on Jari being a witch, I don't think "Jarizok town, Citrus scum" is totally incompatible with that. At least, I don't see a malicious/scummy reason behind the mismatch.

I also have complicated thoughts on Citrus tbh. On a 'behaviour' (as opposed to 'actions' like votes etc...) level, I actually had a gut town read on Citrus. But given in the Jari/dC duo I'm more leaning towards Jari being the witch, and looking for possible partners for Jarizok, it'd probably most likely be Citrus?

 

Yeah, I think I'm in a similar boat. His play since D1 has been fine but PoE is a harsh mistress...and honestly even just in a vacuum being first on Owner is questionable.

Out of curiosity, why is there necessarily a scum in me/Jari? b/c part of my complicated thoughts are "town!Fable might be right about Jari and scum!Fable would probably bus the shit out of a partner flailing to the degree Jari is" and following that line would make me and Jari both town.

 

Uh, this reasoning doesn't make any sense.

Even if people think you're scum, you could be spilling tons of wine everywhere so it doesn't really make any difference who you are voting for.

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I mentioned this earlier in my re-read of you I think. Obviously not knowingly aligned I think but:

This isn't as true now that Jarizok became a big wagon and some people did bring up Jari's case on you as a reason he's a witch. But like during D2 when you kept prodding people for opinions on Jarizok's case on you, it didn't seem like people were trying to make it more of an argument/make you tunnel Jarizok which I feel scum would have tried.

 

Hmm...that's an interesting point I'd kind of overlooked before. I guess I feel like that's not every scumteam's style, though? Hell, Fable broke up a v/v fight in RWBY rather than trying to antagonize it further.

That said, it IS part of my scum style at times so I can see where you're coming from. Doubly so since Vaimes pointed out the Jari wagon after me was all, like, townfirms and shit, so they weren't shit-stirring, and there wasn't really much of any interaction with my Jari push short of beru affirming a continued interest in the Jari lynch.

So...yeah ok if Jari is town then scum either didn't notice or didn't care about the push, which is less likely than the alternative, which makes Jari more likely scum. I can see that. Fable --- Agree? Disagree? (With the underlying logic, not necessarily with how it applies here, although that too)

 

I mean I'd welcome any sanity checks on this.

Yes true, but out of a whole scum team I feel there would have been some interest in doing stuff there?

 

Forgot to mention this last night; just add this to the list of beruru behavior that's appearance-centric.

Like, what is more likely, that beruru read "Hard claim Town Agent" and then literally stopped reading, or that she's been doing what she's been doing all game, posting stuff like colored votals and talking about mechanically dubious worlds, or dressing up "literally playing mafia" as a whole special Thing (the Question Time thing), that looks like it's going to lead somewhere, and then... doesn't.

You all realize that this is what you're going to get for the entire game, right? She's going to keep doing this 10,000 word interpretive dance, but from my point of view it's never going to actually land anywhere.

Recommend the Hunter take a real long look here.

 

Hi Newcomb.

beruru is town. I read her past games way back on D1 and feel like I have a p good grasp of how she plays.

Please believe me unconditionally, and let that be the only lazy thing you let me get away with.

Because mafia have already shot my Never Lynch townreads, I don't need the Hunter doing it too.

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My new goal is to carry me/Newcomb/owner/beruru to endgame so mafia run out of mislynches.

 

Huh, mind talking me through your read on me Miner?

Also I was just thinking and realized - do angels even know the identities of the little witches? Because they might not, which messes with some stuff...

 

They probably won't know until they move into the Covem.

 

Vaimes, if you think you can take both the outted agents to endgame you must actually be dreaming.

Anyways, I don't think two-year old meta should be used on beru. I'm pretty much treating beru as a blank slate player, and her behavior thus far has been extremely ????????

Hence, I wanted to CFD her.

I still think she should be lynched at /some/ point in the game, but now we're just running up Jari and telling the Hunter to shoot Fable because lol consensus.

There's still time to build the counterwagon on Citrus. I'd like those people who are townreading Citrus like at all (can be tone, gut, or even just "lol he can be town because these people are scum") to explain to me Citrus's CFD behavior D1.

Super confused about a lot of things.

 

I think it should. She hasn't played much (if at all) in years, so I highly doubt her play has evolved much. The only new thing that she's doing now is typing properly.

Hell, her activity and post count alone point strongly to townruru.

I thought owner was scummy as all hell, the scumlord to rule them all, and oops, she's town.

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As for getting the agents to endgame, I figure coven is too chicken to risk bouncing the kill on one of them, since their roles are unknown.

 

Miner

I can make the question more specific - can you talk me through your read's progression on me? Because it feels like you flipped it on a coin with 24 hours left based off something that happened a week ago, and I'm confused as to where it's coming from.

Can you also post an updated read-wall please and thanks?

 

Sure.

I distinctly remember the CFD on Jari in HP mafia. Scumteam of me, you, and Jari. I think it was day 2 or day 3, and I think everyone at that point was like "yo let's lynch Majube", but then she claimed doc so town was running around trying to find someone to hang.

And then fluff starts a CFD on Jari (Which, by the way, is why I'm reading fluff town here, I don't think he starts the CFD on tom the way that he did D1 as his scumbuddy). And it begins to gain traction. And all the while I'm pretty sure you and Jari were freaking out or something in scumchat and I was AFK.

And then I come back like an hour before deadline, read the thread before reading scumchat, and decide that I had to stick to my guns (I'd been "tunnelling" Jari that entire game) and vote Jari, which I believe brought him to soft. The counterwagon (owner? I don't remember who it was) was at like L-3 or something. You (Citrus) voted for the counterwagon at some point with some similar sketchy reasoning as to what you provided D1 here. And then you should've one hundred percent been lynched that game because lol what was that vote, but somehow you managed to escape through combined mechanics shenanigans and the fact that there was a hidden SK (Drome?
who then was replaced by Proph?) everyone thought was scum.

And I'm getting a lot of red flags from your play here that remind me of that game and wolfing with you. Your activity, which is your self-admitted way of getting townread. But that activity coincides with a lot of questionable votes and I can't exactly follow your line of reasoning all that well.

And then there's the fact that you kept bouncing up and down my reads, and I was super unsure if you should be the lynch both yesterDay and toDay.

This pinged something I noticed playing with you in HP mafia, was that you were pretty good at defending yourself from cases, or at least pushing off your lynch for yet another day. I remember making a note to myself after that game (which ironically wasn't used until now because lol hiatus) that I should be wary if Citrus has done super scummy things but isn't getting lynched immediately, because he can keep pushing off the lynch for a long time, whether because mechanics or just how you play.

There's just a lot of things that I've disliked about how you've approached the game thus far, and I think you're a witch so....

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Updated readslist:

miner
Newcomb
owner
Fluff
Fable
Wei

Silver
Kai
Jari

dC
beru

Vaimes
Citrus

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One of the people in orange can be town, I'd probably lynch through the reds, and I never want to lynch the agents and the dark greens.

Do note, however, that Fable can and should be the Hunter shot. If only to clear worlds because people are super into tunneling Fable for his admittedly weird play this game.

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In the event that deadline somehow occurs while I'm asleep, please please please consider Citrus at least?

Like I don't have the ability to go through and find all my stuff about Vaimes right now, but at least consider Citrus?

 

Yeah, so, I'm not going to get to all of the isos. I'll probably look at Jari first since he's the wagon.

Could I get a whole reads list thing from you, please?

 

Witch Hunt #9: Halt-Time Edition!

Votal 3.1.

Jari [7]: DC, Owner, Newcomb, Vaimes, Fluff, Kai, Wei.
DC [2]: Jari, Fable.
Fable [1]: Citrus.
Citrus [1]: Miner.

Not Voting [2]: Beru, Silver.

With 13 alive, it will be 7 votes to soft lynch and 10 votes to hard lynch!

 

You can have my vote. You want me on beruru or citrus?

 

Miner: "Citrus was pocketed by tom" explains pretty much everything about his D1, including the CFD. As far as I'm concerned.

I've seen tom pocket townies in several games. It's a thing he does as scum to people he knows. He loves doing it, and it ties them together in the eyes of thread so if he does go down he can still get a mislynch out of it.