If the one other person that's okay with it is the person everyone thinks is witch what does that tell you?

 

EoD1 Votal (With Perfect Storm World Colours):

citrus (1): jarizok (#613)
fable (1): mallorean_thug (#708)
vaimes (1): owner (#1418)
beruru (4): miner (#876), fable (#1168), weiyaoli (#1285), tom (#1602)
tom (8): dichotomousCreator (#1562), his fluffiness (#1563), dyachei (#1579), beruru (#1581), kaiDASH (#1586), vaimes (#1588), citrus (#1623), rubicon (#1627)

Abstaining (2): newcomb, silvercrys

These are perfect storm (Wei isn't hunter) world colours, so they don't account for people who aren't dC/Fluff being LWs.

However, this Tom votal actually fits into the Perfect Storm world... perfectly.

People have been clearing dC and Fluff of being witches entirely because of the CFD on to an elder, but what if they thought I was an Elder, and forced the CFD on to Tom to save me?

I mean, it was day one. LWs don't know the coven. With no information, Tom looks like a mislynchable townie instead of a perma-lolcatting Elder Witch.

The other two Elder candidates never moved on to Tom, either.

If dC and Fluff actually are town, and Wei is the hunter, then Kai and Citrus hopped on at just the right time. I think Perfect Storm is a better answer for this, though.

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EoD2 Votal (With Perfect Storm World Colours):

beruru (1): silvercrys (#2600)
jarizok (2): owner (#2361), beruru (#2742)
owner (2): kaiDASH (#2699), mallorean_thug (#2711)
mallorean_thug (10): fable (#2073), weiyaoli (#2258), jarizok (#2450), newcomb (#2710), rubicon (#2718), his fluffiness (#2720), miner (#2722), vaimes (#2725), citrus (#2726), dichotomousCreator (#2741)

Mechanically, votes cast after Citrus voted don't count. For statistical purposes, however...

The fact that Mal was able to be hard lynched in a game with four live scum and two unclaimed Agents at this point is honestly the biggest evidence that this dude was town, for me.

In non-perfect storm (Wei is Hunter) worlds, this points to the LWs being Kai/Citrus. It's not even the accidental maj, tbh. Showing up at the end of a mislynch is just... it.

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EoD3 Votal (With Perfect Storm World Colours):

dichotomousCreator (1): jarizok (#3322)
beruru (1): owner (#3539)
weiyaoli (1): fable (#3668)
vaimes (1): miner (#3695)
jarizok (9): dichotomousCreator (#2918), newcomb (#3106), his fluffiness (#3443), weiyaoli (#3483), citrus (#3643), silvercrys (#3666), beruru (#3677), kaiDASH (#3708), vaimes (#3710)

... Kai's vote placement seems to suggest that Kai is LW (and therefore, Wei is Hunter) if it's not the perfect world.

Wei being the fourth person on the vote is making me crack up something fierce. Dude doesn't even know! He doesn't even know.

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Preview post edit: We have the day after Halftime to deal with it because Zealot doesn't learn who the holies are until end of night.

Kai, I think you need to reread the day without "Fable is always LW" blinders on.

 

I alone can save town.

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I don't understand????

Like

Day X ends with 8 or less alive

HALFTIME NIGHT
-decisions locked in
-Zealot learns info
-Other HT stuff happens

Day X+1 starts

Do you think witches don't have day chat or something? How is it not an issue for the immediate 'day after halftime' given what I've said?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1DcD8e55YY

 

Angels were bad, and it played into scum's hands perfectly?

... or an Illusion Kill was used to make town think that Angels were bad, with the intent to direct the Hunter shot on to town?

Perfect Storm world is more unlikely than Wei just being Hunter, tbh.

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Kai, you don't have an alibi, but you do have knowledge, right?

If you know that you have knowledge, what does that mean to you?

Do you understand why Fable wouldn't have made those kills?

Do you understand why, if Fable is a LW, he can't have access to a kill?

Do you understand why, if Fable is a LW, then Wei already has to be Hunter?

 

I don't understand a single thing beru is saying.

 

This is because you have an alibi for not being Coven, but not knowledge.

If you had knowledge, you would understand.

... but you could still have made that hunter kill if you and dC were LWs together.

 

So a towntell isn't "the scenario in which player B is town", it's "things that if done by player B indicate that player B is town". Like, I'm not sure

I'll admit to some level of wanting to hold onto you as a scumread, but it's mainly b/c you're my last one that doesn't appear to be resolving itself (like Fable is) and I've got no clue what else I should be doing/can find time to be doing other than pushing on you. I don't suppose you've got a non-Fable, non-weiy place I could look?

As for town!mal, I'm not sold on it? Like, I'm not sold on witch!mal either but I'm not seeing how we can have any decent confidence level in the alignment there given the whole turbolurking thing.

ok I actually don't like this because the answer is fairly obvious (if the assassinate fails you're outed scum and we just lynch you) and so it kinda reads like "hey better not assassinate me!!!"

Note to self --- give in to doing the stupid thing

...oh, maybe not :/

Assassinating Fable is...I think mostly equivalent to lynching him. So we should either do it or commit to not lynching him at all, because I think esp. given he's Zealot it is Very Bad if we end up deciding to lynch him later. At best it's just "he's scum but we didn't kill him", at worst he's the XYLO mislynch, and somewhere in between is "he's scum and we believe him when he says a scumbuddy is holy"

Given that, I think I want him assassinated.

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oh yeah also I'm not sure why beru thinks my LW play would be advocating the entire Little Coven suicide to HOPEFULLY rescue an Elder and kill an unproductive townie

 

I'm kinda chill with Fable.

 

It's not that bad until the person you're trying to save flips.

If Tom had been town, what would have happened to you? Coven would have bussed you, probably. However... that's still of benefit to them. Nobody expects the Coven to bus someone in the Agent/LW pool.

 

Except that'd ALSO happen to fluff, so RIP Little Coven. (Also no it's pretty terrible if you CFD someone who ends up being town. From what I've heard you immediately get run over afterward)

Like. I could maybe see your point if your proposed Little Coven had ONE Tom CFDer. But two?

 

Well, then Wei is the Hunter, right?

 

I'll be honest, I'm not following your chain of logic. I feel like your assertion that "other scum would have made different kills" is inherently wine and not the sort of thing you do lock worldbuilding on.

 

I guess it could be wine, but it would be bad wine.

Like how Kai shooting Fable no matter what anyone else says and leaving 24 hours for "discussion" even though he's already decided is wine, but bad wine.

 

What does "bad wine" mean? Like, scum doing highly suboptimal things just in order to confuse town?

 

Intentionally Bad Plays Hunt, yes.

(This is different from Mechanically Bad Plays Hunt (this is Kai) and Intentionally Mechanically Bad Plays Hunt (I don't think this has happened yet this game.))

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All of these things fall under Fancy Play Syndrome, too.

 

How is the Miner/Silver kill pair intentionally bad play? (sorry if you explained this before)

oh yeah also related to what Fable said earlier assassinating wei and drawing conclusions if it fails wouldn't work because him and the third Elder could just have swapped claims.

 

? It's not intentionally bad play if specific people are the Hunter.

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I mean, how do you swap claims with a role that has to have gone off last night??? Unless we're in selfkill city, that was not last stand.

 

I mean.

Hypothetical world: Witch X is hunter, weiy is idk Ranger
Witch X activates last night
How is this world observably different from your proposed world where weiy is Hunter and Witch X is Ranger?

As for intentionally bad plays...okay. For which players as scum was the Hunter kill an intentionally bad play, and why?

 

Like, from my understanding of the game...

Wei is always Coven. The only thing that changes is whether or not he's the Hunter.

If he's the Hunter, then dC and Fluff don't have to be LWs.

If he isn't, then they are.

dC is correct when he says that dC/Fluff LW play doesn't make sense.

... so therefore, Wei should be the Hunter?

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Have you actually read the Day, dC?