He's got some level of leadership ability, or at least personal charisma, given the amount of times people chose to follow him into peril. Calling him the greatest general in history and the greatest leader to ever live is full on cringe though.

 

The only indication we have of what it would take to drive away so many Dementors comes from Hermione at the end of PoA, who is the one who states that it would need to be a very powerful wizard to drive away so many Dementors.

But if you look at the context of the quote this is clarified further - Hermione suggests that it could have been a teacher, meaning that "very powerful wizard" is not quite as exclusive as you are suggesting.

Further, she uses the phrase "a real Patronus" as synonymous with "powerful Patronus". This may mean that all she really means is that it would take a very powerful wizard to manage to create a corporeal Patronus - i.e. a real Patronus - at all under those circumstances. This would certainly line up with how Lupin described the Patronus to Harry in their classes as an anti-Dementor force, and the fact that we have never seen any hint of resistance from Dementors to a corporeal Patronus.

I would suggest that any corporeal Patronus - i.e. a real Patronus - is able to repel any number of Dementors, and that the powerful thing is being able to conjure one at all.

 

This is how I see it. Bear in mind that the Headcanon Exception applies, I haven't read the books in years.

1st Tier: Dumbledore, Voldemort, Grindelwald; stuff of legends

2nd Tier: Harry post-series, Snape, McGonagall, Kingsley, Slughorn (when he makes the effort), Abe Dumbledore, Bellatrix, Moody, post-series Hermione, Lily(?); the best of the best, barring improbable legends of Tier 1, potential to move into the 1st Tier, but not a rule that they will

3rd Tier: book timeline Harry & Hermione, James, Sirius, Remus, Lucius, the general membership of Aurors, DEs, the Order (except Molly, fuck Molly), Tonks, people like both Crouches and Scrimgeour; very good, not great

4th Tier: DA - extrapolate from there

5th Tier: everyone else; beyond this point I don't care to differentiate - I'd put both Mafalda Hopkirk and a firstie at Hogwarts into this category

 

Harry Potter is an athletic prodigy. It has nothing to do with Quidditch. Only an idiot could read the Harry Potter series and not see that he is an athletic prodigy.

You goddamn moron.

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Hyperbole.

 

Okay, perhaps I'm being goddamn moronic, but it seems to me that nothing Harry does in the books is a feat indicative of any particular degree of athletic excellence beyond what the average person is capable of. I can't recall anything in the books I couldn't have done at the same age Harry had done it, physically speaking, and I was never in particularly good shape.

 

Bruh. Hyperbole.

 

At the age of eleven you had the athleticism to jump on top of a 10 foot tall mountain troll?

At the age of twelve you had the athleticism to outrun a 60 foot basilisk, wield a sword and swing it with enough force to penetrate through a basilisk?

At the age of 14 you had the athleticism to outswim a professional athlete who is a foot taller with half of his body transfigured into a shark?

There are more examples, but yes, Harry is an athletic prodigy. That much is crystal clear.

 

Fookin' magic. Don't even try to persuade me Harry managed that on his own physical merits; the world record for high jump is something like two and a half metres.

Luck, plot armour and pants shitting fear. And the sword was fookin' magic.

Krum was a F1 driver, not Michael Phelps, and Harry had been turned into a water breathing fishman. See above: fookin' magic.

Hit me with those other examples. Ten bucks says they can be explained by fookin' magic.

 

Obviously, it has to do with Magic. No muggle could equal those feats.

Yet, he is able to ecplise even other Wizards in athleticism.

We already see his reflexes are on par with Voldemort, a genetically enhanced Wizard, and vastly superior to the average Wizard, which can be seen during the Battle of the Seven Potters.

And Harry outswimming Krum was impressive, since, at the time, Harry was a foot shorter, and Krum was transfigured into a shark, Harry having fins does not diminish this accomplishment, in any way.

Time and time again Harry shows impressive physical abilities that are levels above anyone else. And he did most of them while scrawny, untrained, and short.

 

Wait, so is it magic or athleticism?

You mean that battle where his wand connection to Voldemort saved him? Ima need some specifics on this genetically enhanced business too. Last I checked Voldemort was a Wizard, not a scientist.

You know it was Krum's upper body that was transfigured, right? He didn't have any of the shark body parts that a shark gets its swimming power from.

Wait, was he a paragon of athleticism or was he short and scrawny? I'm getting a little confused here. SHIT! I know! He just needs to start doing laps along with a bunch of push ups and sit ups. He should be able to get ripped enough from that to drop panties at 500 yards in say, summer break?

 

At this point, you're either an idiot, or just trolling.

Oh, and I was referring to Harry's reflexes when fighting against Death Eaters during the Battle of the Seven Potters. Read the books.

 

If anyone is trolling it would be you.

 

I fail to see how making mention of Harry Potter's abilities is trolling.

His nigh unparalleled reflexes are shown throughout the series multiple times, through Quidditch and Dueling.

His countless athletic feats, such as being the only person in the Battle of the Department of Mysteries to go unscathed, are shown throughout.

Harry was always meant to be an individual with great athleticism, even in spite of physical shortcomings.

 

OR plot armor.

 

If you credit every feat, athletic or otherwise, of the characters in the series, to plot armor, then one could easily come to the conclusion that Dumbledore and Voldemort are just average Wizards who had "plot armor".

However, Harry's athleticism is shown far too often to simply discard, the same with Hermione's intelligence.

 

Are you comparing Harry's athleticism to Hermione's talking head syndrome?

Edit:

If you can't make your point clear don't blame me for not reading the books. What you actually said was:

So were you referring to his reflexes against Voldemort, or against the Death Eaters?

 

Someone has got to call you out on your bullshit sometime.

No. Not at all.

Dumbledore was widely considered the most powerful wizard of modern times. He fought and beat the Dark wizard Grindelwald. Voldemort was the most powerful Dark Wizard of his time. He was a child prodigy. He brought an entire nation to its knees.

JKR established their skill so that when they showcased it, it was expected. Harry, on the other hand, just magically gained competence or got lucky when the plot needed him to.

Harry was a kid whose claim to fame was that Mummy knew a powerful spell.

Let's take a look at these feats of yours.

Spoiler: Snippet

Harry then did something that was both very brave and very stupid: He took a great running jump and managed to fasten his arms around the troll's neck from behind. The troll couldn't feel Harry hanging there, but even a troll will notice if you stick a long bit of wood up its nose, and Harry's wand had still been in his hand when he'd jumped -- it had gone straight up one of the troll's nostrils.

Howling with pain, the troll twisted and flailed its club, with Harry clinging on for dear life; any second, the troll was going to rip him 141 off or catch him a terrible blow with the club.

Hermione had sunk to the floor in fright; Ron pulled out his own wand -- not knowing what he was going to do he heard himself cry the first spell that came into his head: "Wingardium Leviosa!"

The club flew suddenly out of the troll's hand, rose high, high up into the air, turned slowly over -- and dropped, with a sickening crack, onto its owner's head. The troll swayed on the spot and then fell flat on its face, with a thud that made the whole room tremble.

Harry got to his feet. He was shaking and out of breath. Ron was standing there with his wand still raised, staring at what he had done.

Where did he jump off the troll? Nothing says he jumped off it anywhere. There wasn't anything athletic about that, damn it! It was clumsy and lucky.

Spoiler: Basilisk

The basilisk was moving toward Harry; he could hear its heavy body slithering heavily across the dusty floor. Eyes still tightly shut, Harry began to run blindly sideways, his hands outstretched, feeling his way — Voldemort was laughing —
Harry tripped. He fell hard onto the stone and tasted blood — the serpent was barely feet from him, he could hear it coming —
There was a loud, explosive spitting sound right above him, and then something heavy hit Harry so hard that he was smashed into the wall. Waiting for fangs to sink through his body he heard more mad hissing, something thrashing wildly off the pillars —
He couldn’t help it — he opened his eyes wide enough to squint at what was going on.
The enormous serpent, bright, poisonous green, thick as an oak trunk, had raised itself high in the air and its great blunt head was weaving drunkenly between the pillars. As Harry trembled, ready to close his eyes if it turned, he saw what had distracted the snake.
Fawkes was soaring around its head, and the basilisk was snapping furiously at him with fangs long and thin as sabers —

Oh wow! Look how athletic he was. Tripping over himself. Much athletic. Idiot. He had to be saved by a bird.

Spoiler: The Sword

Harry was on his feet, ready. The basilisk’s head was falling, its body coiling around, hitting pillars as it twisted to face him. He could see the vast, bloody eye sockets, see the mouth stretching wide, wide enough to swallow him whole, lined with fangs long as his sword, thin, glittering, venomous —
It lunged blindly — Harry dodged and it hit the Chamber wall. It lunged again, and its forked tongue lashed Harry’s side. He raised the sword in both his hands —
The basilisk lunged again, and this time its aim was true — Harry threw his whole weight behind the sword and drove it to the hilt into the roof of the serpent’s mouth —

Alright. He stabbed it through the mouth. Probably one of the softest and most vulnerable places in the snake. And also, do note, that it was swinging itself at Harry so a lot of the force necessary to puncture its mouth was generated by its lunge.

Where does it ever mention that Voldemort is genetically enhanced? Cite it.

Do you even know what athleticism means?

There is nothing athletic about him not being harmed at the Department of Mysteries. They wanted to capture him not kill him. Also, if anything, it would be magical skill, not athletic skill that kept him alive.

Jesus Christ man. You're so wrong on this. Just, please, stop.

 

No, you simply lack reading comprehension and the ability to understand context.

You are trying to argue that Harry, who has been repeatedly shown as a superstar athlete with incredible reflexes, is somehow not athletic and that it is only plot armor.

You are the most idiotic person on this thread. At least the others who disagree are able to read, you can't apparently even do that.