Story of the Year isn't a problem - it's when you have stories in categories that don't make sense. There are two issues:

-- Categories
-- People Voting

If you want to ignore that, that's fine - I didn't call for a recount and I'd appreciate it if you kept it out of my thread as I don't want to discuss why someone deserved it or not because frankly, I don't hold the opinion that DLP members believe Jbern is the best author since the majority of thepeople who help form this site and actually post here think his stuff was not #1 in a majority of the categories he won in.

That's that - don't bring it up again; if you want to discuss it, make a new thread; thanks.

Now, as for the people coming out of the woodworks - you've lurked and viewed the site. It's akin to the Indian who moved to China, watched India go from Suppressed bitch-state to Democracy and then decided to come in and help make decisions when he didn't contribute a damn thing to the fight.

It's extreme but you haven't done anything if you've got so few posts; it's really that simple. You may be intelligent, you may be a smooth person when it comes to analysing literature but that's not the point. It's all about the community and if you haven't made threads, posted often, discussed stuff ad nauseum, then you are just not a real member of this community.

Just because you joined doesn't mean you should vote, just like because you watch movies, doesn't mean you should be able to give out an Oscar. You have to contribute to the field, be involved, probably write a story or be a heavy analyst of it to even get a vote.

It's that simple. Now, I might even suggest increasing the post-count to 2 per 1 in the Library fields to encourage people to get involved in the point of our site. Bringing in, writing and finding stories of decent quality.

Eitherway, these awards were a disgrace. This thread shows that and no one in the chat or active majority expected MS and nonjon and whoever else is in that camp to not dissent that. It was expected, really and now that it's happened, we can move on to the more important correction of mistakes and perhaps even building this site to be more story-oriented.

 

A question to ask yourselves out there, “What is the purpose behind handing out Awards?” Are you doing this to recognize the authors? Are you doing this to increase traffic to the site and encourage more participation. There are many formats. Some like the academy awards, sports hall of fame have a restrictive membership of who are allowed to vote. Others like the people’s choice awards are open to anyone that wants to vote. So, what format meets your needs? Who defines your community?

An open format is essentially a popularity contest. Hey what do you know? I’m popular, big surprise. Must come from actually sitting at the keyboard and writing and interacting with the reviewers and other authors rather than hanging around in the IRC rooms stroking my ego.

To those of you that think it’s such a sham that I won and that my stories are shit and the various other insulting things you’ve said, I offer this challenge. Write something better, if you can. Put up or shut up. Perhaps there are some of you capable of rising to the challenge? Maybe even put some effort in the Work by Author section to help other authors out. I think the world of Shezza, Nonjon, JJ, Draco664, IP82, Jack and Kendra’s works and do my best to offer advice and support where I can. In a little over a year I have put up about 350K words and 47 chapters of two stories. What do you folks, who so quickly dismiss me have to offer as your great body of work?

So go back to your keyboards and write something that will make me say "Damn, I wish I wrote that." Other than the few authors I mentioned above, I haven't seen much lately that has made me want to utter that phrase. Change the format of the awards and make it as exclusionary and restrictive as you wish, I don't care. Do a recount, I still don't care. I'll be here next year for the awards and I welcome the competition.

To those of you that say my work isn't impressive - prove it. Write your own tales.

Jim

 

ZIP ZOP ZOOPITY BOP

Edit: My greatest work and my masterpiece is HARRY POTTER AND THE ATTACK OF THE CLONES; have you heard of it? Cause it's BITCHIN'.

 

Congrats JBern. Your stories are very well written and deserves to win in some category, but even you have to agree they you also won in some questionable categories.

Everyone, the awards are over and we will have too wait a years until Santa comes again, but in the meantime let not turn this into a Vorlon666.

Edit: That counts for everyone and I don't mean that JBern is like Vorlon666.

 

I agree with this.

I have nothing against Jbern and in reality I really like his stories. However, it seems like based on the findings of this thread in the future some sort of revising should be done to the awards.

 

Which is the point. I said it once, I'll say it again. I don't give a fuck about who won other than categories won in were disgraceful. The awards are thus, a disgrace.

Move on. Discuss the proposals only - create a new thread to bitch if you can't do that.

Thank you.

 

Yet in each of your posts your words tell the real story.
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From post #1 in this thread - Your reputation isn't taken into consideration but it's obvious that these awards were not decided by this community but by a bunch of chumps who probably take up the bulk of the posts in the Jbern-fappery palaces that have become his threads in the Library and Author Works sections

From post #8 in this thread - Eitherway, I think Jbern's stories are pieces of shit, no doubt - but my disgust with the awards would be the same….

From post #41 - …as I don't want to discuss why someone deserved it or not because frankly, I don't hold the opinion that DLP members believe Jbern is the best author since the majority of thepeople who help form this site and actually post here think his stuff was not #1 in a majority of the categories he won in.
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Every post you find some way to slide an insult in there, but I'm sorry I forgot, this is really all about improving the awards for next year.

Post #43 is supposed to be an insult, but I don’t get the point of it. You cite that I joined before you, am older than you, have more posts than you but half your vaunted reputation. Then you trot out a story you did 2 years ago. You haven’t written anything over 10k since. What have you done lately?

Oddly enough the post I am replying to is the only one that doesn't contain an insult.

So know that your hypocrisy has been pointed out, we can return to your stated topic of improving the awards for next year.

Decide what is the purpose of the Awards. Is it to draw attention to the site? Encourage Participation? Or Recognise the Authors?

Set limits for entry dates and size limitations. Best story under 10k? Best story under 50K? Over 50K? Maybe break it up by stories completed versus WIP.

Finally decide who will vote, the general populace or set a threshold for membership and activity.

Jim

 

Context is essential

It was in response to an aforementioned post questioning if we were just targeting you.

They were. And it's evidence as to why people need more posts and to be more involved in this community. People have not given any positive ideas in your threads other than the usual "Great job!" and "this is so great", everything contrary to what DLP is about and what we strive not to be like (FanFiction.net Reviewers).

Context is key again and I really don't see an insult - it's the truth. This thread is proof of it; categories need to be reshuffled and new rules need to be adapted. Your stories shouldn't have won in certain categories, simple as that.

The 43rd post of this thread was just insulting you - I'm good at being mean, you see. And the trotting out of my story was in jest, really, as plenty of people have fapped it to death and cried that it's the greatest crossover and I believe the contrary.

Point? Perhaps that popularity is nothing and that's why a popularity contest should be curtailed as much as possible.

Moving on beyond the bullshit, the point of the awards is to recognize what we feel are the best stories. It's a discussion of epic proportions - we'll disagree on things but one thing needs to be certain: it needs to be a community effort and once again, I'll trot out the fact that 33% of the people who voted are not real members, as far as I'm concerned.

As for making it complex - 10k, 30k, 50k or whatever - that's silly. Simplicity is often enough complex, demonstrated by this revolution, and the error can be fixed by limiting nominations to encourage thought of other stories and making certain that members who contribute to this community with posts that keep this forum from being dead decide what stories DLP feels is best.

Because I really want Kinsfire to come here and vote since he's registered and has been here. Because I think he's a real DLP member? That example should be enough.

 

350's way too high, ever since the advent of IRC alot of folks posting have dropped alot, and alot of the new folks tend to lurk or just come into IRC when they have something to share

The idea is someone who contributes to the site having their opinion voiced. I honestly can say I've no idea who the hell you are, no offense intended, and I'm aware with most everyone that adds anything remotely constructive to the board.


Jbern and Bio take your shit to Pms, or IRC where we can be entertained without the board clutter.

Jbern the discussion isn't meant to insult your personally, but considering the results, it looks like the votes were jerked around a bit, the voting system was fucked, and I've had a great deal of folks complain about it, both to me personally and in IRC. Bio didn't bring this point up on his own, he was just the first to bring it to the board to be addressed. Bio's just trying to discuss it, where as others are content to just do it differently next year. Don't take it personal if possible

 

Agreed, Take your dicksize compairions to private. And 350 is too high. Id suggest 250 and at least one full month of ACTIVE, intelligent, and valuable membership.

 

Hmmm. Well now we're making progress. What makes a 'member'?

I do say they have to be active, but I also see merit in the people who chill in IRC. Having said that, I think 100 posts as a minimum, and a month on the boards.

I don't know thought. Right now, we're in numbers crunching, which isn't my forte.

 

I disagree with the part where a story can only be nominated for a certain amount of awards. You stated that it'd work by having the author decide which nominations to accept. But that doesn't work. What if the author doesn't come to this forums? What if Naia's nominated for a bunch of awards? Are we going to ask her to grace this forum with her/his presence?

The only other option is for members to vote which nominations an author should accept. And the truth is, that'd add several weeks and a lot of work that - to me - is really unnecessary to the process.

Edit: I have a feeling inside of me that this thread's going to be locked - there's going to be flamefest soon.

 

Alright, since no one seems to be getting it, I'll spell it out.

When I said 350 posts, I was just being sarcastic in response to Bio's original suggestion (he has 320 posts or something like that). I was trying to point out how it's easy to discuss quotas when you think you're above the cutoff line.

Not that I have anything against the voting requirements, if that sort of isolation is what the majority wants. If you need a realistic requirement, how about a top 300 posters on the members list? Kinda like the Spartan elites (the symbolic). Right now, that's everyone over 42 posts.

 

A realistic requirement? What on earth? It doesn't have to be anything but based upon involvement with the site. If you don't think 50 posts is a decent minimum to prevent people like Kinsfire or the random douche bag who's done nothing for this community from voting, fine.

It's amazing how you knuckleheads always bitch about the unfairness I bring to the table - all the meanness and hurt and all the problems I cause (oh no) - but it's alright for you to be sarcastic and not even contribute to the thread and derail it with a nonsensical post that no one picked up on nor cared about.

We don't need Dr. Phil or Albert Einstein-wannabes with stupid ass example posts that show us the light concerning our mistakes; just counterposts and progression from there. We don't even decide concerning staff matters but it'd be nice to present something that's copacetic for most when it's obvious people object in some form or another.

If you can't handle it, take your ass to the For Review forum and subsequently the Trash Bin.

 

This idea has merit actually, or even do it so that the top 25% of the posters can vote.

I'm sure there would be a scramble of frantic post whoring in the week leading up to the vote but increased forum activity is always nice.

Generally it's the same 25 people that respond to a post. Me included.

 

More indepth on the 300 thing: I don't agree with limiting it to a specific number of people.

I think a simple "earned your stripes" achievement is what the site should shoot for. Number of posts, reputation, seniority. Whatever. Something along those lines. The administrators can sort out who's acting the fool and spamming to get his or her post count to the required minimum or whatever is required.

And besides, top three hundred? We had 250 people who voted. 300 may be a bit much. We may be wanting 100-150 people who actually hang around this site and do stuff actively enough to merit a DLP consensus and I don't think we should nitpick concerning who's more valuable when the numbers get up into that range.

 

And frankly, it's annually. The next one is in one year. If you can't gather even 50 posts by then, well then you shouldn't be allowed to vote. You have a year. It isn't that hard.

 

*Coughs* *Sure hopes this doesn't count as "Coming out of the woodwork"*
Ahhh...kekeke. Now we get all into the bitching. As has been said before:
GET IT INTO YOUR HEADS. THE AWARDS ARE OVER. RESULTS ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
DEAL WITH IT
Alright. My opinion on these requirements/guidelines of yours:
-Authors have only one story eligible for each category. They can have multiple fics up, but so that one really good/popular/liked author doesn't dominate...
I think we do need these requirements, but make it more like:
-Have been around site for 2.5 months. Maybe more. As has been said, if you just showed up, you're probably not really part of the 'community', per se.
-Have a rep of two. At least. Since the next awards won't be until next year, all the people around now are going to gain another one, and any newbies will end up with a chance to prove their opinion matters.
-Have at least 100 posts. Yes, you may be a great and intelligent person out of here, but do we know that, or care? No, not really. You've got to prove to the rest of DLP that your opinion is a valid and decent one.
-Have at least ten posts in the library. If you never look there, then...what are you doing here?!
-Not be an idiot. Basically, just make sure that you post intelligently at some point.

So...yeah. That's what I got.
And enough with the complaining. Blah. It's over. Done. Finite. Etcetera, etcetera. We get the picture.
kekeke. Cheers all. *RAWRS and goes back into semi-lurkdom*

 

What if we tried a nomination type system for the next awards. Anyone that wants to vote has to have 2 (or insert appropriate number here) people vouch that they are active and a help to the communit.

Damn might have just signed my own death warrant though