Still not home yet, but I’m thinking Asmo only claims if Leeroy.

Pretty sure anything else is susceptible to yoinking fonti’s role in the world where he’s a wolf here.

 

Depends on whether we're willing to no lynch if he claims Judge or not (a.k.a. how bad/likely is "he gets to yolosoup and we have to lynch him tomorrow instead" vs. how bad/likely is "we actually lynch the Judge" vs. how bad/likely is "everyone finds out Judge is alive")

I mean. given it's the world I'm living in and basically nobody is talking about it because I'm in the PoE, what I wanted was a run down of what things look like if I'm mechanically cleared :v

 

No wait then he just wouldn’t be souped with me.

Ehh. But if he’s town they could leave him alive and just mislynch him?

Hm. Need to think about this a bit more.
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Waco’s push on Tom today reminds me of the way Waco pushed on me (as w/v) in WH6 or 7, the one where the team was Loch/Waco/Vaimes.

 

I mean I think that's why the traditional wisdom is to claim Judge, because you can prove it by activating Judge that night and if the actual Judge is alive they don't have to CC you (they can just kill you). So I'd assume given this that he should claim Judge if he has it.

On the other hand he should probably also fakeclaim it as scum at this point because there's a chance the Judge was Stanari or derp!Jari and he gets to yolosoup by doing so, but on the OTHER other hand I'm kind of not that scared of yolosoup so meh.

More detail about this?

 

I think you may have forgotten that only you guys know fonti's role

 

This is actually interesting how dC skipped over Font.

 

...

fuck it.

I know font's not the Judge because the Judge is me.

I was TRYING to convince him to fakeclaim it, but I fucked up the wording because I was thinking about the info I know the scumteam has (i.e. they know font isn't Judge)

Fortunately we still have room to test this (seriously, only one person can yolosoup at a time so there is literally no reason not to no lynch and let me kill asmodeus unless you now think asmodeus is town) and I was almost certainly going to be mislynched anyway, so it's not really a huge loss. I was contemplating doing this now regardless b/c I'm pretty sure if I claimed tomorrow I'd get lynched through it ("ohh, we don't have time to no lynch if you're fakeclaiming any more! Waaaah!") and I'm fairly certain I'm better off souped today than mislynched tomorrow.

Like, I had fantasies of making it to f2 and laughing in the remaining deepwolf's face (or f4 with two wolves and successfully getting a no lynch AND deflecting the kill onto the other townie) but let's be real none of that was ever going to happen and we have plenty of room in the role PoE for this, so I'm not seeing much of a downside.

oh yeah not to mention if I AM scum then I still slipped font's not the Judge so unless Judge actually IS stanari/derp!Jari I just get executed by the real Judge tonight anyway.

So, it'll go to f5 with tom townfirmed and I'm fairly sure you just lynch through Vaimes/Waco in whatever order you want to and you're good. I mean, assuming the game doesn't just end when asmo dies which frankly I wouldn't be too surprised about.

And yes I'm sure I probably just threw but I'm really at the end of my rope at this point. If I wasn't basically guaranteed to be mislynched tomorrow before, then I sure as hell am now. Partly because "lolslip" and partly because my play quality has been in the shitter all game so even if there WAS a way for me to talk myself out of it I basically wouldn't be able to find it. Check my QT postgame for more information.

Also I crumbed a bunch if anyone cares. See if you can spot it in my ISO before I say anything.

Also also this is part of why I wanted that Gemma case to get posted (I was hoping I could get scum to pile onto it and then counter them with a claim, and like I said I think my ability to claim out of a lynch disappears tomorrow and I think me getting souped today is better than me getting mislynched tomorrow)

so tl;dr

Vote: No Lynch

YOU ARE THE LAW WHOOPS
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oh yeah and cobalt posting that was kind of the last straw because it made me realize that if you guys can figure this out then scum probably can too which means I'm a soup liability even WITHOUT claiming and this is mostly info for town and not scum.

 

1. Read between the lines.
2. I'm not concerned about me dying to soup. The issue is that for every confirmed outted role, the soup PoE gets smaller for every other town. I'd rather get lynched without explicitly outing than die to soup, but I don't think either will happen.

 

yeah so I'm pretty sure if you could actually confirm your role by outing (at least, before I claimed, which is when this post was from) the PoE is still large enough that saving the mislynch would be better.

At least I hope that's true or I'm going to feel even more stupid than I do currently >_>
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but like seriously

it's about half a step from town saying "dC knows font isn't Judge and is therefore scum" to scum going "dC isn't scum and knows font isn't Judge, dC is Judge"

I kind of had this thought in my head that we already covered the "scum fakeclaim font's role" case but I have no ability to control discourse at the moment for multiple reasons so whatever it's a Judge-or-scum slip and scum already know it's a Judge slip so fuck it I am the law


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and I seriously thought I couldn't make things any worse

I should have just stopped fucking posting >_>

 

Eh.
Believable I guess.

 

I mean you don't HAVE to believe it for any significant length of time, scum can't even not-soup me because it'll be proven when asmo gets executed at twilight.

anyway I don't blame you for pushing me all game, I have been legitimately playing like shit. I feel like you could maybe have stopped to consider other explanations for the slip beforehand, but OTOH pointing it out was probably correct given the propensity for scum to notice it when rolehunting too.

 

...FUCK. If you're telling the truth, which I really hope you aren't but somehow believe the whole thing anyway, seriously reassess killing me. I'm not scum, and if you seriously open your mind to the idea that I'm town and then re-read my posts, you might gain a hint or two or three. and NO, The PoE is **not** big enough. [redacted]
Suffice it to say that when I said nobody should claim, it was serious.

 

Why have you been posting basically nothing, then? Like you said you should be free a few hours ago AGES ago and have still basically just been doing nothing. If I'm going to reassess killing you then I need an alternate target (as tempting as it is to yolo Vaimes >_>)
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oh yeah also RE: playing like shit, if I can figure out what your role is and not kill you purely based on that then scum can figure out what your role is and soup you. Like there is nothing I can glean from the thread that scum can't :v

So I really need something else in order to look elsewhere. Like, something that will convince me that you're endgame town material.
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(side note I skipped over PoFV can anyone tell me if it's worth giving it a go? This is not game-related and don't worry about it if you don't know what the acronym is)
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how long until dayend and also someone please stop me from going stir-crazy???

tom there's a reason I asked you what the world looks like if I'm mechanically confirmed, I kinda wanted you to consider it BEFORE this happened.

 

There's no way I'm ever making it to the endgame, even if I wanted to.
I don't think you should YOLO Vaimes, either. I think he's the likeliest town of the remaining peeps. Up until you just claimed, I had it as:

Vaimes
Cobalt
Gemma / Waco
dC.

There really was *no* reason for you to out just yet. I'm re-evaluating, but fuck maan this just makes it harder.

 

I'm pretty sure scum already knew my role. That's enough reason by itself :/

 

Sorry to disappoint but it's literally just going through my poe.

I should maybe consider that vaimes was going for your mislynch or whatever but hard to make that jump when you looked like scum to me too

 

And we're cutting it really close with the PoE. If you're right that scum know my role (which has been my fear since yesterday), then there's a good chance mislynch (on someone other than me) + soup tonight triggers parity,

 

How does it make it harder for you?

 

Also shouldn't removing me from the pool of possible scum make it EASIER?

Or at least easier to end up with the correct answer?

I mean that's fine and I can't exactly criticize you for being lazy about it by not thinking ahead given my own play >_>

If you're town and I'm town and two scum are alive then I am like 99% sure it's Vaimes/Waco so whatever.

I don't know if scum know your role or not, what I'm saying is that if I CAN figure it out then scum probably can too. So far I have not succeeded :v

 

Like from a theoretical townasmo perspective

Newcomb/me/DC clear
He knows he's town
So there's 2 scum in waco/gemma/cobalt/vaimes, or 1 less and we don't have as much to worry about.

Seems like that claim makes things easier?