Cobalt wagon on page 9 looked like a spontaneous dogpile. I get why the votes occurred. Also get Cobalt's frustration with it. I don't know if I can read Cobalt's day 1 for alignment. More time needed. Unfortunately that is when all the critical solving behavior also happened. Scum!Cobalt wouldn't have any aligned behavior with the other scums after day ended, and there's nothing particularly useful so far on day 1 and it's almost over at this page, making the slot a wild guess to me.

No time plus frustrated because being voted d1 for not having time is so not alignment indicative it's not even funny.
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Cobalt's vote on Newcomb 917 gives that wagon hope, but the leans list is something else. Sheeps a lot of the then-current suspects, throws in the people with fewer posts, does not explain why anyone is in the town or in what tier. And that's it, drops away for a while after that. Being approximately the fourth person to suspect or vote Newcomb by that point in the game, plus no particular reasoning behind any of the other leans, gives me little to go off of.

I get Gemma's reason to give Newcomb space, I've done that for players I should be able to read, even when I suspect them D1.

Jan on page 10 is giving reasons why Newcomb is odd, low effort, or whatnot, but isn't pushing him and has been parked on fluff for a while. There's no reason why I can determine if the newcomb push legit or distancing under those circumstances.
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At this point Miner is actually ahead, but Newcomb has been getting heat for most of the phase, on and off. There is so little I can give in terms of town credit for pushing Newcomb. Gemma, not even voting Newcomb, did the most. Miner is also up there, voting for a long time and adding pressure at critical moments. Others have been flaky or cagey with their reasons, or did not have any.
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Jan's read on Cobalt, page 11.

This boils down to a disagreement with a read and no alignment of Cobalt.

This part hedges on whether it can even have any meaning. 'Could be somewhat easy to fake' is non-committal on something that you don't even need to worry about committing about. It is or it is not easy to fake.

'It's fine' isn't a ringing endorsement for Cobalt's alignment.

Thin read. Where's the beef?

This is at least a thing you specifically dislike, but dislike isn't a very strong claim of his alignment either way.

Generic. This is like he is likely town because of the way he is playing in general. That's not helpful in determining how you got there or how strong the read is or why I should consider this real content.

Hedging, and again, doesn't lead one to a real conclusion on alignment for Cobalt.

TMI is a thing that is negative and scummy.

I don't know how this conclusion follows that analysis. By my count, Cobalt should have been leaning scummy. At least reasons for that were given: You dislike his leans list, you think his townreads are TMI, you can't tell why he has tiered people the way he did, and you can't name much in the way of specifics as to why he is even a town lean.

 

I spent two days agonizing over whether or not Vaimes would say that to a partner. It feels unaligned on the level of, if they were partners I think it would look slightly differently, with Vaimes either directing that post at Zenzao or including some sort of emotional appeal in there, playing it up more than he does, and I think it wouldn't feel like as complete a thought, since I would expect most of the "stop this" to take place in mafia chat if they were partners. I wouldn't really read into super strongly, though.

What do you think?

I didn't understand this at the time and I don't understand it now. I have no idea who is he calling mafia, the boy that Cobalt is with ???
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That post was a Vaimes joke.

 

I know he wasn't super content heavy, but he had posted quite a bit and something better than a null would have made sense.

Not very specific.

I don't buy thinking dc is w/w/w with Newcomb and Zen this early, especially without a much larger tinfoil hat theory and a lot of strings connecting stuff on a bulletin board to demonstrate it.

Cobalt isn't under pressure and there is nothing but time remaining in the game. Show me the details of this idea, in as much detail as you can now give me, please. @Cobalt

 

@Ghouliani

 

AFAIK Jan's town read on Cobalt hasn't changed yet, and he is still giving reasons why Cobalt is not behaving like a villager. I don't know of too many villagers who list off reasons to suspect someone or question someone, then read them town. You do that so you have people you can lynch later, or you don't do it at all.
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Hammer means to end day early by reaching a certain number of votes. But you guys don't seem to use the term hammer.

 

We use the term hammer.

How does the existence of a hammer mean that you don't want to vote Jan? No one else is voting him. There is only 1 mafia alive.

I thought you said you had several townreads?

 

Zenzao and fluff and Jari had not posted much. That leaves Miner and Vaimes as people who are at all likely to be removed from this list, without Jan actually being responsible for doing so. Passive and manipulative, not villagery and not pushing on suspects or defending townies. Leaving town's fate up to a dice roll.

It also easily shifts the conversation away from Newcomb, and since Miner has 4 votes at the time, this 'process' reads as extremely fake to me and gets a pro-wolf result as Newcomb was under pressure.

If Jan has never done this before as town, he is scum in this game.
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Because I am not done reading the whole game, and I don't end rounds when I haven't read a game in its entirety. People can vote for my suspect while I am afk, and I am not yet prepared to see him swing because end of day 1 is more critical to see.

I gave several town reads, with reasons.

 

Jan not including Newcomb in that list was very thinking emoji, yes.
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Oh god, you're another person who thinks 3 is several. Why does this exist.

 

First entry of google dictionary:

several
ˈsɛv(ə)r(ə)l/
determiner & pronoun

1. 1.
   more than two but not many.

A possible reason why this exists.

 

Dictionaries are stupid. Several loses its functionality as a word if you have it mean 3 or even 4. You use few for that. Several is 5 and above. That way when someone says "several" you know exactly what range they're talking about.
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I learned this from Heroes of Might & Magic, therefore I am definitely correct.
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Don't worry, I appreciate that you are a person who doesn't make me feel like an insane jerk for scumreading Jan enough for me to get over your misuse of several.

Just don't say that a couple is 7 or I'll die.

 

I would balk at someone using couple for three. Not many couples I know are threesomes.

I would say few and several can be and often are synonymous. Ideally, several should be more than a few, because it sounds like 'seven', and we already have a word for a few. But that's not what several means, and it's a synonym.

I didn't design this language, I just live here. XD
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Did you ever ask for 'several' days off from work in a given week?

It probably wouldn't be five. That's a vacation.

 

I've concluded recently that "would say this to a partner" or "wouldn't say this to a partner" reads are...unreliable at best and actively misleading at worst. I think unless it's glaringly obvious AND partially a meta read, it's probably not something to take into consideration.
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Oh wait you say you're not reading strongly into it in the post I quoted

I'm just gonna go back to slanking now >_>

 

I'm just noting for the record that the wolf team likes to call things bizarre, odd, interesting.

Which have been scum tells on basically every forum I've been on. The trend continues.
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Nothing that happens in the game matters unless it's townie or scummy. Those are the words we use.

 

Lmao.
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For you, dC.

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Also this one:

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It's odd that you say that, because I find it really interesting how many bizarre things Jan has said this game.
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Okay yeah that's exactly how mafia talks who am I kidding.

 

Caught up.

Fonti is unable to deep wolf after EOD1, at least. Worse is Jan's reaction to everything and the subtle manipulations I pointed out. Fonti looks reckless and bad villaging there, and the entire rest of her body of work is fine. Not safe town but fine.

Jan was not pushing his suspect, defending his town, or really engaged with the outcome. Instead, he was convincing the now dead townie to remove Newcomb from the possibilities list, and probably Vaimes as well.

Miner deep wolf chances are low after that EOD. That's a decently executed day one hard bussing if not. I can lose to that and not care.

Not a fan of anyone else trying to claim super big credit for Newcomb's death. Gemma and Miner get the town credits, and other folks, especially the ones who are coasting on the Newcomb vote, don't impress me as much.

Ghouliani
Gemma
Miner
DC
Fluff
Fonti
Fable
Cobalt
Jan

Fable and Cobalt seemed a bit too impressed with their votes for Newcomb as a reason to coast, and otherwise giving a thin performance every day so far. Newcomb and Vaimes' day one suggests they thought someone was deep or that they were in control of the CFD, and they were absolutely not due to Jarizok.

My feelings about Jan are not all located in a single post, but this person must always be lynched.

I am not lynching fluff today and you'd be hard pressed to see me ever do it.
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Basically, I do not think Newcomb and Vaimes bet the farm that fluff was going to carry them to end of game, when he was near the bottom of a lot of lists just for not being loud.

 

This. So much this.

One day I will go back and play heroes again just to never be seen again.


I am reading that read on me and have trouble believing it to be real.
The problem is that ghulperson is basically tunneling me and reading everybody else town.
Some of it for really bad reasons (fluff read).

But I am also slightly amused because if they are town then they are just in a tunnel from the get go and won't ever see the light (they are not actually trying) and if they are scum then I can appreciate the effort.

 

Also, this

How the fuck did you put fluff above me?

 

BS. Vaimes performed the kill, and you just gave a reason why you or anyone else would let that kill go through. Why are the bottom posters the people who had to let the bad kill happen?

Lynch: Jan

Like this:

Fluff











You

 

Where in the game did you think they bet anything or had a chance to bet anything?

And how do you think fluffs d1 was just "not being loud"?
There is a big difference between not being loud and making ~8 one-line posts total on d1.

Your perception of fluff feels like an attempt to pocket. So does your treatment of gemma.

 

Let's be real, my impression is that you're scum, fluff defended you, and you feel like you can't afford to alienate him or lose him and get lynched next. So, you're going for Jan instead.
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There's also zero evidence of Newcomb and Von thinking their third teammate was going to carry them. Von would always want to carry the kill, because he hates being scum and especially being the last scum, regardless of the position of his partner.