I have a relative who is one of these people. They only want to believe things that support their beliefs, and will actively search for things to fuel their war against evil. They will even go so far as making things up to make themselves feel important.

The relative tried to get the devil out of me because apparently Satan came though the potter books and converted me to his dark ways. I didn’t fit into the cookie cutter image, there for, I had to be changed to meet his egotistical BS.

I don’t even think that most born agains are just fanatics about Jesus; I think there is a serous ego based mental disorder in these people.

They are beyond intervention or redemption. Medication is the only way and even then they believe there fucking god will be angry with them for doing so. Jesus provides after all.

My apologies if all this is common knowledge or has been said before here. The anger I have towards these people is great.

 

It would be a very good idea to head over to the Into forums and tell all of the inferior people who can't do legilimency through a computer a little about you. Yes, I am one of the few who can do this.

 

Alright. I shall conform.

 

lol, thought everyone would get a laugh out of this.

 

Its a hoax. I sent her an e-mail a few days ago and I just got a responce.

My email:

Her reply:

I feel like a right idiot now...

 

Okay, I read this and I just had to send my own email. I usually ignore these jokers, but this article was perhaps the funniest thing I've ever read. So, here's my email. Perhaps a bit more preachy than C.S.Kaniel's, but oh, well. I sort of got into a rant at the end, but it got the point across. Also, I was generalizing a lot here. I'm not an authority on magic.

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To Lurlene Tyranna Shores, (BTW, is that your real name? Did you get beat up a lot in school? Just wondering . . . )

How is it that these people profess to hate Harry Potter and vehemently claim that no one should read the books or watch the movies, and then proceed to . . . read the books and watch the movies. The melodrama in this sentence actually made me ever so faintly nauseous.

That's new to me. I thought it had originated with the fact that Tom, Dick, and Harry were extremely common names (or forms of longer names) in Britain. But I could be wrong.

And here I was thinking it was Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington, known as Nearly Headless Nick. Although I have to admit that your version is much funnier, this is not a mere case of misreading the name or misplacing a letter. This is pure factual irresponsibility. Also, Nick has always been portrayed as a harmless and helpful character, who enjoys helping children. Where's the bad side, here?

You're leading up to something here, but it is a logical fallacy and hinges upon assumptions for which you have given no evidence. Lucius Malfoy, whose very name is symbolic and remniscent of Lucifer, is protrayed as an elitist, racist aristocrat who substitues money for morals. Everything about this character has been strictly engineered to engender instant dislike in a modern reader, especially children of the 1990's. Where do you get the Angel Gabriel from that?? Then he 'gifts' the poor girl with a magical book that represents forbidden knowledge and the temptations of falling into darkness. What do you say about it?

. . . the hell? I can see a case for the diary being a sort of "anti-bible," the archetypical Big Book of Badness, but how on earth do you twist this into that pretzel shape and not begin laughing outright? Tom Riddle, a man associated with darkness, serpents, and domination is Jesus Christ? I've already addressed how Malfoy is *not* an angel, but more of an anti-angel, a demon tempter in counterpoint to the diabilic lordship of Riddle, but I'd like to mention again how you are insane. Just thought I'd point that out.

No clue what the hell you're bringing wombs into this for. Freud was a pervert and a good portion of his theories have been discarded in favor of others. The whole "everything revolves around the phallus/womb" bit is starting to get stale.

This shit goes on and on, and quite frankly, as a religious scholar, I'm insulted. A series of fallacies, assumptions, unilateral assertions, and misrepresented dogma has led you into the very clutches of absolute idiocy.

Perhaps you need a small lesson in history. I'll refrain from lessons in logic, as it will probably go so far over your head that it isn't even funny.

Witchcraft as protrayed in the Middle Ages and during the height of the Church's power had little to do with magic as portrayed in Harry Potter or the young religion of Wicca, and more to do with diabolism, which is trafficking with the devil, sinning and enticing others to sin, harming one's neighbors, and heresy against the Church. These are legitimate concerns of religious authoritative body. It isn't, however, witchcraft, as used in the modern sense. The Church position against "magic" was almost entirely political and based in the argument against heresy. Namely, the Church was concerned with keeping its congregation dependent on it for spiritual and religious needs. Anyone who claimed to be able to do anything that the Church couldn't was a threat, and therefore a heretic. Magic actually has a long and rich history in Christianity, albeit one that's just a bit obscured from popular perception. To be canonized, one must perform three (I think) miracles that can be verifies by witnesses. Some of these miracles include flying, the healing or manifestation of wounds (psychic healing and stigmata), etc.

Magic. Q.E.D.

Even a cursory look at the most famous and widely available grimoires will tell you that magic in Europe has evolved from within the Church, not outside it. Ceremonial magic, as it is often known, almost always describes the universe within a distinctly Judeo-Christian standpoint. The Enochian system, as John Dee's revealed system is known, concerns itself with summoning and petioning angels and servents of the Christan God. The Lesser Key of Solomon concerns itself with summoning and binding demons of Semitic myth.

Many of the rituals mention Jesus by name, or invoke his blessings. Wicca, a modern religion that governs the ethics and morals of witchcraft, is a peaceful, nonaggressive religion whose main rule is often stated as "If it harms none, do as you will." Basically, do what you think is right, just don't hurt anybody. Intelligent people will realize that the practitioner is included in that "anyone" that shouldn't be harmed, so it isn't self-destructive. Also, Wicca, as defined and basically created in its modern from by Gerald Gardner, borrows a lot from ceremonial magic and has heavy Christian roots. The Wiccan Rede ("An it harm none, do as ye will.") is often thought to spring from Crowley's Law of Thelema: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law; Love is the Law, Love under Will." However, in Tract 7, On the Gospel of Saint John, Saint Augustine says, "Love [Esteem/respect, and not romantic love], and do what you will." That's direct from the original Latin, by the way. "DILIGE, ET QUOD VIS FAC."

So, the main rule of modern witches is taken directly from a pillar of Christianity.

So, you could pretty much chalk everything we know or think we know about magic and witchcraft in the West in modern times up to the Church. Congrats on that.

Hardly a "dark force Christianity had faced and fought since the dark ages." More accurately, it is a force that Christianity has embraced or denounced according to political expediencies since the inception of the Church as the main power in Europe.

I am only going to say this once. Grow up. Get a fucking life. Harry Potter is a series of children's books that have simultaneously reinvigorated the love of reading in an entire generation as well as sparking their imaginations. The books contain many archetypes, as it should be, but they are completely straightforward and easy to see. The Wise Old Wizard, the Young Determined Hero, the Serpentine Dark Lord, and many more.

And quite frankly, I sort of wonder what your God would think of being compared to an evil, megalomanical, racist wizard who uses magic to kill and torture, disfigures and completely dominates his servants, and has spent years trying to kill a child while planning the deaths of everyone who cannot use magic, not to mention a wizard whose familiar and pet is a large snake, and who killed a creature of purity and innocence to sustain himself in a twisted reflection of life, while spreading terror and pain in his name, to the point where people refuse to even speak the name he assumed for himself, using epithets and psuedonyms.

On second thought, there may be more similarities than I thought. ;P

Oh, and Harry loves you. But Jesus probably thinks your an asshole. I do.

Sincerely, Mr. Merriman.

PS: This line is pure gold: "One wonders if the infernal nuptials of Potter's mother Lily, also named after Lilith, and this dog will be described in any of the following books." You got a sick mind, kid. I like it.


EDIT: *Snickers* It's sort of sad when the situation is so bad that we can't tell parody from real fundamentalist ranting. Oh, well, I'll just post this to some fundie board with a link to tha article an sit back to watch the flames.

 

... Someone should go back to their site and thank her for the 'Awesome Outline for my new Fic' and then proceed to thank her for pointing out the truth and then praise 'Tom' for giving her such insight. just to see what kind of response you get

 

It was a hoax. A joke. An façade of seriousness above a sea of hilarity. Not real.

Get the point yet?

 

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Do you not understand Sarcasm or irony? Actually Don't answer that. I got the point, lets leave it at that.

 

She makes me giggle and guffaw.

 

The fact that this was a hoax makes me laugh, because in the end, it makes him kind of like us. he probably thought these people were worthless sacks of blood and guts just as much as we do. I say kudos for fooling a hell of a lot of people.

 

Do you think we should extend her/him/it (whatever sex this person claims after hours) an invitation to join the site? The thing was hilarius.
In Toms name we pray, Amen
PS: Do you think She'd join, since we're all Harrytanic and all that jazz?

 

Nah, now is not the time for that kind of joke, what with Laura Mallory's stupid ass doing that shit for real. Unless that post is old, he or she is probably gonna get molested by e-mails agreeing with him from Georgian mothers with nothing better to do than fight a popular book. In the end, I think the bitches are just jealous because J.K. is filthy 'your-life-is-insignificant-to-me' rich, lol.

 

That would be Aberforth, and they're referring to the mandrakes as "babies pulled fresh from the earth" or somesuch.

 

Oh thank you INBN. Because none of us who read the HP books have the iq to put that together....... /sarcasm.


Sorry about that but I was in a good mood after I read that. You know I suspected the hoax and C.S's post proved it. We have quite a cynical guy right there. Wish he/she wrote HP fanfics.

 

Yes, I saw this on Godawful.net. It's sad that it's so hard to distinguish from the real thing.