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On the other hand, she had literally been in their shoes once. The Nightborne under Thalyssra were in the same position she and Malfurien had been during the War of the Ancients: a few renegades fighting the elites who swore themselves to the Legion.

If the Nightborne resisting Elisande were worthy of such suspicion and hatred, so was she thousands of years prior, but she obviously just hated them for things beyond their control (being stuck inside a bubble, being addicted to magic due to societal convention, having their hereditary leaders swear allegiance to the Legion...)

 

Also I always got the wibe it’s not Horde that they joined up but the Sin’dorei. It’s high time blood elves got an actual ally.

 

Oh I'm not saying she was right. I'm just saying the hostility makes sense and isn't terribly out of character (for whatever little value that has for Tyrande these days). There's valid reasons for it even, from her point of view.

 

So any of you buying Darkmoon decks?
Fathoms is 120k gold. Same price as a Wow Token, lol.

I thought I'd actually fit a single blockades (29k, which looks reasonable) on my dps, make the dps more sustainable and just get the ilvl and agility.
Not sure I want to invest 120k for a single item...

 

I bought 2 Darkmoon decks for 80k each, which were about 100k cheaper than the next lowest. Bought one to use and resold the other one in a couple hours, essentially netting a small profit as well as having a 355 trinket. I'm not actually sure how good the trinket it is though, as the other trinkets I have (340 conch of something and 340 music box) are pretty good.

 

For the love of God don't waste money on darkmoon decks unless you're hardcore raiders. The second the raids drop the prices will plummet.

 

Fathoms is the best trinket by far for all melee dps atm.

I bought Fathoms and Blockades, and I did see a significant boost to survivability on my tank with the latter. If you got the money, they're good trinkets.

 

At launch, Fathoms was the only worthwhile Darkmoon deck, and it was the best melee trinket in the game, including all the mythic Uldir stuff.

They've since done a couple of balance passes, and Fathoms has been nerfed to "only" be the best melee trinket in the game for the 355 ilevel bracket, while Squalls, Tides, and Blockades are now good trinkets, though exactly how good depends on the class, and are well worth the investment.

 

Just don't invest yet. I promise the price will drop. Most are paying inflated prices for the ilvl alone.

 

Today was super productive for me. I somehow got two boe epics within a couple hours of each other. A polearm and a cloak. I literally got the cloak about 2 minutes after saying how all I really needed was a cloak and then I would have all epics, and then it dropped. Of course, I didn't equip it since I would rather have 350k+ gold than a 350 cloak. Luckily, I did actually get a cloak upgrade tonight. And I got an epic staff and the shoulders I was missing. So right now I'm sitting at 345 ilvl, with a lot of BiS items, which feels pretty good. I did get 1 mythic titanforge piece at 355 which was slightly better than the 340 bis piece I had, but no biggie. On top of all that, real close to being exalted with honorbound. Oh, and I made my tailoring pants, though it rolled the worst two stats. I want to reroll them, but getting more expulsom is pretty expensive. I did some quick math and even using shitty tailoring items with the minimal amount of cloth, it's still like 40k of mats, which is absurd.

 

So yeah. Having now reached iLvl 340 and reasonably completing most of the content released till now...
I suspect this expac is NOT gonna be as awesome as legion.
While I absolutely love the ambience of the zones, the music, the dungeons, etc. The thing I expect BfA to fall short on is lore.
Legion was incredibly satisfying lore-wise. It felt like it was the ending to the story that started with Warcraft 2, a decade and a half ago.
Anything they introduce now, well, its going to be new shit. Even the Void thingy is going to be something new lore-wise, ergo unfamiliar. And this is going to be touch and go for a lot of people like me.
I also suspect a lot of the hype for BfA came about by people expecting BfA to be as good if not better than Legion.

Having said that, I think a lot more people are hyped about the Horde vs Alliance thingy and classic servers.

And I miss Khadgar. Damnit the guy was always there.

So have a seriously NSFW Jaina/Khadgar. >_>

 

Lol. Interesting. Lore is the only place I'd argue BfA has majorly succeeded...

Warfronts should have been released last week. WoW is at it's absolute worst when they drip-feed content to us for arbitrary reasons. They theorized that there was too much content at the start of Legion, which is fair, but I'd argue they went the complete opposite direction here. I've literally been doing WQs for the past two weeks, and IE (only to max azerite collected) so I can get the allied race.

Nothing else. At all. I'm already back to doing ICC and SoO to farm mounts/Tusks. That's inexcusable in a new expac.

I'm not even doing mythics that much and I'm 342 ilvl (I've probably done less than 10 since launch).

 

I'm on the same page about WQs / Content. They should've opened Warfront or M+ or something this week. Three whole week of only doing WQs and M+0 has been a pain. I just couldn't keep doing it. As soon as I unlocked King's Rest, I dropped doing WQ in Zandalar and focused on the one faction I wanted exalted in Kul Tiras, while doing the CoA WQs as well.

Additionally, farming AP is one of the worst shit ever. Expedition are fucking boring.

On the lore I disagree. I think it's interesting so far. Apparently Horde has a lot of lore related to trolls (obviously) and Uldir so that might be why the Alliance side of thing might seem a bit thin on that front.

 

I actually disagree somewhat, speaking as a raider. The content delay here has been pretty nice; it eliminated any sense of pressure or drive to do all the things in the first couple of days and made it pretty easy to justify having a life outside of the game.

I could definitely see why people wouldn't be too fond of it, especially if they don't like Island Expeditions for whatever reason, but I think the pace is pretty decent.

I agree that it would have been nicer if they'd opened Warfronts a week early, but I grok what they're going for, and I don't mind it much at all.

 

While I agree with you on principle, the truth is that most raiding guild (mythic) just expect more from you since you have "more time" before the raid drops. A lots of guild are asking Exalted with reps and neck level 21+, oh and revered with Champions. There's no way to do all that without doing your WQs everyday and that takes hours. + Farming expeditions and Mythics dungeons every week.

 

Yeah, the raid opening this week is fine. They needed to do something this past week though. Warfronts and Mythic+ and maybe even the world boss.

Third week of the expansion and I'm only logging in to do emissaries daily... isn't a good look. I don't know the rationale of releasing everything at once now, it seems to run counter to what they wanted to begin with. Unless Warfronts aren't a meaty bit of content on their own either...

As for the story. I'm not sure what to say if you think it's thin, it's more involved than any expansion previously - especially since the Horde get a completely different story to the Alliance - like, utterly different. Their story sets up the Uldir raid while the Alliance's seems to be more long-term -

Spoiler

Basically Jaina becomming Grand Admiral, Tandred being confirmed as canon etc. The Horde go from a position of supreme strength at the beginning of the expansion into one of almost ruin going into the raid while the Alliance's story mirrors it in reverse. It starts in ruin and disaster and we finish up in a position of extreme strength.

It feels like the Alliance story touches more on Azshara and the Naga's side of things, so it might get more involved with the next raid in that regard.

 

Eh, probably just a difference in guild culture. My group were top-20 US raiders up until the end of MoP, then got too old to keep at it and we're now knocking out mythic raids but without the obsessive need to get everything done immediately. It's been a pretty refreshing change to have three weeks to gear up and prep for the raid, and not be expected to grind out everything immediately, not gonna lie.

Yeah, it definitely woulda been nice if they started Warfronts and world bosses this week. That would have been some good content that's spread out enough to let the raid opening be its own thing as well, so I definitely would have enjoyed it.

As for your spoiler:

Spoiler

The Alliance story is definitely tied heavily into the second raid, while the Horde story is tied into the first. We start by going into Uldir and dealing with G'huun and his various shenanigans that have fucked over the Zandalari, while the second raid is going into Nazjatar and dealing with Azshara and her various shenanigans that have fucked over the Kul'Tirans.

We're definitely going to see Azshara as the final boss of raid 2, very likely taking place in her palace on the new island/continent of Nazjatar that will be raised out of the ocean with 8.1.

 

Spoiler

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Azshara wasn't a boss in raid 2, or if she is she doesn't die.

It might be wish fulfilment on my part, but I just feel like they've put too much work into her to Gul'Dan her.

We'll see.

There's hints at new baddies being introduced too though. Bwonsamdi crying that 'De boss not gonna like dis one bit' when he lost Vol'jin's soul is a hint to that.

 

Spoiler

It's certainly possible, there's no way to be sure. I could honestly see Azshara going either way, especially considering she's had significantly less time and development than Gul'dan had when he died. We'll just have to wait and see.

The Bwonsamdi thing is pretty interesting as well, though I'm as sure as I can be it's got nothing to do with Azshara and/or N'Zoth. I've heard theories that Bwonsamdi's deal is similar to Sylvanas', and they both serve the same ultimate source, whatever that happens to be.

 

Spoiler

Only reasonable explanation I can think of that isn't a new character is Yogg-Saron - purely based on his Hearthstone card.

'Bow down, before the God of Death'

This is another area where Blizz's lore inconsistency is super annoying. Are the non Y'Sharaaj Old Gods actually dead? I always found that hard to believe given the Titans tried and nearly blew up Azeroth by killing Big Daddy. I dunno.