From HBP;

"[...] by planting the diary upon Arthur Weasley's daughter, he [Lucius] hoped to discredit Arthur, have me thrown out of Hogwarts and get rid of a highly incriminating object in one stroke."

You pulled Lucius wanting to murder children right out of your own arse, mate.

 

OP either you are very sheltered or have the misfortune of reading bad fics. The point everyone is trying to make is that people like to read complex characters. A story about black and white characters with no complexity and moral conflict is boring.

 

Maybe not that but another better example is Lucius lied to the Ministry of magic that he was under the affect of the Imperius curse the first time around (The lie being obvious when he was arrested after the end of The Order of the Phoenix). Meaning any murders and crimes he was involved in during the height of Voldemort's power he was obviously a willing party to.
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I think you maybe right. My favourite character is Hermione and I enjoy a lot of fics written biased towards muggleborns. My favourite author is Starfox so I'm clearly not seeing things black and white.

 

I think you maybe right. My favourite character is Hermione and I enjoy a lot of fics written biased towards muggleborns. My favourite author is Starfox so I'm clearly not seeing things black and white. I t

I think I might have had a overreaction. My main point for this thread is too discuss of blantant love in for pureblood culture in the fandom. And I myself derailed the thread.

Between I don't enjoy being made fun of by you in the discord chat. It's seems unusually cruel to make fan of me. I'm not replying to you because of your aggressive tone and you are a moderator.

 

Nobody wants to be imprisoned whether they deserve it or not. Don't know about other legal systems, but in India a false plea of not guilty and a false defence do not attract perjury.

Nobody is here trying to make excuses for Voldemort and his DEs, but we will like to have more to their character than being murdering lunatics. What's the point of there being a moral choice if it's so simple to make.

 

Call that slavery if you want, that wasn't what I was disputing. I simply said non-Dobby House Elves are happy being enslaved, and that telling them their happy is not right is condescending assholery (per your words).

"Winky absolutely proves that House Elves need to be enslaved to be happy."
See, I too can take a single case and judge a whole race as though it was representative! Or you could look at the globality of the elves and notice Dobby is the only one wanting freedom and the others actively reject it when it's proposed to them (when they refuse to go to Gryffindor tower from fear of finding Hermione's hats, for example).

Ok, I get it, you read bad fanfiction and it has twisted your view of canon as a response. Do you intend to make a new thread for every trope you don't like? There's a Pet Peeves made just for that. Although I'm kinda with you on the Slytherin canon portrayal, but that really isn't the question since the "pureblood apologism" doesn't happen in most canon-compliant fics. I'm honestly confused how you can read them without actively searching for them.

Your point being? Nobody is arguing that Obvious Bad Guy Lucius Malfoy isn't a bad guy, people are arguing that "evil guy" isn't his whole character (namely, he loves his family very much).

 

Off topic I don't think this site is for me. The moderators Halt and Zombie are hazing me in their discord chat.

 

I came from R/HPfanfiction. People there are polite, respectful and have civil discussions. I'm not interested flaming war with you. This is my last post and I'm thankful to other members here who had civil discussions with me.

 

Obviously every fit is going to have a different viewpoint because its down do the fit writer, and true, while some pro pureblood fits glorify the lifestyle and make the muggleborns out to be ignorant etc, generally, that is sort of the case.

Rowling kinda glossed over the culture side of things a lot, and basically just did a pureblood vs muggleborn war, without having a lot of depth to the pureblood who believed in equality -- except the Weasleys really.

On the other hand, having grey characters with different moralities is good. Narcissa, absolute horrid woman, but she saved Harry at the end to help get rid of Voldemort.

 

Well, there goes another young hopeful. Btw @Sesc, your analogy between house elfs and domestic help isn't that good, because whatever demeaning conditions the house maid agreed to, she still would not be considered property. There are things you can do to your property that you could never do to another human being, y'know? Not that I've ever done anything untoward with my HSTD Anime Dakimakura 20'' x 26'' pillow, of course.

 

Sesc, socialist at heart.

Joking aside, I see your point, but choices, even if they are few and shitty (majority of human existence) are better than no choices at all (the specific case of slavery). Unless you intend to quote Sartre at me and claim that every human has the ultimate choice to kill himself -- thus making even slaves free-- in which case we shall come to blows.

 

Just have elves be artficially created golems with a simple deactivation spell that turns them back into clay, and then you only have to figure out if shackled AI is a slave or not.