Lime is in tropical skittles
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Also ftr scum definitely doesnt want to eliminate the other team ASAP.
More kills = sooner lylo

 

Let's not discuss optimal scum strategy mmkay?

 

A huge risk, low pay off when a faction has low numbers.

Also lime used to be part of the original flavors.

 

Article dated 6/23/17:
"It's been four years since Skittles replaced its lime-flavored candies with green apple. And for many people, that just was uncalled for. It got people so upset that they started social media campaigns to bring back the citrusy goodness."

 

tom and Tammy are prolly town.
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Fluff prolly isn’t.

Vote Fluff
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This is one of the more enjoyable mafia threads to read. Like, the words. Also the pictures.
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@Cobalt Who’s your baddies rn?
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@his fluffiness What’s your take on the new peoples? Also Sloth.

 

Okay. I meant what in this game have you gotten - is there somewhere that questioning someone has made you see a shifty behavior, or back off from a suspicion?

I’m sorry, that usually doesn’t happen. I did have a question in mind - could you explain why you had Jari and Sloth as greenish in your rainbow list you posted, I feel like you didn’t talk about them much.

 

Why is Tammy 50/50 here @CerberAsta? Arent both of the things you say about her good signs?
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Hiya Kel. How are you liking the game so far?

 

Interesting! Why do you think so?

@Jarizok why do you think Tom and Tammy are town, and what makes fluff scummy enough for you to vote him - I haven’t seen anything like that from him.

 

I really liked the sparkly conversation. I dont think it happens if Tammy is scum unless she’s exactly with tom and I’m not feeling that.

Fluff being kinda lowkey excitedly smug just fits his scum game.
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Why do you think tom thinks your scum? Or do you think maybe tom doesn’t think your scum?
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Arghhhh, I can’t edit that and it makes me feel bad.

 

Fun fact: me and tammy are 4-0 when scum together.

 

That IS fun!

 

Yes and yes.

Why'd you go with Sloth? I mean....I haven't talked about em or Men at all as far as I remember (to them yes but not about them) and I have them at higher town reads. I have addressed sloth's read though.
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I'm not getting smug so much as perfunctory and slightly adverse to answering questions

 

Still thinking about mendel.
Hes claiming hes sheeping tammy on me, but i still dont think tammy is scumreading me?
But going through he says he doesnt like me not responding to tammys rvs vote and questions me naked voting jari. So even if you take her wariness as scumreading me its nonspecific and why would that overcome 2 things he disliked from me on page 1?

This is weird. Because with the type of player he seems to be I think he'd probably scumread my playstyle if hes town too. Just as i believe the way he feels about sloth is real.
But the approach around those things doesnt feel natural to me.

Im still strongly feeling the playstyle clash here so i super dont trust myself. But i think this is the closest to an actual scumread i have right now.
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I think jari and keldeo probably be next lowest in my head? Nothing but, like, wolfy end of null im just getting more from other people

 

Gotta say, wasn't expecting to come by to see Ter being schooled on Skittles knowledge, but it's not unwelcome.

Interesting, I feel like tom keeps proving why the opposite is true...
Your argument is really weak for tom, specially in light of his recent posts. But if you do feel him scum, why aren't you voting for him? Or anyone.
Asta is your other highest scumread, do you see him as his partner? Is your case on Asta based on your perception of him aligning himself to you only, or is there more?

If I'm asking, assume I read it thrice and was still uncertain - save us all a lot of time. Thanks for clarifying.

I'm not going to go over this point-by-point since there's no point to that, but if you do end up having questions, I'm around.
For townhunting...no? I mean I can assume what that is by context, but not sure why I would need to do that in any game.

My vote hasn't moved. My stance has been clear since my first post.
I'm sorry that a game about making sense of people's actions requires you to make sense of me, but I'm not changing how I play to suit your standards, if anything, an expectation like that is what's controlling. Figure me out - or don't.

Then you'd be wrong to. Before today the last game I played was in 2014. I don't know/remember most of the terms and I'm re-learning as I go along. I created the set up cause I wanted to entice more life into the forum.
You felt me asking what LHF is is a bad question because it was obvious - I feel it's honestly annoying and "in bad faith" to tell me I'm being deliberately dumb for not picking up on that or being able to read your mind.

...I beg your pardon? XD

Hm. I noticed you're not asking any questions of anyone though - nothing is springing up?

Here's the important thing that you (and maybe others) misunderstood about that: I said I LIKE Empoof for Town, not that I thought he was town.
I wasn't townreading him, I was just saying I would like him to be. This was based on his likeability (#65 made me laugh) and his transparency in rebuking tom's comments - neither of these, you'll notice, are alignment indicative.
I'm curious: What was your guess?
As for what I found or my actual thoughts, see below.

Not necessarily: 1 Scum per team is enough to guarantee that.


There's a lot of speculation for scum movements in multiball, my thought is that they'd be doing the usual: Trying to be as conf!town as possible. The other scum team is not as likely to shoot the towniest player N1 because that'd just be halted by the BP, and instead they'd shoot for medium-to-scummy players that won't be bussed easily.
What better way to appear town than to legitimately scumhunt when there's another faction to conveniently seek out?

Anyway, it's past the halfway point on D1 so I can share some basic thoughts:

{CerberAsta, Mendel, tom} < Town

• This is Asta's first game and he's kind of flopping around aimlessly. This is fine, he's finding his footing. He's trying to engage and discuss, not asking any strong questions or doing particular investigations. If he was mafia, he'd have a partner that would probably be coaching him to engage more and ask questions. And then in #178 he low-key suggested a NL...which is a hilariously scummy thing to do in my opinion, and there's NO WAY a scumpartner would have allowed him to do so. I'm comfortable with him as Town.
• Mendel is a type A personality that appears to be legitimately flustered when the thoughts of those around him don't match his expectations. I don't know how he'd look as scum, but based on this, it seems like he'd have more overt anxiety. Add to that that he legitimately seems to be putting thought into the strategy of the game - moreso than any other player, and how to circumvent things best, as well as his initial help of Asta, he was my strongest town-read before Asta suggested NL. Devil's advocate: He's not voting me, he's not really even asking me direct questions, just throwing general shade, plus his idea of control = questions seems kind of weird in a mafia game - might be bussing, might just be legitimate frustration. We'll see.
• tom. I just think tom's fun lol. He answers direct questions and his train of logic is easy to follow when he does - meaning the's not making it up on the spot, he already had the answers ready. Bonus: His interactions with Ter give me life. Devil's advocate: his voting pattern is relevant for reasons I won't go into yet.

{his fluffiness, Keldeo, Cobalt, Tammy, Empoof} < Null
If you're on the left, you're null closer to Town, if you're in the right, you're null closer to scum - but really, that's just kind of a cosmetic claim, it's all Null, all the time.

• his fluffiness: he let the pressing Ter and I did on his reaction to my first post wash off of him, where he might have fixated on it more as scum. Takes firm stances, seems set on avoiding giving scum info...but that can also be scummy. Not posting a lot, and sometimes is useless fluff, which is fine but...yep. @his fluffiness btw, gimme a read on Ter - humor me.
• Keldeo: Nothing jumps out at me as he's just recently started posting again. His long post in #176 didn't have a lot of substance, I like what Ter already noted of his original post towards her. No reaction to being voted on but that means nothing.
• Cobalt: A lot of the reason most of these are here is because I just don't have a lot of information to go on, and Cobalt's a prime example of that. Don't have much to say about him at all - cept #157 where he seems pre-emptively self-conscious around this fact and wonder if it's scum being nervous about being seen as a lurker.
• Tammy: I agree with what others have said, if she's scum, it's probably not with fluff, ter, or mendel. Aside from that, I don't have much to say about her at all. Emotional responses seem genuine, if unnecessary.
• Empoof: See, I have been told that I'm not contributing and that my questions seem pointless or something along those lines and I feel that that more accurately describes Empoof. He's FUNNY, but his play is not particularly progressing things from what I've seen. Post #165 makes me wonder why he's voting for fluff at all. I will say post #100 sent ALL the alarm bells in my head. When a player feels comfortable skating by being townread, it's a massive red flag for me, but that might just be observational bias on my part.

{TerRaine, Jarizok} < Scum

Ter I've explained - general questions and attitude, lackadaisical delivery, changing topics constantly as a distractor, not following up on people she reads as scum like tom and Asta (Asta???) and dismissing the idea that she should.
Mentioned buddying, she claimed to not remember what it was, which is possible.
See my earlier posts and interactions with her for more details.
This gave me pause:

Wasn't sure if this was a town or scum move for her, and was reassessing. She repeats it here:

Ter gets a lot of confirmation bias and tunnel-vision, which she cops to here and admits she's working on.
That second post actually makes me more comfortable on the vote on further analysis. Seems like overcorrection to make sure it's seen as reasonable town, when what I would expect from ter as town was to sink her teeth and go for broke.

As for Jarizok...he's being a whimsical Tom Bombadil thus far, riding on the "It's D1" train pretty hard. Haven't really seen him do much. That's fine and would make him Null.
Cept I like him as Ter's partner: Post #116 lists him as her second strongest town read for no reason I can discern.
Post #109 also has her do a low-key very light defense of Jari based on Empoof's comments - i.e. the event where Jari is to be lynched and flips scum. That's another instance where Ter's stepped up for someone, but unlike Asta, buddying is not immediately apparent so the why seems to be alliance. Neat.

So yeah that's where we are.

 

...holy fucking text wall batman I am not getting to this before my office party. I'll try to get to it tonight with an updated rainbow (now with more support) My perfunctory skim....

....so part of the reason I'm scummy for is recognizing my shittier habits from 5 years ago and correcting them? Pft...You know my scum play is better than that.

 

Huh. How about that.

 

Hi i hate this read.
The "no u" element plus the red flag makes this feel like it should be a scumread rather than a null but he doesnt want to admit <silly thing he got called out for> is scummy?

I do really like the cerber read in there, which i guess it's slightly sheeped from me but he added his own bit. Also the jari scumread its similar to my process that hes actively staying in the middle

 

It's not so much the willingness to change, but as I clearly stated: "overcorrection to make sure it's seen as reasonable town."
Twice. Once had me doubting, twice is more like "let's say it again to make sure everyone heard it."
Same for #196 - a lot of it feels very preemptively hyper-defensive.

Doesn't a "no u" element require me to be responding to empoof accusing me of something and me throwing it back at him? We haven't really spoken much.
Also, I think you misunderstood. To clarify: The red flag was for post #100, as stated. This was not something that I got called out for because as far as I know I'm not being widely townread.
I think a player being comfortable in being "safe" (which is the indication I got out of #100) is not good, but it's also not a scumtell really, I just don't like it. I even called out to it on #124.

 

I guess its more "no him" than "no u"
Either way i think defending yourself and shading someone else in one sentence is >randwolf, and that whole paragraph feels like it should be a tier lower

 

Just have a few minutes to address some outstanding things/answer a question, but tonight when I get back home I’m gonna read all the stuff I’ve been mostly skimming. Got lecture prep to juggle it with, but I should get to a point where I can give some more coherent thoughts.

So, I reread the Mendel post from this morning that I thought contained a towntell. Nevermind that one. I thought he was discussing what scum should do without knowledge that there was no night one kill, but I apparently misread that because he clearly discusses it.

But Mendel please don’t sheep me on Tom. It’s not an actual scum read. It’s a there’s a thing I associate with town Tom that he hasn’t done yet and it might make him scum but it’s way too early to tell that read. Even if it were a scum read, I’d not be comfortable with putting trust in me this early, especially when I have no conviction on it myself.

Keldeo - I’m on my iPad so I can’t respond directly to your quote - yeah I’d say it’s more important to me to find town early than scum. Finding an early town read helps me center myself in the game and hopefully have someone I can work with and bounce thoughts off of. So yeah townhunting is what I gravitate too earlier though I'm not a standard townhunter type if that makes sense. This game is harder to find a town read I feel comfortable with, but that’s just the nature of multiball. I don’t have any strong stances right not. That may change later on today when I actually read instead of skim, so we’ll see.
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Oh ter you know what I realized earlier, in case it’s still sticking in your craw that I might not have been just joking with my early post to fluffy, this conversation is me saying to empoof that I don’t think I ever knew how to generate conversation with me and asking for someone to just shitpost with me. ( I did try for awhile, but everyone thought I was being abrasive or condescending when I tried, so I went back to being a floaty banana that doesn’t start sinking my teeth in until a few pages in.)

Maybe you’re over it I don’t know, but yeah.