I think finding town should be a secondary indirect result of scum hunting. I don't NEED to know all the town to win for us. I do need to find and kill the scum teams.
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woot first post of page 4. 4s my lucky number. good sign for yall town

 

I din't think it needed to be elaborated on, but discussing who scum should optimally nightkill is fucking stupid. Town can't actually do anything about NKs (we have no protective roles), and having 11 people discussing optimal scum strategy in public is a lot better for scum than having 2 different sets of people discussing it in private.

There's literally 0 ways that information can help us in any way, but it can certainly help weaker scum teams.

Vote Terraine
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My vote is on Ter here cause she's supposedly a good, experienced mafia player, so she really should know better.

 

erroneous. It prepares Town to look for certain patterns and behaviors. Like shutting down conversations with the fear of "but what if they're bad at being scum?"

Or not answering questions players ask and deflecting with over reactive defensiveness and hyperbole.
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...yall couldnt stop posting yesterday while I tried to catch up....today I'm pretty sure I saw a tumbleweed

 

Welp. Didnt make it.

Heres what was in my post editor:

i really dislike how these theory posts dont relate back to anything.
The questions he asks around these are super generic, and i see no sign hes tryna get reads/meta off this.

Its talking just to talk
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Was also feeling worse about poofter last night. Spending that much energy on alignments in a game with 2 man teams seems like exactly the sort of thing scumpoof would do to look busy.

 

Can someone summarize the case on fluff?

 

Unvote
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Was hoping to be back by now but my day got complicated. Be back soon.

 

ctrl + f "his fluffiness"

There's 5 hours left in the day...more than enough time to read and make your own opinions

 

Moderator Note:

Day ends in a little under 5 hours from this post. Exact timer link can be found in first post of thread at bottom.

 

Wouldn’t mind lynching cobalt after that nothingburger pop in.
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When I was thinking about this last nighr, I was stuck on the you seem more concerned with the townreads part rather than the rest, but even with the rest of this this post just rings really wrong. I’ve not gotten that impression that Mendel is just concerned with people townreading him than trying to get reads. Jarizok, where are you seeing that?

Also in his very next post he says he was trying to firm up his read on sloth - the person he’s been mostly focused on the past couple days.
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Just a weird post overall.

 

Hey my day also got complicated. I'll be popping in a little before EoD to vote.

Honestly don't have as much of a preference as I'd like for the lynch.

Small note to those that don't use DLP much or aren't used to this but we do NEED 6 votes to get a lynch through. Otherwise it fizzles.

From skimming I actually liked Keldeo more than I expected I would. I don't really think fluff deserves to die.

Sorry for ending up being anti-climatic when I was hoping to basically lead the lynch today. Preference atm would be Jarizok / Sloth I guess? Maybe just Jarizok. I'm just going to avoid lynching Tammy and Tom the most right now. Mendel/TerRaine I wouldn't lynch today either.

Fluff counter argument: discussing optimal scum play could also help the watcher :v WOW! And I can't think of a scum team combo that wouldn't be intelligent other than basically Cerber + an AFK Cobalt.

 

Fluffy’s reasoning for voting terr is not really alignment indicative. I agree with him that talking about what scum should or might do with night actions isn’t wise, but I don’t see how doing so makes her scum..

 

Read as: I don't think fluff deserves to die but I'm not going to go out of my way to stop it.
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I just don't really see the problem other than literally naming kills that both teams would make (i.e. having them coordinate in the thread).

What's cool is that optimally scum should be going after each other tonight imo, since it's the only night they won't be able to go for town anyways.

 

Mendel if you pop in I have not forgotten to talk to you about sloth. I’m just on my phone right now, and would like to be at my computer so I can reference things easier.

 

Tammy, my vote on ter isn't because of her bad mechanical read, but because of how she's using it to paint me as scum.

 

One of these things is not like the other.

So is the vote cause I should know better than to talk about game mechanics or cause I see your various actions as scum aligned?

 

You should know better, and, notwithstanding that, you using my read of the mechanics to push your shitty theories is scummy as fuck.

 

Ok so, consider this part I, cause this is getting too long already and I need to do some actual work.

There’s more to this that this one isolated post, in fact, that in-quote by Ter is in response to the post where I point out she’s doing both, #72, where I quoted them first thing; one conversation, one answering for him. I mean, that’s just there in clear black-and-white, one conversation behind the one you’re quoting.

Incorrect. Maybe it wasn’t clear, though I think it was, but in #140 I was saying that I could buy Ter’s claim that she misremembered buddying as something that happens between two scum – which is wrong, btw.
I’ve forgotten a lot, but not that.
Nothing else about Ter’s responses made me hesitate that she was buddying because it didn’t particularly fit what I expect from her as town – it does fit what I expect from her as scum, specifically with Asta, given our particular out-of-game meta.
Pocketing is a new term to me, but I get it.

I’ve addressed this already, at this point you either believe it or don’t, dwelling on it isn’t going to help town win.

Yes. That’s why it was listed as Devil’s Advocate. As in “an alternative, opposite explanation to challenge my actual viewpoint.” As in, it’s a far out possibility, but not one I consider strongly at this time, just wanting to keep it in mind just in case.
It’s actually still a relevant viewpoint, you still aren’t a really asking me direct questions – but you at least voted on me, which is either reactive or a further point in your favor, time will tell.

Correct. You’re the…3rd or 4th person in this site that’s described my play as that.
Regardless, you pointing it out feels almost like a low-key defense. I can’t tell if you’re trying to teach me or explain away why you’d vote for me if I’m lynched and flip town.

I know this isn’t directed specifically at me, but hey, finally a question:
If Ter flips town, I re-assess everything, look at her reads, reopen town reads, pick up lines that were discarded in favor of what I thought was right, and start over
If Ter flips scum, I hone in on Jari and work on the other scum team (ideas on those to come later on)

...It's like you knew I was going to point this out lol.
Not exactly? I think I get confirmation bias from time to time, but it doesn’t last more than a Day or two if it isn’t valid – this is a result of me always revisiting previous reads and abandoning them if I find that they truly no longer work. So I would say I don’t tunnel all the way to a dead end, but I tunnel for a bit before needed to reassess.
If you’re asking in regards to my reads, so far that’s not coming across as such to me.

…surprising view here.
Okay, follow up: Based on this, you’re not feeling great on Ter for town, correct? (Not trying to put words in your mouth, this is legitimately what I’m taking away from the post) This is, for the most part, because it reminds you of tom’s fun-loving and inoffensive scum game?
How’s that work? Didn’t you clash with Ter? What makes her fun-loving and inoffensive?

And how would you describe his town game, fluff?

What? Ter and I haven’t played a game in a good HALF A DECADE, and you, as a regular in DLP unlike Mendel, know that.
Where in the world would you get the idea that either of us would be good and experienced? That makes no sense. Explain please.
Also, mind the language. My dog is present. (Yours is cute!)

Explain the term “ally” to me please – I don’t care if it seems obvious, to me, the obvious meaning I’m picking up by context is “a scumread I’m okay keeping around because he’ll be useful in finding other scum” which is problematic.

Got your back.
The Mendel read in #194: “Mendel is a type A personality that appears to be legitimately flustered when the thoughts of those around him don't match his expectations. I don't know how he'd look as scum, but based on this, it seems like he'd have more overt anxiety. Add to that that he legitimately seems to be putting thought into the strategy of the game - moreso than any other player, and how to circumvent things best, as well as his initial help of Asta, he was my strongest town-read before Asta suggested NL.”
Eh…Are you talking about the flustered thing? In here that’s clearly a comment on his profile and attitude, rather than his role. Plus it’s hardly the sole aspect of my analysis of him, given the rest. Seems like a reach – anything else?
Although, what I redacted earlier: For the record, I totally disagree, genuineness can and often IS alignment indicative. It’s hard to scum to fake legitimate emotion – not just being accused or having their reads questioned, which does come with is own true frustration, but to feelings being hurt. Overtly emotional players are the easiest to read.

InB4 I flip and you all read my QT, and I just feel really embarrassed.
There was no warping, I stand by the words exactly as they are. I understand that it’s not believed, but I do find it surprising that no one looks at it and says “I guess by that context it WOULD make sense if that’s what he did, but I still think the scum slip is far more likely.”
By this point I’m 60-70% certain that while I new/rusty-town-fucked-up or whatever the term is, at least one scum is making sure to capitalize on it to push an easy lynch on me – I simply don’t buy that my explanation is impossible to everyone. Improbable? Sure.

Well, just re-read your posts pre-#194. Despite being a regular poster, the only ones that had something of actual substance (in my opinion) were #67, #102, #112. The rest were fluffy with jokes and questions that didn’t particularly provide insight – hence my read.
That’s changed since, more to follow.

Hmm…mkay.

Hm. This is a lie.
Look at literally any of our games together before – you’re always clashing in every game. Admittedly, that was mostly with Lyrium and/or ika, neither of whom are here, but regardless of your role, you always clashed.
Really not seeing how you’d forget that.

okay, what from before #116 made you strongly townread him?

How would you describe leaving a lynch vote on someone else for over an hour as a reason for voting them?
One of “these two” posts was me essentially proving “this is why I’m scumhunting, regardless of role”, not “this is why I’m Town.” So… …why is this a reason to move me up?

I think that was werewolf? I was town in the first iteration, and scum in the second. But, honestly, I’d do the same regardless of role here too: The whole point of this is to get games going in the site again, so I want new people to enjoy it the most.

Exactly, he voted and moved along and didn’t focus. Although I AM revisiting certain views giving new developments – this is one.

Tammy has also gone ahead and said that that’s not a real read on her part and instructed Mendel, who was only voting him out of sheeping her (per his admission), not to do so. In #263, she actually put tom as one of the players NOT to lynch toDay.

…Hm. Point up.
This is 100%, btw @his fluffiness . Sharing and preparing info is always preferable to censoring it.

…You know FOUR is DEATH, right?

Right here, buddy.

Your votes changed on very quick succession from tom > me > Asta > Jari.
Disregarding the waffling (which I’m assuming means indecisiveness and moving from place to place, I swear I don’t want to get another one wrong), why Jari at the end?

I was honestly hoping to get a lot more out of his response…will post briefly, still catching up.

Confirmation Bias, still townie, but revisiting it slowly. Right now there’s too much going on in my RL to go too in-depth.
I did notice he’s using ‘!’s more in his conversations with me which are probably emotional? Don’t want to assume but will look back into it.

This is a legitimate newb!town post.
Note the lack of back-pedaling and concern. He only really cares about playing the game correctly.


Ok so – I’ll be back for part II in a bit, hopefully with a new wall.
Guys, I’m real busy today so I can’t make too many promises, sorry.
I have an appointment around the time D1 ends, so I definitely won’t be here.
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Unofficial VC as of #317

His Fluffiness (3): Jarizok, CerberAsta, TerRaine
Sloth (2): Mendel, Tom
TerRaine (2): Sloth, his fluffiness
CerberAsta (1): His Fluffiness
Jarizok (1): Cobalt
Keldeo (1): Empoof

Not Voting: Tammy

 

Ya got fluff voting twice there sloth

 

Good thing it's unofficial...
Unofficial VC as of #318

His Fluffiness (3): Jarizok, CerberAsta, TerRaine
Sloth (2): Mendel, Tom
TerRaine (2): Sloth, his fluffiness
Jarizok (1): Cobalt
Keldeo (1): Empoof

Not Voting: Tammy

Jesus what is with this spread.


Case on Ter: Any takers?
Btw, another point against her: That skittles talk, those random segways she should make occasionally? That's something I can see her do as scum to create friendly, amiable atmospheres and change topics. Neat.

I can get behind a fluff lynch.
My read on him back in #194 is one of the ones that has changed the least, where he is null but even the things about him I pointed out could easily be scummy.
Since then there's his case on Asta on #215, which people have stated brings up some good points...but my question is: Is ANY of it not just as likely new-town being new-town?
31 was an RVS. ...So? Are we in the area of taking those seriously now?
90 was a readlist than anyone could type out. Doesn't that just mean that they're just thoughts that have some ill-formed shape to them? Also it's his first wall, so of course that makes sense. (I did laugh at the active player thing)
95 that same post also had Ter erroneously tell Asta that I was accusing them of buddying, which was later corrected. I suppose I can see the "OMGUS" quality...
171 - he has since addressed those, some even before your post I think.
These are all just examples of new-town waffling and confusion and trying to learn footing. True, they COULD be scummy, but seriously, it's not the case it seems to be made. (@Keldeo this was part of the reason I redacted addressing him. I wanted him to address it himself and he did in a way I expect a new-town to)
Moving on from that, he seems very adamant about not discussing NK procedures, but that level of absolute seems strange and as Ter pointed out, it's actually very beneficial.
And there's the calling her an experienced player and should know better? Yeah...no. (Ter, no offense, but neither of us count as that)
There's definitely no Ter/Fluff, but I think Fluff being part of the second scum team is a very solid possibility.


I'm also open to lynching @Cobalt simply for the virtue of avoiding having to find a replacement for him, as it's starting to feel like he'll ask to bow out any second now...
Joking, mostly. Where are you, man?
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Ok guys, gotta go - obviously I didn't get to post as much as I wanted.
I'll be around on my phone to vote/hammer if needed - but given that it's a phone, I definitely won't be able to type much. Good luck!

 

Oh shit deadline is today?
Ok here in a few