First post on game thread. Only Town roles list conditional bullet proof not Scum roles. If Scum team 2 found sloths partner and shot him they'd have died. If Sloths partner (Mike Teevee) had located either of scum team 2 and shot one of them they'd have died

 

Hmmm I didn’t notice that being a specifically town thing under town vanillas. The sign up thread discussion seemed pretty general that there would be no kills night one regardless.
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yeah I just looked at that now. I was just going off the discussion in sign ups

 

His reads have felt really static and fake.

 

The mafia players do not have bulletproof vests and could have been shot tonight. The Sloth teammate especially needed to make up their disadvantage and is very likely to have taken the shot. That nobody died tonight means they did not manage to hit each other.

 

So those kinds of assumes are dangerous to make because not everyone is going to try to take out the other team early. I learned my lesson the hard way in the very first game i played that that is not always optimal. So, I wouldn’t have tried to make a cross kill last night because I’d have wanted a night or two of double kills to make For fewer days and fewer lunches, especially with that night one no kill situation.
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*so those kinds of assumptions

phone posting is the devil
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So if anyone else plays with that type of objective, you’re potentially clearing people incorrectly

 

Well, sure, the assumptions I made aren't certainties. But then wouldn't you have wanted to kill the second player on the other team anyway, to put both teams on an even footing? That's been my premise.

 

So if anyone else plays with that type of objective, you’re potentially clearing p

I don’t know. My thoughts of how scum might behave last night was incomplete as I didn’t realize they even had that option. I’m not sure I would though. Killing the other team means a partner hunt today which could land a correct lynch and me to fight every day by myself which would be miserable. So yeah I don’t know.

 

Feel pretty strongly that Tammy is town based on these most recent posts-- the confusion about the bulletproof feels like she didn't have one of the scum roles so she didn't read them too closely.

 

I'd agree it's not optimal if this was a bigger game with more numbers on each scum team. As it stands scum are forced into a fortune favors the bold mindset in this game....even more so scum team 1 who have only one player left. The rewards of not taking the shot and at least TRYING to hit the other scum team are low versus the risk. Yes scum team 1 has more of a chance that by night 2 having both scum teams in the game means more potential town NKs for them....it also greatly increases the risk of their team losing cause if mike teevee gets hit its over for Team 1.

Caution really isn't sloth's partners friend.

 

And you’d know, wouldn’t you, winkwink.

 

Yeah, I wouldn't want you to be miserable. Good thing you're not scum!

 

Cursory examination of EoD clears probably the entire Sloth wagon of being partnered with Sloth. At least the last ~3-4 voters.

In a game where there's two scum teams of two, bussing gets little to no cred and the progression of votes on Sloth doesn't seem partnery when Fluff was the leading wagon prior to the Sloth votes. If anyone's still thinking Fluff is scummy I'd actually be inclined to look into the Sloth wagon for potential Fluff partners than anything else.

Sort of working backwards and inside out, patience pls.
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...I used cursory backwards.
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This is actually a pretty towny post from Fluff. As scum, he has no reason to reprimand the thread in general for openly discussing scum strategy. Scum Fluff just quietly benefits from that thread environment because he knows it's beneficial for his team.

 

But teh question at hand is, what do Tom's pushes tell us about him?
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I believe that nobody in the "thread environment" was "discussing who scum should optimally nightkill". It struck me as weird at the time.

3rd vote on Sloth was Keldeo, who hopped off again and hedged quite a bit on that read. You're clearing him for being the 6th voter?

 

If tom's a wolf he's on team 2 and not 1 so I'm not looking to actively sort him today. How he pushed on sloth in the middle of day 1 where he said "dream of sloth being a wolf" isn't how he plays with a partner.

I'll copy paste my sloth not partners reasoning again if I have to but I still believe all of them are good. The leaves (without vote logic) Cerber / Cobalt / Fluff / Jarizok / Keldeo.

I'd prefer not to focus on the Sloth wagon. If there's a wolf on it I'm actually leaning towards Keldeo but hammering him is enough for me to try and find him elsewhere. Without Sloth wagon we have Cerber / Cobalt / Jarizok. Tom has nix'd Cerber as a wolf (which apparently he didn't feel the need to put in his solving post) so we're left with Cobalt and Jarizok in my opinion.

If you have other targets in mind I'd like a really good case for it.

Tom I disagree with your case against me because of the reasons from my side that make me not partners with Sloth. I don't really care how a wolf interacted with me when my side should be enough.
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Mendel, tell me why Jarizok isn't Sloths buddy. I must've missed that part.

Cobalt seems like the optimal lynch today. Glad they're actually pressing buttons now.
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@Cobalt Talk about specifically people you'd think are partners with Sloth when you've gotten a chance.

 

Basically.
Unless Sloth expected TerRaine to flip town? Because in that case, his stated Jarizok read collapses.
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Oh, and I looked at interactions as far as my text file goes, and didn't find any, but then I probably don't have the experience for that.

 

Okay I see what you're talking about. I'm labeling that as "light" in my sheet, but it's taking me off the scent.

Doesn't make me feel to comfortable that he seems pretty ambivalent about Cobalt being a prospective lynch in that post.

Hm.
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I do think Sloth thought TerRaine was town. There's some small nods to it in that post like where TerRaine shared the feeling of Keldeo being lackluster in a post. I think he wouldn't have put that in if he *really* thought TerRaine was scum.

 

Again, the existence of teammates is not the thing. It needs to be teammates that actively motivate him. See: fonti in ayaw. Dont see: old cat, where me and our other 7 partners didnt care about him except to let him get replaced...

I think youre looking at this like im saying it makes him scum absolutely, when i think it makes him more likely scum yes but really it makes me... want to pressure him and give him a chance to be towny if hes town.
Which is what im doing.
I already know youre gonna hate me voting for reasons other than "this is most likely wolf" so i guess continue thinking im scummy thats fine

As for the "lie"...
Im talking partially about votes but more about sentiment. At the time of cobalts popin the tide of thread temperature was turning against sloth.

But yes. In the towncobalt/scum2cobalt worlds, he likely wouldnt have known that and just asked about the top wagon according to votes.
Maybe its a coincidence basically.
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Best option is likely trying to finish off sloths team. Like, sure cross kills and such but...
If we get that buddy we start a 6v2 tomorrow with an info role that may already have results which seems real good.

Re: cerber
Separate from just thinking theyre town, i read slotha townread as pockety

Re: terraine
A planned bus like that is almost always a 2 way street. It comes naturally.

 

Could you please explain that like I'm 5? I have very little experience playing as scum.

 

I don't really view sloth's read on CerberAsta as pockety. It just feels really sleazy, and the reasoning is something he should know himself isn't going to be true.

Can you knock me into CerberAsta town for the day tom? I'm starting to drift in that direction.

 

Theres enough people here that know me lol.
As scum i play to my win condition.
I'll tack on a vote for cred or whatever, but Im never gonna be a force behind it.

Basically I figured out years ago that im just not good enough as town to have to and charismatic enough to get away with it.