If your buddy busses you relentlessly, what reason do you have to townread them?
If the goal is distance, why wouldnt you go both ways.
If your buddy is just being a dick to you because hes selfish and doesnt play to his wincon, you also feel like you have to do something

Its also just natural to push back against people pushing you as any alignment. And one of the prevalent reasons scum avoids doing so is changing the mind of the person suspecting them. Which also wouldnt be a consideration in the planned bus you're talking about
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I was but its not alignment indicative.

Once i think i know the setup, whether i do or not, im not gonna look at it again unless i get a reason to.

Will compile my posts about cerber and write a conclusion if needed/if i feel like it. But theres plenty in my iso tbh

 

Yeah I'd appreciate it. It's hard to read back well on this site, I've been spoiled.

You're saying that you would've just thought you had a vest even though it didn't say so? I mean okay, but I still think it's more likely a town dumbtell.

 

Sloth and I have similar amounts of smug hubris despite the time off from the game...Imma feel confident in saying he didn't expect to be lunch

 

I have to leave in 5 minutes, is there anything tricky you want to ask me to get me to slip up in that time?

 

lynch* God damn it

 

Sloth was fairly delicious if you ask me.
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I'm out glgl.

Tear apart my Partner Discussion list. @Mendel I'm not feeling super great about any of Jari/Cerber/Cobalt being the partner if I'm honest so if you could pick at what I've written I'd appreciate.

 

still think this holds.
Maybe not exact order but general sorting of
<less likely with sloth>
<null>
<more likely with sloth>

Maybe move keldeo down to null and bump up cerber on principle

Leaves me a pool of cobalt/poof+fluff/jari/keldeo that contains sloths buddy and some number of the other team.

I dig it for today for sure.

 

Anyone is welcome to do that fwiw but I'd love Mendel's opinion.

 

First attempt at a team 2 (aka no worldbuilding) rainbow wall:

Cerber/terraine
Tammy
Mendel/fluff
Keldeo/poof/jari
Cobalt

 

After the town reads list he’s got five nulls. (So, if I were scum sloth, you’d probably find my partner in the town or top half of null leaning town here. I know not everyone is comfortable town reading/leaning their partner even in multiball, which is why I’d like to look at a sloth scum game, so just in part putting this here because it does affect my bias.)

So not really sure what to make of the null group here made up of fluffy, keldeo, cobalt, Tammy, and empoof)

The reasons for none of them are really alignment indicative. (Oh you know what this readslist is in retrospect? Someone clearly only hunting one team.).

Omg for symmetry it’d be funny if it’s keldeo, plopped smack dab in the middle of the readslist. I can’t really make sense of where people should be. His reasoning for dropping empoof was so sloppy. I don’t really get why empoof is lower than me or not up there with Tom. Not progressing the game or asking questions could be said for any of his top nulls, so why is he lower. His I like empoof for town I didn’t say he was town fiasco was just so sloppy regardless if on a partner like all he had to do was say he changed his mind after getting freaked out by post 100, so I really just don’t get what he was doing at all. I’d like to believe he’s not this sloppy with a partner but like what the heck was he doing.

For keldeo, he’s giving a reason for having him on the town side of null because terrain liked a point he made, which is uh he’s using something positive his strongest scumread said about someone as part of the reason he has him on the town side of null which we’ll i don’t know what to do with that.

I was hoping this would be more fruitful than it is. Get to the scum reads in a minute.

 

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Any thoughts on the empoof read there compared to those around it?
It really stands out to me

 

Besides what I just said there? I want to go back to be sure, but his interaction with me yesterday felt like he suspected me and was trying to get a read on me. He asked me for some of my reads, and followed up on my fluffy town lean on empoof, but it didn’t feel like he was also trying to read empoof. He commented on 100 with the throwaway “don’t do this to me empoof”, but not the meta read on me, which I pointed out to him yesterday as a missed opportunity to get a read on both of us since he should have been looking for my partner if he suspected me. (There’s a part of me that imagines scum sloth seeing me ask why he didn’t ask empoof questions also and he scuttled in to ask him a couple throwaway questions in response. But I doubt I’m that scary lol)
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But I also want to check the timing and interactions after that because I’d like to see how that played out after I brought up that first question to him to rule out scum capitalizes on what’s been pointed out as a weird interaction.

 

I made less posts about cerber than i thought! This is probably the only good one:

what it comes down to though.
Im watching him figure out what hes supposed to be doing. Trying to do good things. Hes forming reads and the progression all makes sense but hes receptive to others opinions and takes it in.
Some of the solving is pretty far out there, but like. That only makes it townier in my mind?

I do wish i had more because this sort of "yeah i think hes genuinely trying to solve" read is less reliable in multiball, and thats what it boils down to.

Would also add hes not scum with poof, keldeo, fluff, terraine.

Im not super high on "sloth was pocketing him" hes still ~null based on sloth flip alone. But it does look more like pocketing than pushing an agenda to me. There was a couple times he basically called him adorable noob town in different words.

 

As far as the scum reads go, he either really did scum read terrain or he was trying to keep her tilted. It’s not out of the realm of possibility this is a distancing read because he never really tried to get it off the ground. He came in with the RVS type vote and then shaped the read, but he never really tried to push it or get people on the wagon, which makes sense as scum who is not immune from the nightkill. However, the way that terrain interacted with him has me less thinking it’s partnery because she felt like she was trying to appease and mollify him, which would make sense if on the other team. (I’ve seen scum ray to appease their partner for distancing though so this is not 100% it just feels less likely.) The only time I thoight her interaction with him sounded like a town response from her end was when she said he knew her scum game was better than that. That’s think though. I had a theory that at eod scum terrain was sitting on her hands because if sloth was lynched, even though he was a town read, he’d not be a thorn in her side so she’d benefit regardless.

That might not be fair if she’s not the type to push her scum/town reads down other people’s throats, but it was still very concerning. Though a warm hamburger is very important, and I’m jealous she gets food delivery early. Mine usually takes so long I’m not hungry anymore.

Also the i might regret this but I’m staying where I am depending on the level of ballsiness for a player probably not partnery.
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My battery is dying and I should probably finish writing this exam for tomorrow, so I’ll finish up jarizok and thoughts later.

 

So what you're saying is, since TerRaine townread Sloth, it wasn't a double bus, and therefore not a bus at all?
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Tom is work to ISO. TerRaine is work to ISO. Keldeo was flip-floppy on Sloth.

Fluff voted lots of other places and then self-preserved onto Sloth, you did put the Jarizok wagon up after that but I feel the momentum was going towards Sloth and away from a LHF lynch (or at least that is where I was pushing it, hard for me to tell how you guys perceived it). So fluff being on the Sloth wagon is mostly NAI for me. It did feel towardss EoD that Sloth was trying to engineer a fluffiness vs TerRaine thunderdome by asking people about fluffiness cases, but that's a very tinfoily impression.

I think if Jarizok was his partner,Sloth would have come up with more scum reads. That's another D1 thing that I never asked Sloth about, because "hey, why do you only have 2 scum reads when we need to find 4 scum" is something you can brush off, but I feel Sloth would've placed his partner in a bigger group than just two. OTOH he got me to elaborate on my early Jarizok defense with the LHF question, and Jarizok came out with that weird "You're just assuming someone thinks X" swipe on my Keldeo interaction exactly 10 posts after I voted Sloth, so, yeah. I'm a long way from townreading Jarizok.

I've been biased against CerberAsta ever since their reads list, so I'mnot going to townclear them for you. Like, I can easily see Sloth putting Cerber up as top town to boost their confidence, and then tellingCerber to scumread Sloth so it doesn't look like buddying; but the reason Sloth is scumread for ("stirring things up") was one that I thought applied to me as well, but I was so town on that list, I didn't even rate a fraction. An I've been looking at Cerber/Sloth through that lens all D1 after that, and there was nothing that made me disbelieve they were partners. So my tunnelvision(tm) says Cerber is rightfully down on that list.

"pretty empty" fits the bill on Cobalt, I believe I've said enough before? We'll see how Cobalt shapes up today.

I mean, these 4 I have written about are exactly the LHF I didn't want to lynch yesterday, but most everyone else was on the Sloth wagon.


I like Tammy's observation that Sloth designed the setup, and probably played through various wolf strategies in testing, so he could actually have had a convincing strategy in mind when he joined the game with that vote on TerRaine that never wavered. Hard to tell what it was, though.
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@CerberAsta , do you remember why you did not change your vote to Sloth at the end of day 1? Since you did scumread him earlier in your list, had that changed by that time?

 

could've been he honestly scum read or he knows me well...we are rl friends and I have a temper. If he thought I was town he may have thought I'd be a easy lynch with a combo of rusty and that he could push me into getting frustrated and rage posting

 

Well. I think terraine is town. And i think the way sloth pushed her doesnt look partnery.
But yes i also think if she was sloths partner pushing him back would be more natural

 

Probably not going to be able to get back here tonight. Monday's pretty much my busiest day of the week, so it's hard to carve out some time. If I finish work before I crash and my brain turns to mush, I'll finish up the thoughts I started, soooo glad Jarizok came back in to share his thoughts btw, but probably won't get back until tomorrow.
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Bah. Not finished with work but need a break from it.

The jarizok read is solely tied to terrain, literally nothing is based on what jarizok has done but where he this terrain is treating him like a partner.

Terrain - did you ever explain why you had jarizok so high on you ur reads list of 110?

Also I found the part where sloth scoffs at someone who has a scum read on Cerber with the (Asta???). That was the same post lol, but it was to Terrains, which makes it not as genuine feeling somehow actually. It’s just that when you’re pushing one friend about another friend that just makes the ties get knotted, you know.

And my other half just got home from work, I’d like to see him for a few minutes before I pass out.

So tomorrow with some better thoughts hopefully!

 

@Mendel I didn't change my vote on Sloth largely because I wasn't able to get back on after 12pm or so that day. (I think I might've posted once after the reminder of End of Day coming MAYBE but I didn't see what was happening until the lynch had happened so. Yeah.) It was also definitely a case of "knowing the person made it hard to recognize what could be scumsigns". I'm still pretty heavily winging this whole "parse what folks say in order to figure out multiple layers of duplicitous motives" thing, and since Sloth is just generally an inquisitive person and VERY into games, I wasn't really sure what to make of his general performance.

I'm trying to go back over each individual member's posts in this thread but it's a long process. At first blush, I generally have it as

Town: Mendel, Tammy, Tom
Null: Empoof, Ter, Jarizok, Keldeo
Scum?: Cobalt, Fluff

Mendel made the biggest push against Sloth and didn't seem to be getting a lot of active help from any single other person until the final day. I'm open to suggestions on who he could have been coordinating with, but idk

Tammy-- "dumbtell" seemed more townie than anything else (one person seems to disagree; also she was first to express the notion, so I'm not really taking into account anyone who might have said it after to send the same flare)

Fluff and Cobalt just made posts that read weird in the lead-up to End of Day 1 and if Cobalt isn't Sloth's partner, I'd pin them for Fluff's.

I don't have clear reasoning on anyone else, other than general gut feelings I get based on specific word choice patterns that I couldn't explain in a satisfactory way if I tried. Super doesn't matter since I have four Nulls.

Hopefully I'll have better ideas over the course of the week but. Things.
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I should specify I honestly don't even REALLY have major evidence on Fluff and Cobalt and they could very easily turn things around this week if they have good enough reasons to throw on Jarizok and Empoof, who are probably on the low end of Null for me.

I might ought to take a harder stance against Ter due to early accusations of buddying and maybe follow the line of her being bussed super quickly by Sloth but none of that............ really feels like something to work with. To me. IDK!

 

@CerberAsta , do you remember why you did not change your vote to Sloth at the end of day 1? Since you did scumread him earlier in your list, had that changed?

that's illogical
if TerRaine is town, as you believe, then NOT pushing back was demonstrably natural
so, TerRaine did an unnatural thing, yet you see no cause for suspicion?
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ugh why does this forum remember what I typed and posted?
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You often don't have "major" evidence in mafia. This is why town hunting helps: if you can clear enough players with enough confidence, you can lynch all scum with the number of mislynches alotted.

That's a good idea. Setting the forum to 100 posts per page helps.
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@Keldeo come and play with us

As I was looking through some back posts just now, I had this sudden awareness that I like this game: I like the relaxed pace, and all of the players. This game feels good.
So now you know what your guest thinks of you.