Morning.

Glad you're liking the longer phases, it's an acquired taste for a lot of people.

I'd argue that townhunting in this game is harder than normal given scum get to have genuine thoughts and less overall agenda. I do think that Tammy / tom are town and that you're (Mendel) probably town. But it feels really unnatural and I catch myself having and erasing reads a lot due to multiball. Think it's led me to be a little jaded at times. I still don't think I'm ever lynching Tammy / Mendel / Tom this game as second scum team and if I did it would be in the incredible late game and never ever Tammy.

I'm not having coffee today so I'm naturally feeling more nervous than usual, but I'm just super bugged by both Sloth's willingness to shade Cobalt and Cobalt's overall lack of engagement. Feels way more rand than it should be. He's still an option for team 2, made a few notes about potential partners but there's just no way of knowing. And I'm pretty sure if we lynch town today I can't stop tom from tunneling me. I just don't know if I physically have the time to do that.

I think I'm moving towards wanting to talk about bussing potential. Making a note to dive in to Keldeo (man I put this off for way too long) and Fluff interactions to see what comes out. I've talked myself out of Cerber for right now even after Mendel's tunnelvision(tm). We can blame tom if I reevaled wrong. Though probably part of me moving away from Cerber is him also having the same town core. [FONT=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Fira Sans, Droid Sans, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif]I'm talking myself out of Jarizok too. I don't really think that "someone thinks X" post was that scummy for Jarizok, just sort of strange-feeling. I keep having this nagging feeling that Jarizok would've been more friendly-feeling as scum, like how his first couple posts were. Sort of like a used car [/FONT]salesman[FONT=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Fira Sans, Droid Sans, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif] grinning at everyone. It makes me want to reread our champs game tbh.[/FONT]
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I think I'm moving towards wanting to talk about bussing potential. Making a note to dive in to Keldeo (man I put this off for way too long) and Fluff interactions to see what comes out. I've talked myself out of Cerber for right now even after Mendel's tunnelvision(tm). We can blame tom if I reevaled wrong. Though probably part of me moving away from Cerber is him also having the same town core. I'm talking myself out of Jarizok too. I don't really think that "someone thinks X" post was that scummy for Jarizok, just sort of strange-feeling. I keep having this nagging feeling that Jarizok would've been more friendly-feeling as scum, like how his first couple posts were. Sort of like a used car salesman grinning at everyone. It makes me want to reread our champs game tbh.

 

Tom was so towny today that you're clearing him? Could you walk me through that, please?

 

It is very...pleasant.

...Sorry I do kinda miss the occasional table flip/chair throw rage of the old games but this is also nice!

 

No. "Having reads" is why villagers do unnatural things.
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Nah poof just wants me to back off.
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Yeah good vibes itg.

 

Not as much as I should have. my case for Jarizok seeming towny

I like exploring game mechanics. Give insight to how a scum team might act. This seems like a towny thing to explore

Noticing this pinged me as helpful to route out scumm behavior

asking questions and pressuring his reads. He's not super high up on the activty scale but when he is he's trying to play the game and parse out what people are doing

Except it makes someone look superficially towny when it really isnt.

Any reads at all besides fluff not scum and clearing the whole sloth wagon?

 

Believe town derp, even if he doesn't believe it's AI. Also some other things that are hard to parse right now. He's been townie enough today to not want me to lynch him as a second scum team, yes. I'll probably reeval in the late game if we've continuously missed but I also just have a feeling that he'll end up more clear whenever we hit the second scum team.

I do want tom to back off but that has nothing to do with my read.

 

Checking in on "sort by postcount":

Tammy 89
Tom 82
Terraine 82
Poof 60
Mendel 59
Fluff 39
Keldeo 26
Sloth 26
Jari 20
Cerber 19
Cobalt 11

 

So thinking about it, sloth could have stuck his partner anywhere really, and his list probably doesn’t help anything and what might be more helpful is how people responded to him. I don’t know I was just thinking about myself and how when I first started playing mafia how atrocious my scum game was, and early on I figured if I was going to be a drain on my team and get lynched right away, the least I could do was obfuscate my reads and interactions so that finding my partner would at least be a little more difficult from my end. At least I hoped, and the more I consider sloth’s reads the more I think that while he may not have expected to get lynched day one, he had that in mind. So bleh.

When I’m at my computer I want to look back at empoof’s reaction to the way he tripped over his empoof read. If a partner starts fumbling that badly in the distancing game, sometimes the only proper response is to drop kick him hard.

Tom - how is the way empoof is treating you any different than the way terrains was treating sloth?

Jarizok works some awfully long hours! Keeldeo’s Forgotten about us. Aaand you’d think cobalt would at least had something to sink his teeth into. It’d be nice to hear some fluffer thoughts as well.
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Trying to figure out if sloth’s vote change to fluff means anything for fluff. Some people think that’s distancing, but it tends to just look scummy. Not sure if it was a last ditch hope that he wouldn’t be lynched so self pres.

 

Sorry, how is it similar?
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I do think its most likely sloth kept his buddy in the null pile, but not by a huge amount.

Him actively deciding to put empoof at null despite only negative thoughts on him still looks like the favorite to me.

 

Trying to figure out if sloth’s vote change to fluff means anything for fluff. Some people think that’s distancing, but it tends to just look scummy. Not sure if it was a last ditch hope that he wouldn’t be lynched so sel

Your scumreading/pushing empoof he’s turning around and town reading you. You say that’s to get him off you.

Sloth was scumreading/pushing terrains and terrains townread sloth in response. Why don’t you have any suspicion that terrains was doing what you’re accusing empoof of doing?

 

https://forums.darklordpotter.net/posts/1114563/
https://forums.darklordpotter.net/posts/1114666/

Two main responses / reactions to Sloth's weird read of me.
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Not really in a solving mood and pretty frustrated whenever I get in the thread, so feel free to at me if you have questions or need something. I'll try to read over Keldeo after I do a couple things to try to secure a job out here. And post sign ups for my multiball mash.

 

How do you do this?

 

First off, im not pushing empoof for that. Its true regardless of his alignment.

But i still dont see it as similar terraine engaged with sloths read of her, went back and forth on him, and the thoughts make sense.
Empoof is putting his fingers in his ears on the case against him, and townreading me for a townslip that i didnt even post in real time and isnt AI anyway
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Turn phone sideways to see magnifying glass>total postcount at the bottom.

Gotta do it one person at a time though

 

We can fight about the case if you want, I just don't really see a rational or useful way for me to fight a tunnel if you think I'm wolfy. I'd probably end up agreeing with you on some parts, but still think just the way that I came around on Sloth isn't how I'd go about it as a partner. I wouldn't cut off alternative options for myself with Jarizok and Fluff by finding reasons to not really want to lynch them when they're my two counter wagons.

Everything else is just conjecture. I ended up voting for Sloth in a way that I don't think I would do as a partner. I'm not going to say that I no longer bus or that bussing is outside my wheelhouse, but I think that how I went about voting Sloth is something I would view as against my win condition.
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So like... the rest of the points don't mean anything to me because I did something that I don't think I would do, but you think I would do for whatever reason. Like you can pull up a bunch of things from Sloths side, and maybe even some from my side, but Sloth was a wolf so I don't really care and have an inherent disagreement with whatever conclusions you'd come up with.

And it's not just the dumbtell, the dumbtell just helps.

But I'm here hello, I'll play along with whatever game you want me to dance through that would have you end up in the same spot after the fact.

 

Turn phone sideways to see magnifying glass>total postcount at the bottom.

Gotta do it one person at a time though

You literally voted jari and backed off your fluff townread when sloth became a wagon...

 

I voted Jarizok and then next post said "I don't feel great about this", which I don't think I would do.

I don't remember backing off my fluff townread, maybe I had a more internal EoD than I remember.
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I remember being super indifferent about Fluff and then coming around on him when EoD was hitting.
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Well, even if I backed off on my fluff read I have no reason to give reasonings for not voting Jarizok when given the opportunity. I don't think that would help me in any way. Maybe I'm just remembering wrong.
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https://forums.darklordpotter.net/posts/1114749/
https://forums.darklordpotter.net/posts/1114751/

Yeah these were the things I was thinking of. I wasn't really vibing with wanting fluff to die, but not really enough to go out of my way to dismantle a wagon on him.

Think I'd probably word this differently if I was hoping to get a wagon that wasn't Sloth. Like "Fluff has said a lot of words but at the end of the day I would be happy lynching him" instead of voicing a mild concern with him being a lynch target like I did.

 

Your first two posts after me and mendel started sloth wagon:

Along with voting jari and agreeing with tammy about not wanting to lynch sloth...

 

https://forums.darklordpotter.net/posts/1114817/
https://forums.darklordpotter.net/posts/1114823/

Pretty good look for me here

Off the cuff, pretty in flow, think both of these posts would be hard for me to make as mafia in that position with a partner getting strung up.

But I am a high functioning wolf so maybe I would be able to. I think particularly the second one would be more difficult for me to make but not sure how self aware I am about that particular type of discussion I am.
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Yeah but

I lynched Sloth. And it wasn't an agreement with not wanting to lynch Sloth, it was that feeling of uncomfortableness from that slot that I had been going through throughout most of day 1. He was probably the person that most fluctuated for me after reading over there posts and thinking about them. I'm pretty sure I recently linked a post about that feeling when talking about the 2 reactionary posts that went over that pretty well imo.

 

Are you honestly trying to tell me you think saying you dont feel good about lynching the person you were currently voting over dead scum is towny?

Or saying you were projecting voting sloth when you a) werent and b) was in response to be called his buddy?

 

Need to take a dump for a second but am willing to walk over any thought process wrt to Sloth at any point from that day phase, and am willing to walk over my thoughts at End of Day at length if need be.

I just think you're really stubborny tunneled and regardless of what I say will find a way to twist it into me being a wolf.

I'm still happy to do it, mostly since I don't have a strong desire to solve at the moment and talking about myself is kinda fun.