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Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory Mafia

Discussion in 'Little Italy' started by Eidolonic, Oct 21, 2019.

  1. tom

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    Like, i dont think your side of this is actively w/w with sloth. Thats from his side.

    But its clearly one of the most likely bus votes (you and keldeo imo) and your reasons it should be considered towny are real real bad
     
  2. Empoof

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    Yes I'm saying that my saying I don't feel good about lynching someone that I was voting and then switching over to voting Sloth is townie.

    If you're saying I was brow beat into voting Sloth because you called me his partner, I would say that I made that post before I read your partner post so I'm still in on the winning side there. And my immediate reaction light-hearted post with good tone about how I'm posturing to vote Sloth is townie and difficult for me to make as scum buddies with him.
     
  3. tom

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    Like your first two posts after wagon started were literally as prowolf as possible.
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    Its literally in response to my post calling you his partner
     
  4. Empoof

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    Nah I think they're good, especially if you know how my brain works.

    You're trying to look at it from a pure objective standpoint when they came from my mouth so they actually mean something because of it. Same way you pushing on Sloth the way you did makes you not partners with him. You're stuck in this mindset from pre-powerwolf poof where I would be incredibly bus happy and fold immediately to my partners getting any sort of heat.

    It takes a lot more now for me to bus, and usually I have to feel personally in danger to do that which I would argue that I didn't feel.
     
  5. tom

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    Im overusing "literally"
     
  6. Empoof

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    Jarizok wavering happened before I read your post, regardless if it was posted before or after. Me responding to it is when I saw it regardless of alignment.
     
  7. Fluffiness

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    Tom is still my number 1 town.
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    Not sure taking your own posts and talking about how towny they make you is a good look.
     
  8. tom

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    Thats not the post either of us were talking about there friendo
     
  9. Empoof

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    What are you talking about then, I must've gotten lost.
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    Well, I'm trying to show my perspective and I believe the posts I made came from that. And if I have to get really deep into self meta about why I think I'm not partners with Sloth to tom for him to at least get him passed "empoof is just ignoring" then that's what I'm going to do.

    I do tend to be very full of myself, but that's what I think.
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    Oh you're talking about me saying "mood" about being unsure about Sloth, and voting Jarizok.

    Yeah okay, but the follow up posts are me being townie so why do those prowolf posts matter?
     
  10. tom

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    Well you could try reading your posts about it because it looks like youre referring to three of your posts as one...

    But basically this seems like a waste of time if your main point is "dont look at my actual opinions look at the caveats i posted afterward"
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    Hilarious xpost
     
  11. Empoof

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    Nah I'm not saying don't look at my actual opinions. I want you to look at them. I just don't think I should be condemned for them when I did anti-wolf behavior right afterwards.

    Tammy when she made her post about Sloth summed up my feelings about him pretty well, feelings that took me a lot of paragraphs that I made earlier in the game to try and articulate. So I said "mood". Then I voted someone who I'd been feeling mildly uncomfortable about for a lot of the phase in Jarizok. Pretty standard par-for-the-course poof post making.
     
  12. tom

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    Like, i strongly agree scumempoof would plan not to bus but then see the tide turning against a buddy and back off and see the writing on the wall.

    I also agree that town/other team empoof felt weird about sloth and ended up there partially because he didnt feel good about jarizok but mostly because thats who we were lynching.

    It is baffling you think that should be thought of as towny.
     
  13. Empoof

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    It's like, you're reading my posts and forcing a view of wolfiness behind them. So you come out with wolf. When my posts are coming from town!me and are pretty reasonable. So I'm trying to highlight posts that I wouldn't make as a wolf, which is different than posts that I could make as either alignment fairly reasonably.

    Like, my range is probably pretty large. I think I'm fairly capable of a lot of things. I think I've been fairly townie this game and done enough non-partnery things to not be your literal #1 partner pair.
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    Well, if not townie I've done non-partnery things. Which should be enough for us to try and actually find Sloths partner instead of me just jacking myself off at how amazing I am. But this is what you wanted :sherlock:and I LOVE jerking myself off.
     
  14. tom

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    No. I wanted engagement on the reason i think your sloths buddy. Aka that he actively forced you into a null read despite having only negative things to say
    You wanted to say how your <NAI to lightly wolfy> eod was super towny
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    I'll freely admit i went into my eod reread already thinking you were sloths buddy. Hell i thought that AT eod. So i likely did approach with that bias.
    But like

    There is no way these posts youre highlighting are out of you wolfrange. Theyre approximately the right posts to make as a wolf even
     
  15. Empoof

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    You're saying <NAI to lightly wolfy> when it's not, is the issue. And I can't change your perspective on that, when I should be in a non-prowolf agenda for the aftermath of it. I will argue to the ends of the earth there wasn't enough "writing on the wall" when Sloth almost didn't get lynched and with All 3 of Sloth+Me+Keldeo (who was actively saying they'd rather lynch Fluff) Sloth lives and Fluff dies. I know how to count votes.

    Okay, let's talk about Sloth's reads that now. How would you like me to go about it? Sloth had me as null, with a lot of negative things. Cool. He was a wolf, I don't really know what he was thinking or why he would do that.

    I do think that Sloth going from a town read on me, to revoking that while other people had a townread on me (iirc, I might be misremembering that timeline exactly but I'm pretty sure Mendel/TerRaine/Fluff were all townreading me with Tammy sort of half-heartedly "wanting to") doesn't make sense from a partner perspective. If other people have reason to town read me around that time, why is he going out of his way to say he DIDN'T when there would be townie perspective that says he could totally have said that? I'd understand more if he formed a progression from town->scum to distance, seeing as I was probably not a likely lynch candidate. But revoking is just a really strange move to make from a partner.

    But maybe there's a world where he would do that sort of thing. I'm not really sure, I don't really understand how Sloth wolfs (part of why I'm struggling when looking over his posts to find his partner).

    But you can ask questions about that and I'll try to find ways to make it townie? Or be like "okay, sure that could happen" when it's not the reality we live in.
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    So like. What do we talk about with you looking at Sloth's posts and coming to some sort of partner conclusion when it's not real and there's some pretty good reasons (imo, obviously) I'm not a wolf from my side and it's the side I can expand and go deep in to to try and convince you.
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    I've only got a little more time left here (like 30ish minutes) before I need to start getting downtown so if you want more back and forth let me know.

    I'm literally an open book.
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    Well, I'm goat and probably still didn't convince you. FeelsBadMan. For my next trick I'll focus really hard on finding Sloth's partner so you can go in to the next day somehow thinking I'm a wolf still even though it's likely all based on being Sloth's partner and me just being a good player.

    I'm sure you can twist anything you want into it being a wolf agenda for me but I'm not going to let you. I refuse to be lynched! I am the Alpha and Omega! I'll drag you to the finish line kicking and screaming if I have to.

    See ya later.
     
  16. Tammy

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    Sorry about that. Other half got home earlier than expected and I got distracted. Won't be around too much tonight most likely, but you've got me tomorrow night when I get home from work.

    Anyway, maybe I'm a sucker for emotion and frustration, but really this would be empoof regardless of his alignment and when I think about the way he was with Sloth yesterday, it wasn't really all that scummy either. You wanna know why? Because the sentiments that empoof had about Sloth yesterday were also shared by me and by Tom. My read on Sloth was that a pendulum that kept going back and forth. Thought he was scummy but some things felt genuine and I didn't know what to do with him. Tom agreed and thought some things with him didn't add up, and even when he voted said that he didn't see the manipulator mastermind but basically threw his vote on the wagon because that's what Tom does sometimes. Empoof agreed with my sentiment on Sloth. So outside of Mendel who had a lock scum read there, the other three of us who talked about Sloth were basically in agreement that we literally did not know what to make of Sloth. (I'm leaving Keldeo out of this because I don't remember off the top of my head Keldo end of day beyond what Tom posted of Keldeo to Sloth concerning his reads and I need to start cooking dinner and I think it would just emphasize my point anyway.)

    So anyway what I'm trying to say is that his treatment of Sloth isn't outside of what a townie would also do because I really can't see how it was that much different than me you know? (I know Tom also has that post about scum teams that sorry I don't think I read actually besides just this, but that ^ doesn't read all that scummy to me in a vaccuum.)

    And here's the rub. This is the vote spread from yesterday.

    EoD1 Vote Count
    Sloth (6): Mendel, Tom, His Fluffiness, Tammy, Empoof, Keldeo
    His Fluffiness (4): Jarizok, CerberAsta, TerRaine, Sloth
    Jarizok (1): Cobalt


    Did fluffy say much about sloth yesterday? My recollection is that he scum read Cerber, voted there, scum read Terrain, voted there, then somewhere near end of day voted sloth after also discussing jarizok with me. (I asked about Jarizok, it was not initiated by him and I'm not trying to suggest it was.)

    Cobalt was gone all day and didn't have one word to say about sloth.

    Did Jarizok say anything about sloth? He definitely wasn't around to react to the wagon.

    I don't know like how do you measure people who didn't say anything against people who fumbled for the read? I'm gonna stop rambling because I don't have a clear conclusion here and I need to get dinner started, but I don't think the indecision there is scummy.

    (I am still stuck on the weird ass empoof read from Sloth as well as the blunt thing concerning Tom. Both of those still feel weird. IDK this conversation does make me feel like Tom believes what he says about empoof though.)
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    What I'm trying to figure out with you is that you slotted Terrain town early for a decently thin reason and you don't seem like you've reconsidered that. So, is this your townie thing where you sometimes townread someone for a reason that you never reassess OR you as scum slotting people in a read you can explain when asked that you never reassess. I considered the possibility of you and Terrain being partners but I'm not sure how that stands with the way she treated and discussed you at the start of day.
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    Terraine - Can you point me in the direction of a Sloth scum game?
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    Oh and I don’t think that if Cerber is scum that he says scum with sloth. HE sounds tonally more confident today, and I don’t think think that happens if he loses his partner day one in his first scum game.
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    oh I guess if sloth really did scum read terrains then he’d be opening himself up to being shit by her, so maybe that wasn’t a real scum read.

    Empoof what amde you think that was a fake scum read?
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    Terrain

    Is your major point on Tom that he lied about the wagon development? Is there anything else he’s done?

    I don’t quite understand where the passionate defense of cobalt comes from high. AaLso it’s not just that cobalt isn’t here though that’s a big part of. It’s that there’s literally no life to him when he is. The liveliest he’s been was when discussing Robert Pattinson as an actor. That’s it. Granted I don’t know cobalts game all that well, but I associate energy and life with him when he does come into a game, and he feels dead inside here.
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    OH I remember the point I was going to make earlier. Sloth should read on empoof was weird. Like objectively I doubt about it weird. But how often do you see scum, in multiball, not just go along with the town who’s erroneously town reading their partner. I mean why get so bent out of shape that people were scum reading him for his questions but not his partner. Why wouldn’t he just take that to the bank?
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    Sorry my posts are a mess.
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    Is it wrong that there’s a part of me hoping for a newcomb replace in?
     
  17. Empoof

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    Thing that got me thinking that was his read on Keldeo and him saying "I like what Ter already noted". Here's it quoted:

    He's saying it like he respects her opinion, that he's considering what she's saying. He's on one scum team, and is basically ass blasting her in the rest of the post and having a lot of connections to her to fuel his reads. Hopefully I'm conveying this well enough, it just sort of feels like he's aware that TerRaine is town. From how bicker-y and dynamic their relationship seems to be, I'm pretty sure if he truly thought TerRaine was scum then this sentence would be more pointed? Or more of a legitimate boon for Keldeo but it's not. This also doesn't feel like a read to show off that "he's totally thinking about multiple scum reads" it's just sort of... sitting there.

    Newcomb is the man and would definitely be a welcome replacement.
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    Next 24 hours are rough for me so if you need me to respond to something at me.
     
  18. CerberAsta

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    I have Empoof's "Bro you wolfing" at Sloth permanently locked in the back of my mind, bass-boosted because those three words in that particular order at that particular time made me laugh for no discernible reason, and I'mma be honest? Makes me lean away from Empoof as Sloth's partner.

    Could just be the weird humor of it. Anyways, Empoof is throwing around citations and stuff but seems SUPER relaxed about it to me, which feels a little bit like he's accepted that he's just gonna get scumread by Tom but there's no reason to be worried because he's definitely town. Maybe Empoof is just REAL good at staying calm and collected under intense, direct scrutiny.
     
  19. TerRaine

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    It was less a defense of him and more of a defense of pushing to wagon someone not here for potentially RL reasons. Especially when Cobalt said he'd picking up

    That previous patience is currently wearing pretty freaking thin though given he's done nothing since

    That was one of the points. There was other reasons I posted in D1. I will present my reasons and link back to the posts tomorrow. I'm too tired to look for it all right now and gotta do some payroll shite for work
     
  20. CerberAsta

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    Was a little weirded out to realize I've got the second-to-least number of posts, but not surprised since I generally only have one or two windows to post so I just do it all at once.
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    Also, yeah, Cobalt hasn't been around at all and it's kinda weird. I'm genuinely sympathetic to RL stuff but even a quick five minute "what up" feels like a decent way to maintain a presence.