Lol. My super wordy post isn't very wordy right now; it's about 3-5 short sentences on each player except for Cuthalion and Waco Kid from not-super-deep, but still realistic, actual ISO dives. Waco Kid I have an in-media-res townlean on with no deep dive to confirm. Cuthalion I have actually no read on either from reading as I go or from direct reads, and I intend to change that ASAP.

That said, for those for whom I do have reads (everyone other than Waco or Cuthalion):

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Rhand - I think that Rhand's thoughts on Sloth, on tom, and on the setup are all on solid ground. He seems to be solving and not following some other form of agenda. I particularly liked his Sloth case. Rhand is another easy townread. I would be extremely unlikely to lynch here.

Keldeo - I was sorta hit or miss on early posts, but I don't think that they're a significant letdown on the amount of thought process that Keldeo seems to have put in. Keldeo is a relatively straight-forward townread. I would be extremely unlikely to lynch here.

M Plus 7 - I feel like there could be an agenda here, but I like their spirit and I think that their thought process is pure. I would be rather unlikely to lynch here.

Miner/Gemma - Gemma is hard for me to read, and I had seen scum pings there, but I think Miner is correct that Gemma just wasn't having fun. Miner seems pure as someone who replaced into a scumread town slot. I think that I meh-read Gemma, and townread Miner. Overall, I have a townread here. I would be rather unlikely to lynch here.

@tom - This dismissiveness is sorta what I was talking about with you month(s) ago. (Calling you out here.)

tom - I think I have to townread tom in the end. I was trying to use reflexive analysis here and I think it just worked out correctly. Tom is reading the game, and any shenanigans are tom being tom. I would be relatively unlikely to lynch here.

Sloth - I have to put this slot at null. I think that he has potential to go either way, and my sorting of him needs to see more flips to really get anywhere solid. I'd be willing to lynch here, but it would take some convincing.

Grapefruit21 - Grapefruit's a bit fluffy and worn around the edges here. I think that he's coasting to a significant degree, and I don't like it. I also find that he works well on a team with Seratin, which is not a good look for him given that Seratin also looks rather scummy. Associative scumread with a scumlean regardless. I'd be relatively happy to lynch here.

Fluffiness - Fluffiness is trying to hide out of view in the thread. This slot needs to be hard pushed and probably lynched. There's another easy scumread. I'd be happy to lynch here.

Seratin - Seratin's 807 is cleanup for their 712, regardless of alignment. Their 712 feels really easy and fake. The fact that outside of this "disgust", Seratin's contributions have been few and far between, is not a good look. Seratin feels like an easy scumread. I'd be happy to lynch here.

 

So it was mostly that fire didn't give you any reason to townread him?

 

Tom describes his own play regularly as putting on a performance. I think that this is more the case as scum than as town in a manner of speaking. But in this case in particular, I think that tom is not trying to manipulate nearly as much as he usually does as scum, which is a really good look for him.

 

Osi, that readslist could not be less what i asked for but also kind of answers my question anyway

 

But at the same time, I think that grape goes between situation control and coasting as scum when he doesn't feel that he needs to appear like he's solving. It's not that rigid, but I certainly see a degree of that here. That when he is posting it appears to be either shallow or for the sake of shoring up concerns. He definitely could have felt that a scumread on you was untenable in the long run.

 

Im not sure you could be townreading me for worse reasons tbh

 

I mean... That's what I have for notes. Sorry that today is the first IRL day that I've really gotten engaged...

 

The scum read wasn't entirely fake but it was strongly over exaggerated. I was pinged to just scum side of null but later events changed my opinion on you (Fonti/GH's flip, your relative clarity due to meta differences, and plain old sheeping).

@Osieorb18 I have Fluff in the scum range as well just because I can't remember a single post by him. I know there was one people reacted positively too but I missed it and haven't ISO'd him to find it yet. If he becomes a wagon I will.

 

...first, how can you possibly expect anyone to understand if that's what you meant when you use the words "upside down" in reference to it?
I...hate that I can't just call you a liar on this because maybe that is exactly what you meant?
Can I get an second opinion with someone more familiar with Grape?

Is this town > scum or scum > town?

 

I mean, outside of #951, albeit having not gone through a detailed PBPA of you, there's no post that makes me want to lynch you on principle.
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@tom Also, Grapefruit seems to want to pocket me whereas you seem to be trying to figure me out and core together despite our differences, which is another positive sign.

 

Oh okay, I see what you mean now, thanks.
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I'm having a really hard time reading Osi so I'm likely going to ISO soon here. How typical is this kind of reasoning for them?

 

First of all, if youre going to sheep me on anything rn it should be fluff town.

The worlds where he fools me and cuth if were both town after MCU are nigh nonexistent, and i dont think cuth thats w/w with fluff again can pull off that conversation with me.

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Who are you sheeping on me?
Can you remember some early posts that started to change your mind that you maybe akipped posting about because you were pushing the scumread?

 

I'm admittedly now confused as well.

 

Interesting that you say that, because the extent to which he's openly exhibiting his self-awareness is one of the things making me townread him more.

 

This is actively very true. It's just not as AI as you want it to be. I know I burned you by coasting that one game which sucks, but rather than fix the problem I just coast more and only put on the try hard pants when the mood strikes me and I don't trust anyone else to do it.

@Sloth I mean it's not technically upside down but it's not far off.

vs:
Waco
Tom
Sloth
Cuth
Sera
Osie
Rhand
Miner
Keldeo
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Fluff about equal to Miner

 

I won't post a full reads list per the reasons discussed earlier, but for the sake of transparency (and because I feel very strange not doing it), I'll at least throw out my lock reads as far as today's lynch is considered.

Would not lynch today
Cuthalion
fluff
Keldeo
Miner
tom

I think that's where I'm at. Everyone else is in some form of variation thereafter, so I won't reveal that for now.

 

Osie where exactly am I trying to pocket you? I basically hadn't interacted with you at all before this morning?

 

Oh, Grapefruit, my bad. I should have been clearer. My tiers are not ordered within tiers, just across them. They're alphabetical otherwise. I'll change that back later, but for now I'm trying to focus more on sorting across tiers.

 

Still didn't really answer my question-- what made you a)say grape was wolfy for pushing tom, b)associate the two w/v, c) vote tom, and d) completely shut up about tom today while going back to the grape read?
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I really appreciated them being alphabetical, it made the orderly part of my mind happy.

 

Osi's engagement level has been relatively low for them prior to today, but they also have plenty of reason to be focusing on other priorities. Their reasoning is always baffling as they make logical leaps and bounds and jokey references that nobody gets. They'll probably hate that I'm saying this, but they seem to think that they are funnier than they actually are.

@tom - <3 <3 <3