Cool!

Vote: Cuthalion
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@Fluffiness I'm here if you need anything.
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I just want to say I'm sorry Cuth because you were very villagery but this is serious CFTWR energy (and if I'm being honest it probably was bad reasoning but it helped get me there).

 

Where is everyone?
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Ah hi grape.

 

So Fluff as you know Cuth is very comfortable using unconventional last minute voting strategies (see Nebula in MCU) so him coming up with the actually so insane it's awesome plan of having Waco last minute unvote seems entirely possible. Even if the plan was for him to vote and grab the credit. It's possible the whole thing was a miscommunication as well but Cuth has the guile to try and pull something like that off.
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Yeah my timezone isn't ideal but I'm around now and will be here through EoD.

 

Ugh, decisions. I hate making decisions.

 

@Fluffiness

Grape is continuing to insist that I would have purposefully come up with a strategy where I'd have to get an extra lynch to win, as a wolf, on purpose, based on the team strategy we played in MCU where I basically outed to keep you alive, which meant we'd need to get fewer lynches to win.
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And then when I'm naturally a bit tilted by someone literally accusing me of gamethrowing he says I'm just mad because cftwr. There's no way he really believes this, he's just desperately trying to persuade you to paranoia-lynch me.

 

I mean based on your reaction I'm very open to it having been accidental. But the basic point is it wasn't as clearing as Cuth has been claiming.
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@Fluffiness to me once I decided the vote wasn't clearing the most indicative part of Cuth's ISO was his posts right after Miner shot Rhand. Miner had said that the team was either Rhand/Keld or Waco/Sloth and Rhand was pushing the Waco/Sloth pairing as well.

 

Your story has changed, like, four times.
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What, the bit where I insisted we lynch Sloth despite that not at all being a general consensus?

 

Here was Cuth's preflip reads list.

Then here is his first bunch of posts after Miner's shot. His view just doesn't change. There isn't any reevaluation. His top scum read flipping town doesn't phaze him at all. He also randomly starts shading me for something that isn't impacted by the flip when he was town reading me beforehand (see the wall).

 

Grape has done nothing but push villagers and read wolves town all game.

 

That is not factual at all. Sloth was pretty much the consensus at that stage. There was some wavering when he made a wall against Keldeo but before that he was absolutely the consensus choice and pegged as buddies with Waco.

As for my pushing villagers and town reading wolves, it's because I'm actually not good at this game. But I'm pushing a wolf now!

 

Yes, and I explained it at the time. I sort the game by who's most villagery. The PoE at that point was <waco/sloth/rhand/serabalt/grape>, and I wasn't going to consider anyone outside of the PoE unless there was good reason to based on flips. Rhand's being cleared v meant sloth was very probably w, but not that much beyond that. I don't see why you think that shot would change my reads much-- it did very little to shift anyone else's poe in the game at the time.

 

That last quote in particular is telling. It isn't a consistent town thought of someone who supposedly drove the wagon on Sloth despite town disinterest. He talks about needing to solve Sloth/Rhand after Rhand has just flipped town. He talks about them being a dichotomy but had them as his two top scum reads. And basically doesn't blink when Rhand flips town.

 

No, it really wasn't. The flip landed, M+ made his always wolf comment, cobalt piggybacked, and then I came in. M+ then walked back, and keldeo and others weren't really taking stances on the issue, M+ wanted a counterwagon, I was literally arguing with people that sloth should always be the lynch there, and i only switched off, to waco, at the end because M+ thought he was more likely a wolf and it made sense from a worlds perspective.
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Also what "shading"? I was arguing that given how outspoken Miner was about you being his top wolfread that giving you the gun would still be pretty safe, and in fact safer for you than for the other people (keld/sera) in his poe, because there's always wine.
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You make it sound like everyone's PoEs were just shifting around except for me, but that definitely wasn't the case for basically anyone, the general outlook on the game was about the same afterwards as it was before.

 

Here is something Cuth never really keep up as a read. This got dropped like a hot potato once Waco and Sloth flipped.

And what I was looking for. Evidence of other people driving the Waco/Sloth wagon.

 

You're just being straight up slimy about what happened. This is something that came up several times in thread. M+/Keld/I agreed, as a group, when we were building teams around various people, on several alignments/unalignments (keldeo originally brought that one up i think), and then i cited it later in that post, keldeo asked about it, we realized none of us could remember why we'd made that read.

 

Leaving aside the sheer pointlessness of just quoting random readslists, rhand then said I was lock clear from the EoD.

 

Can each of you make a concise case as to why the other is scum?

 

You can't just say "omg because this villager read this other villager w on d3 he's obviously a wolf" and then say "i think this is not clearing when literally every flipped villager including that one i was citing said it was".

 

Lazy votal:

Cuth (1): Grape
Grape (1): Cuth

Abstaining: Fluff

You have about an hour.